Should Travel Powers be Inherent?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-11-03 05:22 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The wings flap during the fall portion of Beast Jump, so if you've got bat wings or cherub wings, it's kind of cute because it looks like you're trying your best to keep flying, but the wing just aren't up to the task.
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Originally Posted by Willowpaw
Yes. Some people still use Fly: It would also look rather odd for these characters to be zipping about everywhere with Ninja or Beast Run, and since they have these lovely wings, they don't need the Rocket Board or Raptor Pack after level 6 (or 4 or whenever the travel power opens up now).
I'm guessing that those who never ever ever take Fly also then never ever ever use any of the wings in the costume creator? |
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Actually I misunderstood you. I thought we were talking about build options being removed from the game. So yes, my suggestion would mean that one qualifying selection would grant you access to all options.
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Originally Posted by Liquid
It's a little more than that-- let's say you want a character with Fly, and you want both Burnout and Afterburner.
Well, currently, you'd need to take 3 powers in the Flight pool (Flight, one other, and Afterburner), and 3 powers in the speed pool (two powers + Burnout). That's 6 powers, and that means you've got 3 powers you didn't specifically want, meaning you likely had to sacrifice other choices to get them. But with your suggestion, you can take just Flight, Afterburner, and Burnout without sacrificing 3 other power choices to get there. |
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Jagged Reged: 23/01/04
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Would accept that you are rather unusual then? |
Originally Posted by rsclark
You would be wrong. If I do choose a travel power, it is at level 49 and used as a mule for winter's gift slow resist on melee characters.
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Jagged Reged: 23/01/04
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I have no data on which to base that.|
Originally Posted by Jagged
Would accept that you are rather unusual then?
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With the exception of SS for the stealth and teleport for Stone tanks/brutes, travel powers are essentially vanity powers. Something that looks cool, but does not contribute to effectively playing the game.
Taking a travel power is an opportunity cost with no gain other than "cool", so I would be largely surprised if skipping travel powers was not fairly common among people who care primarily about effectiveness. Add to that "roleplayers" playing the vast array of basically normal people with powers (your batmen and gadgeteers types), and I'd be really surprised if the people taking no travel power was a particular small group.
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What types of travel powers do you use? None of mine have anything to do with pants.
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Travel powers as are, are mostly pants[...]
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I hang out in channels stocked with people who are concerned with performance. I have only ever known any of them to skip travel powers occasionally, usually only when playing powersets which offer travel speed boosts such as Super Reflexes, and usually only then building in ways that maximize speed set bonuses from IOs.|
Originally Posted by rsclark
Taking a travel power is an opportunity cost with no gain other than "cool", so I would be largely surprised if skipping travel powers was not fairly common among people who care primarily about effectiveness. Add to that "roleplayers" playing the vast array of basically normal people with powers (your batmen and gadgeteers types), and I'd be really surprised if the people taking no travel power was a particular small group.
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In my own experience, I find "concept" players more likely to skip them than min/maxers. Getting around fast happens to be a very popular thing people like to maximize, and honest-to-goodness travel powers are the most effective, least conditional, least fidgety way to do so.
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That's what I always said when we were told that. It never made sense to me. I'm pretty sure I originally heard it before Castle's time, meaning it was likely Geko or possibly Statesman that posted it.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Was it a Dev that said this? I've been told in a PM by Castle back in the day that there are no server-side limitations for why Fly is slower than Super Speed, for instance. All travel is done in three dimensions anyways, so there's o way that's a valid response.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
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You're one of the examples I was just posting about. |
Originally Posted by _Cai_
As I'm sure you know since we've teamed before once or twice (heh), I can get a top speed on NR/BR of almost 84mph with much better vertical movement than SS. Being at about the midway point between the capped top speeds of SJ and SS with less vertical movement than SJ and more vertical movement than SS, I feel like that more than makes "true" travel powers obsolete in this case.
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As I recall, that character was a KM/SR Stalker.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Wait, what? Even if there was a server limitation, that response to you makes no sense!
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Originally Posted by Liquid
What's really weird about it was that when the Tier 5 powers were revealed, I pointed out the discrepancy (1 power set gets a power that makes it competitive, speed-wise with the others, and the rest get new utility or combat powers), and asked for Fly's speed cap to just be increased on its own, and for the Flight pool to get a different utility or combat power like the other sets got.
I was given the same server limitation response. |
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I know I'm just some jerk so who cares what I say, but I'd like to take a moment to invisibly point out that rsclark is not in fact alone in skipping travel powers and that earlier in the thread I too posted that I never take travel powers. At least two of us exist so you should stop trying to portray him as completely unique.
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I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but in case it was (at least in part), that wasn't what I was trying to portray. Perhaps you're just being hyperbolic here. You earlier suggested that you thought people who do take travel powers might be a significant minority. I posted an anecdote that I think provides evidence to the contrary. The natural extension of that evidence is not that you are the only one who does so.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
I know I'm just some jerk so who cares what I say, but I'd like to take a moment to invisibly point out that rsclark is not in fact alone in skipping travel powers and that earlier in the thread I too posted that I never take travel powers. At least two of us exist so you should stop trying to portray him as completely unique.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Hmm well if I previously gave the impression that I thought it was weird to take travel powers it was accidental. It seems pretty clear that skipping them is the more niche behavior. It just isn't so niche that one can say it doesn't happen. I was more talking to Jagged, whose pool-reorganization suggestion I find pretty clearly out of bounds of what the devs have done in the past and what they are likely to do in the future.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
I was more talking to Jagged
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Just for the record I originally titled my suggestion as "Silly" but changed it to "Amazing" because "silly" was provocative enough. I am not expecting Positron to appear here and announce its take up and I am not going to start a campaign to get it implemented. Brilliant though it is
Mind you if a suitable "non-super-powered" movement was part of the pool that would make it work for the strict RP crowd and if you are using Ninja Run to min/max then I have no sympathy. Well ... maybe a little
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Jagged Reged: 23/01/04
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I know. It was really bizarre. I wish the thread wasn't gone, so that I could link it.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Wait, what? Even if there was a server limitation, that response to you makes no sense!
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For all the unlikelihood of it ever happening I still think one big pool for all travel powers is the way to go. However perhaps the better solution is to have all the current first tier and second tier powers mixed together as tier one and the rest as tier two. Any two tier one powers grant you access to tier two.
That would allow you to do everything you can do now. To have Hasten, Combat Jump and no "real" travel power. To have Hover and Teleport or Hover, Teleport and Long Range Teleport.
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Jagged Reged: 23/01/04
Yeah, that's always been my thought in response to the idea as well.
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