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You do not seem to understand why characters are generic'd. Please read the above thread. There was quite a few interesting points made about copyright and trademark law from people who seemed to know what they are talking about.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Doesn't matter. Changing or adding/subtracting 1 letter isn't going to protect you from getting genericed if petitioned. If a GM decides it's a violation it's gone.
The GM's can also see how many times a player has had to have characters genericed. That way they can deal with repeat offenders with harsher penalties than a simple forced renaming. |
In regards to my original issue, Zerg, it was approved by the GMs as fine. I do not want to do anything to put the game at risk. That is why I petitioned them.
I sincerely doubt Dave Chappelle is going to sue CoH over this. In fact, if I thought I had half a chance of getting a response I would write him about it. But I am sure the whole issue would confuse/bore him if he even read it. However, if he wanted to sue he would not have a case, as my poor understanding of these things stand. You see, he had a character in a skit comedy. This is a super hero. The characters/backstory resemble each other insomuch as they are both portraying individuals with two arms/two legs/one head interacting with other creatures with two arms/two legs/one head. "Buck Nasty" was a term in the urban lexicon long before Mr. Chappelle's writers used it, and the Chappelle show has no inherent right to ban anyone else from ever making a pun on the phrase. Based on my conversation with the senior GM and a careful read of the above thread I will not be petitioning this name. I feel it is a waste of GM time. If you feel the need to I guess you will.
p.s., I have never had a single character gen'd in 4 years in the game. (and I alt a lot)
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No. You don't understand why and how characters get genericed. I'm not going to repeat what has already been said earlier in the thread as you seem determined for whatever reason to maintain the policy doesn't apply to you.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
You do not seem to understand why characters are generic'd. Please read the above thread. There was quite a few interesting points made about copyright and trademark law from people who seemed to know what they are talking about.
In regards to my original issue, Zerg, it was approved by the GMs as fine. I do not want to do anything to put the game at risk. That is why I petitioned them. I sincerely doubt Dave Chappelle is going to sue CoH over this. In fact, if I thought I had half a chance of getting a response I would write him about it. But I am sure the whole issue would confuse/bore him if he even read it. However, if he wanted to sue he would not have a case, as my poor understanding of these things stand. You see, he had a character in a skit comedy. This is a super hero. The characters/backstory resemble each other insomuch as they are both portraying individuals with two arms/two legs/one head interacting with other creatures with two arms/two legs/one head. "Buck Nasty" was a term in the urban lexicon long before Mr. Chappelle's writers used it, and the Chappelle show has no inherent right to ban anyone else from ever making a pun on the phrase. Based on my conversation with the senior GM and a careful read of the above thread I will not be petitioning this name. I feel it is a waste of GM time. If you feel the need to I guess you will. p.s., I have never had a single character gen'd in 4 years in the game. (and I alt a lot) |
Personally I think it's pretty obvious that your just trying to bait people at this point to see what reaction you can get. And no one in this thread is dumb enough to look you up in the game to petition your characters and risk being accused of harassment. There's plenty of well meaning players out there willing to protect the game without anyone in this thread getting involved.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I sincerely doubt Dave Chappelle is going to sue CoH over this. In fact, if I thought I had half a chance of getting a response I would write him about it. But I am sure the whole issue would confuse/bore him if he even read it. However, if he wanted to sue he would not have a case, as my poor understanding of these things stand. You see, he had a character in a skit comedy. This is a super hero.
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"You do not seem to understand why characters are generic'd. Please read the above thread."
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No, but apparently to you it's fine to write a book about a Vampire being interviewed by a reporter and call it "Interrogation With the Vampire".
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I paint, I paint original works. Has something like it never existed before? I wish. I play guitar and make up songs, original stuff. Is most of it based on 12 bar progressions you will find in most western songs in one of the 12 keys? My, yes. I have written a book (unpublished). Is it basically one of the 7 plot lines that exist. Oh, my yes. Worse, it's a vampire novel. (I know, right?)
Do I take one of Picasso's works and paint by number over a copy of it? Hmmm, no. Do I take a Stones song, put it in a different key, change the words and say it's a new work. Hmmm, no. Do I take Ann Rice's novel, change the character names, put it in California, and call it a fresh piece. Nope. |
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No, but MTV Networks ( Who own Comedy Central ) might. Because they're big enough (richards) to do so.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I sincerely doubt Dave Chappelle is going to sue CoH over this.
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How is this relevant? I didn't say that I had your book. Merely that your logic would make what I said okay. WHy not, you know, reply to what's being said rather than putting words into people's mouths.
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In regards to the last four posts. You folks are trolling. Here is a great example.
