Shield Defense fixed to be able to use two handed weapons?

There's unrealistic but cool, unrealistic but necessary and then there's unrealistic and stupid.

Shields and 2H weapons does not fit into the first two categories.

Don't even go into the whole bull of well it doesn't make sense. News flash 99% of stuff in this game doesn't make any sense. Traversing multiple dimensions, fighting off demons, killing warewolves, shooting fire from your appendages, but having a Katana and a shield doesn't make any sense? Yeah okay, I have the brooklyn bridge to sell you, want to buy it?

And pulling a bow staff, war mace, broadsword, giant sword from your butt doesn't look stupid either?

The bottom line is that people who say it shouldn't happen is because they say it looks unrealistic but other than that there is no other reason why it can't or shouldn't happen. You can wield a shield and a spear with two hands. So eliminate that argument and none of you have anything to stand on, because you can't say something is unrealistic where humans can fly unaided, bend time and space, leap 300ft, or anything else associated with being a super hero. Once you've broken physics countless times, little things like hold a katana and a shield become trivial issues.

This for me. Shields is a very fun defensive set, but is limiting in concepts with restrictions and actually having to have a shield on your arm.

Crazy considering there is a power in the set named phalanx fighting, and we are always in tight formation whilst tanking and spanking.

In tight formation my Titan weapon, or even my katana would rip the **** out of everyone around me shield or no shield. Assuming of course I am not lying dead in a scorched heap of charred bones because someone rained fire down on our tight formation. Again, this drawing the line between reality and fiction is ridiculous. Stating that two handed weapons used with shields is unrealistic is assinine in a super hero game.

This is my point. I am willing to look a little silly in exchange for complete badassery. IMO it will look no less silly than pulling a shield out of my *** and not actually hiding behind it when under fire, it just magically defends you 360 degree's while staying immobile attached to your arm.

To repeat Santorican, that is your opinion. IMO, using my Titan weapon as my shield would be awesome, or ballistically throwing my spines scrapper into the middle of a spawn would make me smile every single time. I will grant you, claws would look silly, but frankly, they already look silly and it changes nothing.

If you don't think a spines scrapper shield charging a spawn as a prickly cannonball doesn't look cool, I don't see how we can be friends. That is of course assuming you like spines, because most folks seem to think they look stupid and nonsensical all on their own.

Since the shield itself is mostly cosmetic, it doesn't really matter. I like the mechanics of the shield set, but think it would possibly been better if named something else, been able to pair with everything, and have the shield as a costume option on any toon that wanted it. Of course understanding that that is not even remotely possible, I am fine with looking a little ridiculous having a shield strapped to my arm while shredding mobs with my spines.

That was Castle's and BaB's thoughts on why shield shouldn't be implemented, there are new devs now. If there is enough demand they will do it.

And wielding an 800lb+ sword doesn't look stupid and nonsensical? What kool-aid are you drinking?

fixed?

What is there to fix?

It is already is a two-handed set.

shield in one hand, weapon in the other.

There may be a mechanical reason it can't happen. It could be that the game doesn't properly allow for two objects to occupy the same point of attachment on a character and dual weapons, thus far the existing two-handed melee weapons, and shields all occupy the left-handed slot.

Then again, it could just be that the devs randomly hate clipping.

There are clear mechanical issues with having two weapons attached to the same node and it would take some rather extensive alterations to the character models to change this; the Devs have been clear on this in the past.

Honestly it doesn't matter since Santorican wants what he wants and no reason against it is acceptable. The inanity of the thread's premise that Shield Defense is broken simply because he's not getting what he wants and every response made since then has made that much apparent. *shrug* Maybe some day the Devs might reconsider and alter the basic character models to accommodate this wish. If Santorican wants to hold his breath until it happens i will support his efforts 100%.

meh. TW/DA, on the other hand....

The devs also said that power sets could never be colored, or different animations for powers were not possible or different skeletons were nigh impossible to make. Yeah...

I understand there is a mechanical issue which is why I'm asking for it to be changed. The developers have said that a lot of things were not possible in the passed but we have them now.

I'm refuting the fact that people are basing their opinion as a valid argument which it isn't. Because looks are in the eye of the beholder. There are NO other valid arguments to make. All I'm going to say is

cause you can't beat me

You couldn't make them fast enough

Beat you at what, pray tell

Would you prefere they just appeared in your hand, at which point you'd complain that they just appear out of no where.

Really, with the draw animations, it's not that hard to use a bit of imagination.

Agreed.

Not that I don't think a Bubble Shield defense set wouldn't likely hinder some people's concepts. But it's a fun defense set to use, but it can't be paired with every offensive set, and yes, it does require you to basically have a shield.

The bubble would be a bit more forgiving with concepts.

Just want to point out that there has been very close to zero things that the devs have said are not possible. Everything is possible. Feasible is a completely different concept, and one that the devs constantly talk about regarding big changes, like the one you are talking about. Feasibility, practicality, and how much time would require the change to be made - these are all three stacked against you.

Btw, your title is wrong..."fixed" generally indicates something is broken; Shield was designed that way specifically...thus is not broken.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

No, they never said that power sets could never be colored and they also never said different animations for powers were not possible.

They have said that items such as these would involve a lot of work and/or a lot of man-hours. They've said that those things were unlikely to happen with the current development stages (at that time) or staffing (also at that time). That means they weren't feasible or a practical use of resources.

They've also told us that different skeletons were possible but not likely for much the same reason.

Please stop spreading the same false rumors that have plagued this game for so long.

At the internet, apparently.

At this debate

Doesn't change the fact that it still looks bad. Where is my sheath or quiver?

They have said many thing were not possible without a lot of work. BaBs even said that he wanted Shields to work with Katana, Spines, Claws, etc... but he couldn't get it to work because of it needing a lot of work that wasn't feasible at the time.

Read the above post. How many years had people been asking to color their powers but the developers kept saying that it wasn't possible due to mechanics with the game engine and that it would require a lot of work but it did happen.

I want to reiterate: there is pretty much NOTHING that the devs have said "isn't possible". And yet you keep saying that "X thing" or "Y thing" was said to be not possible.

The devs never said power customization wasn't possible - the devs repeatedly said that it would take too much work (and at the same time saying they'd love it to happen). Feasibility was near nothing - during the time they kept saying that it was too much work, they had FIFTEEN people working on the game. When they actually started working on it, they stopped talking about it in public (March 2008's FAQ from BAB). If you research posts about power customization, there's actually a little over a year where pretty much no comment was made on power customization by a developer... And then they said power customization was coming with Issue 16 (announced in July 2009).

Pretty much anything that the forum populace believes to be "not possible" has actually never been explicitly stated as not possible by the development team. The only thing I can think of that is so far beyond feasible as to approach "not possible" is running/grappling up vertical surfaces. And that's because it would require a complete rewrite of pretty much the entire game, not just a subset of functions. Might as well nix that and wait for CoH2 on that one.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.