Any Word On Poison getting Fixed?

Nah, Venemous Gas doesn't have a 70-ft radius. More like your basic damage aura, I'd say.

I still say Trap's pretty useful, though I have to admit that the stun procs I mentioned happen only *very* rarely, and I did some checking and what I *thought* were the Lockdown procs were actually native PT holds, so I'm just full of 'I don't know' about that. The stuns definitely do happen, though.

Even so, it holds every non-boss in range (though yeah, it looks like the hold isn't enhanceable, even though endurance, recharge, etc) and periodically applies holds to things after that. Not amazing, and it's no PGT, but definitely a gamechanger for my Corr.

Well, I'm DP, so I'm getting close in to mobs pretty often. Either I jump in the middle and drop the trap, tagging them with VG automatically, or pull around a corner and drop a trap as I go. Then it's just a matter of Envenom/Weaken/HoB/Bullet Rain, and the minions are dead or nearly so. Poison Trap gives me that bit of extra time to apply the debuffs.

While a 70 radius debuff would be OPed and a bit absurd, it's actually weird because Mid's says it has a 70 feet range for some reason. It also says 15 feet radius, but it's understandable that you mistook it because if you pick other auras there's no 'range' value in Mids at least, for example Shadow Fall just lists the radius (40) as Time's Juncture (25), the 'range' field doesn't appear like in Venomous Gas (and wow, Time's Juncture, available at level 4, does a lil more -tohit than VG, also does more -dam and has a much bigger radius - it does slow instead of -res but otherwise they are quite alike since -def is not that useful by the time you get VG especially since Envenom already does massive -def, I don't wanna sound like 'Poison needs love' again but VG with a 25' radius like Time's Juncture would be nice).

1. Too active to be a good Corr or even Controller set. Envenom takes 1.33s and Weaken takes a bit over 2s. Just to cast those two, you already spent over 3s when Freezing Rain and Tar Patch take less than 3s and they debuff a LARGE area. Since the Splash effect radius is small, you may need to re-apply again and again and you do miss too. Both Envenom and Weaken should have innate accuracy bonus IMO.

Mastermind has the time to debuff one by one but the set is terrible for MM because the debuff is not good enough to protect all 6 pets and it costs a lot of endurance.

2. Neurotoxic is an ok aoe control. It just needs to take Hold Sets.

3. Poison hold is slow and has no secondary effect.

4. 3 powers are for ally-only. I honestly don't think people think of /Poison as a "Buff Set" but it has 3 powers that are very "buff/healer" like. Speaking about healing, the green ball travels too slow. It has should have a Splash effect as well.

5. Poison Trap has been improved a lot. The old version is beyond terrible. It used to have 4s casting time, 4s INTERRUPT time and it used to only cause Sleep and some endurance drain. The endurance drain is terrible for Mastermind because none of the pets really drain endurance so there's really nothing to stack with. Endurance Drain is ALL OR NOTHING. You either drain the target dry and keep it that way or don't bother with draining at all.

The current version is ok. I just don't like the constant low DoT damage because those DoT damage do draw aggro to you and DoT messes with Sleep power. I thought about Elec/Poison Troller but the dot ruined it.

6. And lastly, Venomous Gas. It is a neat power but its pbaoe doesn't fit well with Corr who has many cone attacks and lack aoe control to go in. It used to cost A LOT of endurance too. The debuff values are ok. Put -resistance aside, Time's Time Juncture can easily compete with VG. Time Juncture, a tier 3 power, has 25' radius (VG only has 15'), debuff Tohit more and Damage more. Both toggles cost the same endurance. Yes, I do know Time Juncture is more defensive while Venomous Gas is more offensive but VG's radius is smaller and it costs the same endurance. VG should cost less or have larger radius.

7. Visually UNIMPRESSIVE. People probably can't tell what you spit out.


Overall, I am not surprised that people find /Poison subpar. It has always been a very subpar set on MM and its weakness is even more enlarged in Corr who can't handle /Poison's weaknesses.


Oh, one more note, I used to think /Poison has very good -Regen but the numbers just don't add up. I used to think Envenom debuff -Regen by base 500%?? But it is only listed as 50% and 25%? I don't know why two numbers but even if you can stack -regen, it is still weaker than /Cold and /Thermal. So if you plan on soloing AV with /Poison, good luck. You probably have a much better experience with /Cold Domination and /Rad.

One's the half-strength aoe splash.

Yup, maybe 2-3 years ago /Poison was considered a good "AV Killer" but at that time, /Cold Domination wasn't that popular and hadn't got ported to Defender/Controller.

Now the real good AV Killer is /Cold and /Rad.

I also heard that /Poison had one of the best -Regen debuff but I am not seeing it. Is the in-game value wrong? I only see 50% and 25%. And are they even stackable?

Yes, the Splash effect is considered another buff so technically you can stack more debuffs before the splash effect runs out.

You'll have 15% Resistance debuff from Splash and if you use Envenom again on the main target, he'll get another 30% Resistance debuff, which will result in 45%.

/Poison really sounds NICE on paper but I just don't think it's very practical because it's too active and just like some of you said, on a good team, the other sets AoE debuffs will take care of it.

If it is a ST based debuff, will it be a deadly choice on a Mind/Poison/Fire Controller?

I don't know to be honest. It depends on the numbers.

I do know well into my incarnate experience I am actually 'wanted' on teams doing incarnate trials. I turn into debuffer extrodinaire, hitting the AV's/Elite Bosses. Combining my proc loaded debuffs on top of the -reg of Beam Rifle.

It's been refreshing, because to be frank, a lot of low end content doesn't truly help as much as it does in late game. Don't get me wrong it still helps, but you will find if you are on a massive damage team.... the debuffs aren't quite as important, but any level... Recluse, for example, can be an issue.

If the controller numbers are as high, I think it will be a good debuff set for them as well. I'm certainly glad I stuck it out. Again, end game powers still stink bad.