Any Word On Poison getting Fixed?

That's good news about Venemous Gas. Unfortunately, I play a few beam characters now (yes I am that crazy) and it just may not suit the character.

Wait a second... I just rechecked the numbers. Apparently Venemous gas is... 70 Feet? Is this true? This -could- make it worth while?

I still think trap is buggered and apparently not handled by the patch in any way.

For the sake of this thread, I re-slotted Poison Trap and could not see any appreciable difference with any enhancements in it. Honest, I could not tell the difference.

I started to think perhaps I am placing poison trap too far from my enemies/fight area... but unfortunately at higher levels AOE's wack the device almost instaneously.... It's useless. I don't mean to be derogatory but if Poison Trap is working as intended, it isn't very useful... expecially for a Tier 8.

Unfortunately I am running out of Vet-specs.

I am going to post my build for 21.5.... see what you guys think.

Ah crap... there goes that idea. lol

What was I thinking...? It is actually 15 feet.

On the poison trap, how do you use it? I find I seem to place it too far and it has no effect, or it is too close the action and it gets destroyed almost instantly.

Yeah like Brick said...I also like to just lay two down for good measure and aggro the mob then run to where the trap is...but I have to /Trap toons so I'm kinda set in my ways.

It's ok Brick, I hope they fix the power!

I do think it's funny that the posters that were making fun of Elektro for bringing up the bugs are now silent.

In a good team you really are rolling every spawn in a matter of seconds so unless the buff/debuff set contributes to this then it's .. well... not what makes the team good.

Why spend almost 3 seconds breathing on people when they are practically dead by the time the animation is over?

The best sets either prebuff everyone so they don't waste time in combat doing their business or they have one or two "go to" moves that affect wide areas with considerable power behind them. Poison was once considered the "AV killer" but the other sets are very proficient at this anyway and AVs are even more soloable nowadays than ever before.

the sad part here, is that Poison has been improved, and many of the same problems people have mentioned since it has been ported, was even worse when it was MM only.
Here's what I would like to see,
1) Its heal converted into a aura heal
2) its tier 2 & 3 debuffs cones' increased as to hit more foes, or made it into targeted AE debuffs
3) Poison trap made identical to Traps
4) its tier 9 made into a location based AE with a decent recharge

What i would like them to do, and what i feel would make the set a lot more playable, is this:

Alkaloid: Put something extra here. Either make it a decent heal, give it splash aoe, or give it regen resistence and some other minor buff, like a minor +rech

Envenom: increase radius to match venomous gas

Weaken: increase radius to match venomous gas, increase -dam and -tohit values

Neurotoxic Breath: Make it be able to stack OR add a minor-moderate toxic DoT

Antidote: possibly change into a PBAOE status resistence buff?
Cool idea popped into my head:
combine anditode and alkaloid into a pbaoe aura:
Neutralizing Vapors: Gives +regen, res to status effects, res to -regen, possible add in the resistences that alkaloid and antidote offer

Paralytic poison: add -regen -recov

Poison trap: copy it from traps....

Venomous gas: make debuffs linger for 10 secs

I think Poison is the most complicated set to create and get everyone behind. Storm is a set that wasn't fully respected for a good while and then not fully understood for a good while longer. Certainly the -range in hurricane was underestimated, ignored and so under utilised when a lot of late game issues was easily sorted with it and other powers complimentary to it. Every attribute has to be taken into account or set that doesn't help in certain situations at first look won't ever help.

I've got 3 of these Poisons so my perspective is not too one sided but to fully understand the set is going to take time. From that I think if you buff it after the new changes, it has to be carefully done. Like with Sonic Resonance you can't quite give Defenders or Corrupters exactly what might be needed because you overpower Controllers. Before considering changes all ATs have to be taken into account.

