Any Word On Poison getting Fixed?

Not many sets can offer protection against an AV. I don't think that is a bench mark to gauge Poison on.

But looking at other sets, (Sonic Resonance, Trick Arrow, and Force Fields) Poison has a lot less throw away powers from my view.

Poison's -regen needs to be bumped up though if the devs view that the signature debuff of the set.

I can get behind increasing the -regen.

I could have sworn /Poison's -regen used to be 500%?

I must have remembered it wrong.

They can add -regen in Poison's Poison Trap (and for our sake, please change the name!).

I found out that Controller's Power Boost effect is so much stronger than Mastermind's Power Boost. Mids shows 122% while MM's version is only 65%.

So if PB affects -damage, this means that Controller's Benumb (50% damage debuff) with PB = 50% + 61% = 111% damage debuff?

Weaken's 30% would be 66.6% damage debuff?

It sounds too high, doesn't it?

And also, does it mean Power Boost can improve Thermal's Forge? 40% Damage Buff becomes 88.8% Damage Buff for 120s duration?

And improve Temporal Selection's +regen and +recharge?

If so, that looks very sick.

I read this part "It works with +/- damage powers (including Benumb and Weaken)" so I thought you meant +damage %.

Does PB affect Temporal Selection's +30% recharge?


Sorry if I sound so confused because I thought you mentioned PB improving Weaken. If it doesn't improve the -Damage part, then what's so good about PB + Weaken? The Tohit debuff part?

And I thought +Regen is just the same as +healing. I am pretty sure PB affects healing powers, so why won't it improve Temporal Selection's 150% regen?

I've got Codewalker in Skype and it's looking like Weaken's strength debuffs to mez and Defense should be affected by Power Boost. When he gets home, we're gonna try it out.

EDIT:
Forgot I can test on a free account. Please hold.

Awesome, I thought it didn't affect the -Dmg but I didn't want to bring it up in an argument in resk of being wrong :P Ty Codewalker for the info!

Alright, Codewalker and I worked out a scenario where we could test this.

The first problem is that you can't directly view what your strength attributes are to mezzes, heals, Defense and the like, so we can only gague their existence indirectly. To do so, I created a Force Field Defender (and named it "For SCIENCE") because Personal Force Field is the biggest Defense boost you can get at level 1. This character was entered into the Arena.

I also took a Poison Mastermind I had laying around and spuc up its third build with Weaken and Power Boost (from Mace Mastery). This was entered into the arena as well.

First, I did a control toggle of Personal Force Field:



The power grants 75% Defense in PvE, and in PvP it's... 19.97%. What the hucking fell, Castle? But that's beside the point. Point is, the control sample for Defense is 19.97%

Next, I pelted For SCIENCE with Weaken prior to toggling on PFF:



This is... um... a -24.7% debuff, net, after diminishing returns kicks in. Weaken in PvE is -75%, but PvP math sucks monkey balls because apparently Castle called in sick that day and the only powers designer available was a goldfish that someone pulled from the aquarium and allowed to flop around on the keyboard.

Still, the fact of the matter is, Weaken lessened the amount of Defense granted by PFF.

The logical next step was to launch a Power Boosted Weaken at For SCIENCE and see what happened:



Power Boost is a 65.56% buff to Defense strength mods, which were -75% to start with, which means this should have been a good ol' -124.17% strength to Defense, which against a power that grants 75% from the outset would be a, uh... either a 33.4% boost if I did that right, or a -18.1% Defense *debuff* on self for casting the power? I'm really not sure HOW that works.

Still, what we're left with is a value that's even less than the one without Power Boost, so we're totally certain at this point that Weaken is in fact buffed by Power Boost, at least when it comes to Defense strength mods. It should also work for other strength mods such as healing, ToHit and mez, but NOT the damage strength mod, since Power Boost doesn't affect that.

deriving numbers from a pvp environment with DR is far more complicated than what you're showing.

you should turn DR off in the arena next time if you want more predictable numbers that are more akin to what would happen in a pve situation.

also, note that you should be wary of testing any -def buffs on anything that has resists to debuffs (a forcefielder doesn't, so you're good) or any resist debuffs at all in the arena (stupid base resists create some odd results).

Poison as it stands is nice.
It is never as effective as for example radiation which adds a huge toolbox. So is time. Or cold. Or Kin. Or traps. Or Dark. It adds no status protection to yourself. No selfheal, no selfbuff.
But what rly upsets is the fact, that as a single target oriented character you just dont have the right tool to support your team effectivly against hard mobs / aka AVS GMS etc.
And as it would fit the theme better than any other set out there:


Give poison (in weaken or envenom) the -regen value it deserves.

It cant be that other supportoptions grant more for the team on single and on massfights, whereas poison just shines at fighting bosses.

And if you are at it: Give alkaloid the rezanimation and make it pbaoe (hmmm...i can dream ...cant I?)

Final statement: Make posion a viable option for even the numberboys, not just the /puke animation lovers (in fact that is where you find me...a puke lover).

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Poison isn't a bad set, it's just a set with all the wrong caveats. A recharge-based debuff set that doesn't stack. A focused debuff set that is resisted in singular focused battles against high-rank foes. A set with low mitigation buff OR debuff, with low control.

The control part is partly taken care of, especially with a functioning trap that can be easily set up. I still think it needs better endurance draining.

The debuff mitigation/boss fights can both be taken care of easily. Make Weaken's -dam/-tohit stack, allowing it to bring progressively greater safety through weakening a foe's offense. Seems to fit the part darned nicely. There's presedent too, look at kinetics with a fast stacking -dam in power siphon, here you are doing much the same, but with a -tohit instead of a +dam.

Envenom is supposed to be the 'make a foe vulnerable' power, but it isn't. In most cases- one shot, bam, that's as vulnerable as they will be. You can sorta-stack with the splash, but I'm going to go back to kinetics again. Siphon speed- an unresistable -speed. Let's use the same on the ST part of envenom's -def, making it an unresistable -def in PvE. I would like the -resistance to be unresistable, but if that can't happen, I'd settle for 25% stackable. Better -regen? I'd prefer unresistable PvE -regen. Forget about getting big enough -regen to cheat past AV/GM resistance, keep the moderate levels but let them fully apply. Poison has fewer/more focused tools, so making this count helps it in big fights.

...Oh, and make masterminds' noxious gas permanent for pete's sake.

There! A slowly sapping patch control power, one damage mitigating debuff that can increase in effectiveness according to fight length, one big offense enabling debuff, and a bit more parity in the tier 9's. Not difficult.

They fear the Poison!