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Would it be nice if there was a true global channel for these sorts of things: yes.|
Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
So we blame the PLAYERS because we only have 1 global channel?
We don't have a LFT channel - which in an MMO should be the FIRST channel we get. The solution you all recommend is private channels? These have size limits correct? Global open has no size limit, nor do you have to seek the approval of the monitors of the channel. The fact that people laugh and have fun in the channel is a GOOD thing, not a bad one. I often answer help questions with tells and that removes the help conversation from general chat. I do this since after one help answer a 45 minute diatribe by someone on the "correct" answer started. You don't see the whole elitist attitude this thread evokes? You would rather delete the tab than help someone. I can say with certainty I never pass a day playing that I have not been able to help someone through this channel. We need a LFT channel and a general channel and then you could say please use Help for help and otherwise go to this channel.........since we don't have these players use what they have. |
However, the Help Channel defaults into the Global tab that includes things I am watching as I play - like NPC dialogue, badges, drops, and other personal game oriented activities. Would I like it if it wasn't cluttered with junk: yes.
It isn't elitist. It is polite.
And yes, as a consequence, when I am on Exalted - or other servers that have this behavior - I remove Help from my Global tab and I miss legimitate help requests that I do help with on servers that get by fine without cluttering the help channel with a terrible signal/noise ratio.
It is easy to find a team, or a trial, or help, or conversation with a few hundred others in a so-called limited channel (or 2 or 3). It is not some horrid drastic thing. Really. It works fine.
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Exalted United? oooh I don't have that one. New Channel. Yay! And 175 online? Not too shabby.|
Originally Posted by Chyll
I made a point of noting the dedicated channels in help one evening, and got jumped on by someone bemoaning the lack of an actual global channel and how stupid it was the other 'globals' were capped at 150. When I pointed out there were 160 in Exalted United at the time it didn't even slow him down.
Ultimately I removed help from all but the help tab (which I never have up). On the plus side, Exalted United was up over 175 within a few minutes after my posts... so maybe I helped some. |
So far, the Channels to use seem to be:
VIP
BMT Exalted
Exalted Events
Global VIP Network
Exalted LFG
Exalted United
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Popped onto Freedom last night and the help channel was full of people having a go at others about their religious beliefs,now I know that this is against the rules but even when someone asked them to stop they just carried on,why are the dev,s not monitoring this as it was petitioned by at least 2 people while I was watching.If I see it again I will report it myself after collecting the names of the offenders.I am not overly religious myself but I do respect other peoples beliefs.I think the Devs do need to monitor the Help channels and stamp on this as soon as it starts
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I Have turned help off on my toons in the three servers I frequent (Virtue, Champion, and Exalted) because it has become a general chat channel, a lft channel, etc. everything but a help channel.
The problem is that there is so much going on, messages for actually help are scrolled out of sight rather quickly and so could be missed......NPC msgs and mish related msgs are missed because they are scrolled out of site....etc.
The veteran players should know better but what choice do the f2p have?
This is one point I think the DEVS dropped the ball on. F2P people should not be restricted from tell or broadcast. Restricting them from these does nothing to entice them to become VIP. in fact, I could see it having the opposite effect.
For over a year now, one of the very first things I do after making a new toon is remove the Help channel from the global chat tab.
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I almost never frequent the Help channel, but last night I found a use for it....
I was able to one-star (my "low" rating) the trolls.
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See? This makes me sad. And Celestial, I've seen you around in VIP channels, so it's not like your voice is lost or anything, but I feel like removing the Help channel makes you miss out on some good stuff. And some of these debates on the Help channel are rather interesting and sometimes a nice change of pace from the xp grind. And sometimes, there is some genuinely useful information that comes across there.|
Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
For over a year now, one of the very first things I do after making a new toon is remove the Help channel from the global chat tab.
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As for a Religion discussion, it's been a long time since I've read the EULA but I'm thinking discussing religion would be covered in Freedom of Speech and Expression.
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I think the point is that it is not supposed to be a "debate" or general chat channel.|
Originally Posted by Brigg
And some of these debates on the Help channel are rather interesting and sometimes a nice change of pace from the xp grind. And sometimes, there is some genuinely useful information that comes across there.
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I think the very name of the channel the HELP channel should make it clear that it is for people to get help. It isn't called the help and general chat or debate channel. there are other channels for that.
Again, I don't think it was a good idea to restrict the F2P from all but the Help channel. But since that is the way it is, it should be expected that the f2p will use that channel for more than help. (again, the VIP should know better and not make a bad situation worse).
I will check it from time to time because I do like to use the help channel to help people or get help...but so long as it is being used as a general chat, then I will pretty much ignore it.
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Depends on how you were 'discussing' them, and I understood from the indicated post that the discussion may not have been civil... And speech of that nature is not so covered. (ignoring, for a moment, that the Free of Speech and Expression is not a global right...)
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Originally Posted by Brigg
See? This makes me sad. And Celestial, I've seen you around in VIP channels, so it's not like your voice is lost or anything, but I feel like removing the Help channel makes you miss out on some good stuff. And some of these debates on the Help channel are rather interesting and sometimes a nice change of pace from the xp grind. And sometimes, there is some genuinely useful information that comes across there.
As for a Religion discussion, it's been a long time since I've read the EULA but I'm thinking discussing religion would be covered in Freedom of Speech and Expression. |
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I repeatedly see here people just blaming the players for not inherently knowing the names of all the PLAYER created channels.
So I will say again it is the DEVS who are to blame.
How do we know which are the "good" channels? These channels are exactly like the AE, great except there is no way to know what we need to know about the content.
Is the channel owner a complete egomaniac?