With each AT there is a design concept. This set is built around a design intent. We either play to it or we don't. Play completely wrong and yes it needs the most buffs, find the right playstyle and build to help perform in it, still there might be issues in places, take into account PvP and maybe needs a slight buff thats complicated to nail. I was troubled by the set initially, the trouble I had with it is what's being fixed. Now for me the sense of urgency when it comes to fixes is elsewhere.

What might be an idea is try to replicate accurately a problem from ingame into peoples minds. People can come together to solve them or duplicate the situation ingame to see how shocking it is. By solving we might see the play intent, by being shocked we might see where a problem lies and maybe come up with multiple ways to fix it.

Teams steam rolling content might make any set feel useless, except those buffing away with shields perhaps but even with one debuff thrown in you're part of the equation. I've had it with TA, but I knew the team was faster as result of what little I did. With only so much fight duration everyone has to fit their cast times in that small timespan, so we as a team were all doing equally as little. Ofc any excessive cast times would have to be fixed but what is excessive compared to everyother set and would it in a pvp environment be OP if lowered?

I don't want to quite dismiss PvP but at the same time, I don't think PvP presents near the concern it used to. If it is that big a concern than a bigger solution might be to have AT's behave differently between PvP and PvE. Otherwise balance is just too difficult to achieve.

I'll offer my 2 INF, bearing in mind that my experience is with my plant/poison controller, which I've now played to 50+3 into the incarnate materials - not as a corruptor.

I use poison trap and venomous gas differently as a controller, but they work for me now AS IS.. when these finally get fixed and will take procs, they'll be truely fantastic.

Poison trap for me right now is 6-slotted with various IOs (no sets or procs) to improve hold duration and recharge. It now recharges around every 30 seconds, so I use it often - usually on Nemesis that resist my seeds of confusion. The hold isn't very long, but certainly long enough for my AOEs to finish off pretty much all of the spawns. Combined with Vines (when that's up), I'm locking down a team of bosses (on incarnate trials, not all bosses, but certainly a few) with a decent frequency. I've read that the chance to hold on poison trap isn't good, but it seems to be hitting with a far better frequency than it should. Usually, ALL minions are held by it.

As for venomos gas, it's currently slotted for endurance reduction (which seems to work), an anchillies proc and a lady Grey damage proc. I don't think either of the procs are working on this power. I'm just keeping them there in anticipation of a fix. If I were slot starved though, I'd just keep a single endurance reduction IO in there, as even the base debuff is really good.

What I haven't checked yet is whether the debuffs from weaken or envenom stack as I spam these on an AV/EB. I just got a Power Analyzer Mk III and will check this out. I haven't done so yet as plant/poison was just so much fun and didn't feel the immediate need to worry about this.

That's my 2 INF.

I am still underwhelmed by Poison. Storm is a better debuffing set and more fun to play. Even with a pet that doesnt move and a pet that is insane. I find storm more useful on teams and solo. Poison is more fun than Dark Miasma to me though, so maybe my opinion is skewed.

Ice Ember

This thread has several comments about the end drain in poison trap being minimal. I can not find on at all. My level 35 elec/poison dropd a poision trap at the feet of a held minion then monitored the mobs endurance. No drop in end throughout the duration of the gas cloud. Also if I drained the Mob of some end with an elec/ power, there seems to no -recovery as stated in poisin traps description.

So... what got fixed?

I have been playing other toons lately. Poison got on my nerves, and the one Poison toon I have that I do like... I respeced to take almost all Beam powers anyway (aside from the must have poison powers.)

Poison trap-others have posted that procs are now working but I have not tested that myself. I did quickly test the -end. There is still minimal end drain but I think it is a very small chance per city of data so it appears to be WAI. The -100% recovery is working now when I could not detect any -recovery before the patch. I held a +2 minion and put down a Poison trap and sapped some end using short circuit. I did not time it but the mob did not regenerate end for a quite some time (not the entire duraton of the gas cloud but longer than the 10 seconds of -recovery of short circuit). I plan on giving my elec/poison some play time tonight to confirm my findings.