PB as bad as people say?

When ever I mention PBs in game around 5 people instantly tell me to avoid and instead roll a WS because apparently they're PBs except better. Did the PB buffs fix anything at all? Or am I just going to end up with a lame WS?

I like PB. Very high AoE damage in nova form, high burst single target damage in human form, excellent survivability with three separate self-heals (one in human, one in dwarf, and a dull pain clone) and dwarf form. They also get a really fast uninterruptible heal other which always surprises me with its effectiveness.

Obviously WS has its perks as well, but I suspect many people who complain about PB are expecting human-form blasting to give them satisfaction, which it will not. In my mind, the main argument for WS over PB is for the -res debuffs it provides (and free recall friend), but I always have a soft spot in my heart for PB.

Peacebringers were perfectly playable even before the changes, but they weren't easy. Warshades, other than the forms, are completely different and shouldn't be compared that way.

ok so what did the change do? What's this perma light form I hear about

I'm no min maxer but I couldn't stand PBs, I found them so weak, but I kept trying them.

After the buffs I actually like mine now. Sure to min max you'll need an expensive build and you won't farm or devastate tons of mobs like a WS, but I find the playstyle very fun - even on SOs she feels very damaging especially with the Inner Light power. It's like a blapper with shields and heals, or a scrapper with ranged attacks but no mez protection (since I don't have Light form yet).

I think WS are easier to get right because they've been able to perma eclipse for longer. There has been more practise and experience shared on them.

With PBs perma light form is more recent and perhaps more needs to be looked at under the hood now so to speak. I have no doubt that someone will make a PB their main, purpling it out and proving all the haters they're wrong. If the hate is cos of KB then I suggest upping the setting, I can be literally wondering "what KB?"

As mentioned already, if you spend enough to get Lightform and Inner Light perma (and throw in some SL defense; it works wonders), PBs can really do it these days.

I always set my missions to +8 and just roll whatever comes up, not cherrypicking missions. Any build that can't roll thru these doesn't get to solo. My PB can now solo the same missions that my brute, scrapper and MM can. Her AoE, while not exceedingly high, is awesome because she has so much of it, and of course ST damage has always been good for PBs.

Again, this advice is for expensive endgame builds (mine cost billions), and going Human Only is more effective for these types of builds. With Perma Lightform you are more survivable than Dwarf (and moreso than any Scrapper or Brute I've ever played) and you can beat out Nove for ST and AoE damage. With less expensive builds, the forms and shields are still quite valuable.

Before Light Form was made perma I played by Peacebringer (human form) 1 to 50 as my main and completely IO'd her out. Anyone that says playing PB's is bad is either retarded or only likes playing easy to use characters such as Dominators. I've been told a couple times that I have the best Peacebringer build people have seen. That makes me feel good considering how many people have negative feelings towards Peacebringers. They are effective in any team AND with Cosmic Balance you are always receiving a buff of some kind to make you even better.

If you know how to play a Blaster or Scrapper then you can play a Beastbringer. My PB has perma Light Form, Inner Light, and Restore Essence, and is a complete monster. She had perma RS before the change so that made it nice having capped HP, but the changes just made PBs even more powerful than they already are.

As for KB, I love it and have always loved it. Pop some +rech procs in your powers and you could potential cap your recharge without any buffs. I love Warshades too, played two of them human form only, but ended up deleted each one post-40. You can't compare them at all, but if I were to compare them I would roll a Peacebringer each and every time. That being said I still think Eclipse is the best tier 9 power on the game and has been for a long long time, but the LF timer shorten puts it on par if not ahead of even the mighty Eclipse now.

Any one got any numbers on Perma light form? Like how much slotting do I need and how much global rec do I need to perma it?

I have perma lightform, inner light and essence boost with 178.5% global.

We should probably "sticky" this thread, this question is posted at least twice a week

To the original poster, I don't really have a clear answer. They're not as bad as their rap, and do solo relatively well at high level, but they're a pain to level and definitely still below par regarding what most other ATs can offer to a team. To make things worse, general perception counts as much as actual live performance, and Peacebringers' reputation has been in the gutter ever since they went live back in pre-history.

A little buff to lightform and innerlight won't change most players' minds, and you'll still come across "ITF speed run forming, no stalkers or PBs, please!" being broadcasted every night. While you can just say to yourself, "these guys are idiots and I'm better off not teaming with them anyway!", the fact remains that they're still having fun and you're left alone playing by yourself. Numbers alone don't warrant rolling a PB under these conditions.

Their concept, however, is awesome, playing the avatar of a benevolent cosmic entity with access to a unique storyline, and that alone should be reason enough to try a PB

late game:
WS mesh better with the incarnate and inventions system due to recharge bonuses. Though I would argue that you could be just as effective on a PB with +dmg and +res bonuses, since PB really don't need to stack recharge.

mid game:
they are pretty much the same.

early game:
PBs are better but doesn't really matter since Nova form is identical and most players use that while lvling.

really comes down to if you play aggressively or defensively. WS peak higher because of the foe requirement but do so at great risk of death. PBs are simply consistent and self-reliant.