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There are many reasons, but the main ones are that people want it for thematic reasons, people wanted a type defense based set that was worth playing (this is less so now with EA revamp), and people wanted it because it was originally going to be given to brutes way back when CoV first came out, and when the devs decided to take it out, it rubbed some folks the wrong way.
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Originally Posted by Mint
If brutes got Ice armor would that help brutes at any lvl?
I saw some people talking about them wanting brutes to get ice armor, like it would be very helpful for a brute but I dont see how. How could it be oh so "cool"? hehe  |
Why would the devs not want brutes to have ice armor? Would it give a brute an edge in something?
Back before the changes to fury, Ice armor made getting high levels of fury difficult.
This is no longer true beause you can now build and maintain high fury without being attacked. Most likely, Ice for Brutes is qued for power set proliferation sometime in the future.
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This is only part of the problem. Fury generation would have kept Dark armor out of the running, too. Ice Armor hinders fury generation less than Dark Armor did. The real problem was Ice Melee, and how bad it was back in I6. They took Ice Melee out until it got fixed, and took Ice Armor out as well because of the pairing, and gave Brutes Energy Aura instead.|
Originally Posted by MajorTractor
Back before the changes to fury, Ice armor made getting high levels of fury difficult.
This is no longer true beause you can now build and maintain high fury without being attacked. Most likely, Ice for Brutes is qued for power set proliferation sometime in the future. |
However, now that Ice Melee has been fixed for the most part, the Ice powers would be fine on Brutes.
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Ice armor for brutes just isn't a thematic fit.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Ice armor for brutes just isn't a thematic fit.
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Neither is Fire Blast for Defenders or Broad Sword for Stalkers, ain't nobody care no how.
Proliferate everything.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Ice armor for brutes just isn't a thematic fit.
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In other news, I support ice for brutes. I had a good time with it back in the beta, and I hold out hope that it'll make it live somday.
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yes please. or scrappers. I want an ice melee character, and I can not get a tank past lvl 10 without deleting.
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Ice Armor is just fine for a brute now. Though I do REALLY like the new Energy Armor.|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Ice armor for brutes just isn't a thematic fit.
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Ice melee is still LOL'z.
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In case anyone is actually still worried about Ice's effect on Fury, my Frost Giant brute uses Arctic Mastery and the Cryonic judgement with -rech, and I have so far resisted the urge to delete him in a fit over his uselessness. No, wait, that's not totally accurate - the thought has never even entered my mind, because I have never noticed any difficulty with Fury at all.
I have a character name camped just ready for the day I can make a Super Strength/Ice Armor brute.
I also want Ice Melee/Super Reflexes, tho for that I am not sure if I will be a brute or a scrapper.
The funny thing is that I can make the above as Tankers. I have tanker placeholders for them. But conceptually they need to be higher damage types.
And so the waiting continues ....
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Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon
I have a character name camped just ready for the day I can make a Super Strength/Ice Armor brute.
I also want Ice Melee/Super Reflexes, tho for that I am not sure if I will be a brute or a scrapper. The funny thing is that I can make the above as Tankers. I have tanker placeholders for them. But conceptually they need to be higher damage types. And so the waiting continues .... Lewis |
high damage and Ice melee do not go in the same sentence.
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Single target, yes. But Ice Melee does have quite high aoe damage. Frost and frozen aura are really good aoe powers. Really the only change needed for ice melee is to fix the hideous DPA in GIS, which is currently the most skippable power in the set.
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Originally Posted by Ice_Ember
high damage and Ice melee do not go in the same sentence.
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GIS and Frozen Fists are weak.|
Originally Posted by Death_Adder
Single target, yes. But Ice Melee does have quite high aoe damage. Frost and frozen aura are really good aoe powers. Really the only change needed for ice melee is to fix the hideous DPA in GIS, which is currently the most skippable power in the set.
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Frost would be nice as a PBAoE instead of a cone.
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Frozen Fists is fine in terms of damage, it just needs some animation tweaks as well. It currently does the same damage as a lot of other Tier 1 powers, it just animates 0.5 - 0.3 seconds slower than it should for that damage scale.|
Originally Posted by Ice_Ember
GIS and Frozen Fists are weak.
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GIS needs some significant help.
Frost is fine as it is, as long as you learn how to use it well. It does more damage than some similar cones, and less than some others. For instance, it does more than Jacob's Ladder, but less than Shadow Maul (which gets bonus damage). It does only slightly less than Breath of Fire, but has a much greater arc to it.
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He's doing his usual Stalker trolling; One of Synapse' arguments as to why Stalkers aren't getting Titan Weapons at launch was that it wasn't a good fit thematically, so now he seems to be posting this kind of nonsense in any thread discussing other melee ATs.
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Please tell me you're joking.
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How about this: "Are you HIGH -- damage is not a strength of Ice Melee!"|
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That's Test_Rat's point.
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Originally Posted by Silas
Neither is Fire Blast for Defenders or Broad Sword for Stalkers, ain't nobody care no how.
Proliferate everything. |
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Originally Posted by Silas
Neither is Fire Blast for Defenders or Broad Sword for Stalkers, ain't nobody care no how.
Proliferate everything. |
No that is not how the devs think. Even though they did state in a Ustream
all future sets would be pre-proliferated: They aren't porting titan weapons to stalkers because it doesn't make sense in regard to the "subtle" stalker playstyle.
Ice WAS ported to stalkers so that means its a subtle set, and brutes are anything BUT subtle (I never heard of energy Aura LOLZ).
If you want to play ice Play it on a Stalker where it makes thematic sense.
Nothing says subtle like a guy covered in huge blocks of ice.
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I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
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Are you still going on about that? That line was pure fluff. The real reason was that they a) didn't have time to create an assassin's strike animation for it (or had no inclination to, if you prefer your buttered toast face down), and b) couldn't decide what would get dropped for said AS.
Yeah, it sucks that TW wasn't ported but there are extra considerations when porting to stalker.
edit: On topic I really dislike the way Ice plays, but if my brutey brethren really want another sub-par defense set I'm not opposed to the idea. Might as well grab ninjitsu at the same time. Replace hide with a high pain threshold clone and call it a day. That or move it to later in the tree (bump the heal down) and make it a cloak of darkness or energy cloak clone.
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If brutes got Ice armor would that help brutes at any lvl?
I saw some people talking about them wanting brutes to get ice armor, like it would be very helpful for a brute but I dont see how. How could it be oh so "cool"? hehe