Does the channel allow you to have FUN (it is a game) or must we strictly adhere to the "rules" or get kicked?
Who do I have to speak to to join the channels?
It goes on forever, how many tabs am I supposed to have in my UI?
All of these?
VIP
BMT Exalted
Exalted Events
Global VIP Network
Exalted LFG
Exalted United
So how do I monitor 6 separate tabs?
Or I can use 1 channel for general chat and help. Now if they had 2 channels as a minimum - one would be for teaming and it seems incredible that one is not available to F2P players as well.
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I for one have blamed no players... in fact, I have gone and tried to offer the channel information in game to help people. And the search feature is handy.|
Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
I repeatedly see here people just blaming the players for not inherently knowing the names of all the PLAYER created channels.
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I continue to contend, it is about being polite. Using Help as a global chat channel may well be disrupting more players than it helps.
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
It goes on forever, how many tabs am I supposed to have in my UI?
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In answer to this - 1, if you want. I know I have my most watched channels (from multiple servers) on a single tab. No different, I imagine, in volume than watching everyone on the single help channel.
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The help channel is also used by spammers. Not once, but repeating their ad 5x. Having played on Freedom, Virtue and Champion, I am quite glad not to see this on Exalted.
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Originally Posted by Dylan Clearbrook
Again, I don't think it was a good idea to restrict the F2P from all but the Help channel. But since that is the way it is, it should be expected that the f2p will use that channel for more than help.
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Playing on the Freedom server and turning off Broadcast and Help makes no sense to me. Why would you even *play* on Freedom if you don't like nonsensical banter?
The help channel might get more use as such if free players could communicate normally like the rest of us. If they had some other option I might get slightly irritated, but as it's their only outlet to communicate with the world I give them a pass.
I like to leave the Help channel open myself, but it became detrimental to my mission when people just WOULD not shut up. I put a few on Ignore--but I've been playing for years, and my ignore list was already full--and one-starred a few who were using the channel to mock people, but it was scrolling faster than my NPC dialogue.
I will be taking it off my Global.
We do need more server wide channels, longer lists for Ignore, and we need monitors on the globals.
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I just don't see the big deal of people just using it. It still gets used as the Help channel. And people still get help from the Help channel. What's the problem?
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Oh. And believe it or not, Freedom's Help channel was never a convoluted mess. People only used it when they had questions. The Arena Chat channel was a different story.
However. Now that F2P is live... The Help Channel is nothing but trollers and spammers. And it's ugly. Exalted Help is NOT like that. On Exalted, people are having conversations. So what. Nobody is abusing it or just spamming to be a jerk.
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I see it alot on Freedom. Im starting to see alot of website adds in the help chat to. It makes it hard for the players that really do need help get help.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
Anyone else noticed that on this server people use the help channel for everything other than help??
I'm initially from Union and it's an unwritten rule that you don't use this channel unless asking for help about an issue (not help to level etc). Seems this is a bad habbit that some players on Exaulted seem to be carrying on.... Where did this trend come from!? |
It has its idiotic trolls and its anything police as many other channels and indeed the forums. I never used to observe it but now, since COHF (don't google image that btw!) launch I have maintained a presence to assist the nubness with the sweetness of the game.
The issue is sort of moot I'd say.
If you like the way the help channel is being used then you're probably happy, if don't you probably aren't happy. However, I can say that no manner of "policing" or complaining will change the way people are currently utlizing the help channel.
You could wish for some GM enforcement or some supervisory control over the help channel, but you'd have to ask yourself how reasonable is that really?
At the best some people are using the help channel to communicate game wide in a positive way. At worst people are using it to be annoyance game wide. The real side effect though is that the pool of people to derive answers from goes down since there will be those that ignore the channel due to its current use.
I typically have a tab that's dedicated for general channels, teaming channels, and system related things. I switch between the tabs as needed. Therefor the use of the help channel is of little deteriment to me. If I happen to see a question when I'm looking at it, I'll answer, but most of the time the help channel is not on my radar.
This is probably more common for many folks.
It's a live and let live situation.
It is definitely a culture shock. For instance, on my old server we do things a certain way. Most TFs are kill-mosts, and exp/shards are number one. Here it seems that every high level TF is a speed and if they don't say it is kill-most it probably is a speed. There also is a little arrogance about how fast people can run the TFs, which I never encountered before. It's not that I don't like speeding, I find it fun, but speeding isn't exactly the best for a level 35 just up to ITF level who wants to level quickly.
Personally I think help should be enforced and broadcast should be server wide. That would let people talk about random things or search for teams and let help be used as intended. As a bonus, most of the people that find the current help annoying probably already have broadcast turned off, or will do so after the change. Personally, I'm a textophile and like to constantly be reading, so I like server-wide communication (yeah, if I had a facebook account I'd be "that guy").
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Personally, I always remve help from my global tab and put it in one of those numbered tabs. That way I always have help open without havimg it to cram my global tab.
So we blame the PLAYERS because we only have 1 global channel?
We don't have a LFT channel - which in an MMO should be the FIRST channel we get.
The solution you all recommend is private channels? These have size limits correct? Global open has no size limit, nor do you have to seek the approval of the monitors of the channel.
The fact that people laugh and have fun in the channel is a GOOD thing, not a bad one. I often answer help questions with tells and that removes the help conversation from general chat. I do this since after one help answer a 45 minute diatribe by someone on the "correct" answer started.
You don't see the whole elitist attitude this thread evokes? You would rather delete the tab than help someone. I can say with certainty I never pass a day playing that I have not been able to help someone through this channel.
We need a LFT channel and a general channel and then you could say please use Help for help and otherwise go to this channel.........since we don't have these players use what they have.