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Tyger, if you are really trying to make a point , I do not understand it. Your comparison makes no sense. I took a common phrase in the english language. It could have been "Mud flats" Now suppose someone did a sketch about a black blues charafcter from the 1800s called "Mudy Flats" cool. Then, in making my stone Armor Tanker I liked the english phrase "Mud Flats", used it for inspiration, and called my character "Mud Flatner" According to your logic, no matter that I never read the Mudy Flats blues fiction, I am automatically copying some writer's work. Or perhaps you would argue I ripping off Star Trek because Flatner is too close to Shatner? This thread was better off dead.
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You took a common phrase, that happened to be the name of a trademarked character, altered the spelling slightly, and made a character "inspired by" the trademarked character in question. Minor tweaks to the name do not move you from a "copycat" character to an "inspired by" character. Even if there are significant differences in the storyline, giving the character the same name with a slight tweak is absolutely crossing the line of "copycat".
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Tyger, if you are really trying to make a point , I do not understand it. Your comparison makes no sense. I took a common phrase in the english language. It could have been "Mud flats" Now suppose someone did a sketch about a black blues charafcter from the 1800s called "Mudy Flats" cool. Then, in making my stone Armor Tanker I liked the english phrase "Mud Flats", used it for inspiration, and called my character "Mud Flatner" According to your logic, no matter that I never read the Mudy Flats blues fiction, I am automatically copying some writer's work. Or perhaps you would argue I ripping off Star Trek because Flatner is too close to Shatner? This thread was better off dead.
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We can argue about this till the cows come home (since they got taken by aliens), it doesn't matter when it comes to being genericized.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Tyger, if you are really trying to make a point , I do not understand it. Your comparison makes no sense. I took a common phrase in the english language. It could have been "Mud flats" Now suppose someone did a sketch about a black blues charafcter from the 1800s called "Mudy Flats" cool. Then, in making my stone Armor Tanker I liked the english phrase "Mud Flats", used it for inspiration, and called my character "Mud Flatner" According to your logic, no matter that I never read the Mudy Flats blues fiction, I am automatically copying some writer's work. Or perhaps you would argue I ripping off Star Trek because Flatner is too close to Shatner? This thread was better off dead.
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If the GM reviewing an infringement petition thinks it's a trademark infringement, out comes the genericing hammer. If they think the name is risque or drug related, out comes the genericing hammer. All it takes for the process to start is someone objecting to your name, costume, background or even simply taking a disliking to you, to file a petition. Then it's entirely in the GM's court.
The classic example was someone with a character that looked like a giant rooster named Cocksure. The GM considered the name too risque for a Teen rated game. Case closed. It's their sandbox, their rules, their interpretation of their rules. Now you may be able to get it overturned by requesting a ruling from someone further up the GM's food chain or you can prove that you actually own the trademark if you were accused of infringing on (the author Jim Butcher plays his Harry Dresden character in CoH) but I haven't heard it happening often.
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Just to add my few cents on the talking...
I once created a toon with the intention of seeing how fast it would be turned into Generic Nova...
Name wasnt even close to the original (marvel) character.
Costume was a perfect replication.
Powers was perfectly replicated.
Bio was perfectly replicated.
I went normally from 1 to 20. Sometimes someone would recognize the costume, and compliment me on the well done job.
Then, at 20, i decided to add the second costume slot. Did a replication of another of that same character costume. And turned in the Halloween salvage, adding another costume replicated of the same character.
Same results. Some compliments, but as it wasnt a blatant name, and the most Iconic costumes were used only on Task Forces, I got to 30.
Added another costume slot. Yes, another replication costume.
And the same thing happened. Some compliments, no attention.
At 40 I didnt had more costumes of that character that I could replicate with current costume parts, so made a new and original costume...
Got to 50. And got tired of all those replication costumes. I was a total faill on getting generic. Changed a few of the costumes, making new things. Changed the Bio.
And now I have 10 costume slots on that toon, 3 of then replications (2 famous, 1 obscure) and 7 original ones.
I prefer my costumes...
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ARGH! - mebbe i should just go with that, Argh? prob taken. Anyways was just thinking of Erg, or Erg^2 or something like that. Getting frustrating. I ran around with a character called Scourge 23 for 4 months, and he was carrying 5 sets of purples. Are we completely relegated to characters with names like ("Flamezy"-an actual character of mine 4 bill build SS/FA/MU). ("This'll work" - my wife saw this at Fort Mercy, and still suggests it to me from time to time), or ("Black fortuna X1J" - k, I made that one up) in the cities? All the decent names are either way too long, trademarked, copywrote, or were created one time long ago by a player on a dead account that Cox will not delete.
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The GM's can also see how many times a player has had to have characters genericed. That way they can deal with repeat offenders with harsher penalties than a simple forced renaming.