First Look - Street Justice
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Posted on: 2011-10-04 01:38 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I disagre Shubbie. The AoE is more than enough, considering that one is a Targeted 6ft radius (12 feet across, 3 less than Foot stomp), and that all the melee's can get another AoE in thier epic pools at 35 or 38.
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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That's a 12 foot diameter.|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
I disagre Shubbie. The AoE is more than enough, considering that one is a Targeted 6ft radius (12 feet across, 3 less than Foot stomp), and that all the melee's can get another AoE in thier epic pools at 35 or 38.
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Foot Stomp has a 15 ft radius.
the AoE may not be fantastic, but it's easy enough to line up enemies for Sweeping Cross
Where's a "don't be a hater" icon, song, etc. for all you who already are giving StJ a bad vibe.
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Originally Posted by masterpiece
Where's a "don't be a hater" icon, song, etc. for all you who already are giving StJ a bad vibe.
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Originally Posted by masterpiece
Where's a "don't be a hater" icon, song, etc. for all you who already are giving StJ a bad vibe.
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I never played SS. Guess it shows.|
Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
That's a 12 foot diameter.
Foot Stomp has a 15 ft radius. |
Nerf foot stomp?
*placates*
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
Many. many people would disagree with you. Martial Arts and Super Strength both bring specific concepts of fighting style to mind which don't really fit the "unskilled/non-powered brawler" style, and as such many feel limited by them.
There's been people asking for a street fighting type of set for years. While I'm not terribly interested in it, I think it's a nice, polished looking set. |
I don't know, I seen the video and all I seen were the same 3 or 4 attacks over and over and over again. I was literally bored half way through. Maybe its changed since then.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
Here is my first look:
Open paragon market. Not able to view any numbers on the set.
Go into character creator. Not able to select it since its locked and thus cant view the numbers.
Not buying it.
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What numbers do you want? I can look them up and post them all for you.
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Originally Posted by MAD UMLAUTS
Here is my first look:
Open paragon market. Not able to view any numbers on the set. Go into character creator. Not able to select it since its locked and thus cant view the numbers. Not buying it. |
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All of them available for all at's before i buy it. That's what i want them to do and what they should have done already.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Fenix
What numbers do you want? I can look them up and post them all for you.
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Ok. I may go type some of those up at some point, but that's a lot of info. I suggest you post in the dev or suggestions part of the forums to try to get some dev attention on this issue, if it bothers you that much. Eventually, MIDS will be updated with the numbers as well, so you can check that once it happens.
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Originally Posted by MAD UMLAUTS
All of them available for all at's before i buy it. That's what i want them to do and what they should have done already.
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Oh, and just for starters, here's all the scrapper numbers copy-pasted from the character creator (set to level 1):
Scrapper
Initial Strike
Average Damage:11.89 Damage Per Activation Time:11.11 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.96 Activation Time:1.07s Recharge Time:5.00s Endurance Cost:6.03 Accuracy:1.00X Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 11.89 smashing damage on target 5.00% chance for 11.89 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 5.35 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace 30.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target
Heavy Blow
Average Damage:11.89 Damage Per Activation Time:11.11 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.96 Activation Time:1.07s Recharge Time:5.00s Endurance Cost:6.03 Accuracy:1.00X Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 11.89 smashing damage on target 5.00% chance for 11.89 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 5.35 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace 30.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target
Sweeping Cross
Average Damage:15.38 Damage Per Activation Time:9.21 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.59 Activation Time:1.67s Recharge Time:8.00s Endurance Cost:8.53 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:2 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Cone -- 7.00 ft. radius 50.00 degree arc (5 targets max) Attack Types:melee, smashing 15.38 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 0 16.14 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 1 17.22 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 2 19.22 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 3 5.00% chance for 15.38 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 20.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude stun for 4.80s on target Only at Combo Level 0 23.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude stun for 4.80s on target Only at Combo Level 1 26.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude stun for 4.80s on target Only at Combo Level 2 30.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude stun for 4.80s on target Only at Combo Level 3 40.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target Only at Combo Level 3 6.92 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace
Combat Readiness
Activation Time:1.17s Recharge Time:1m 30s Endurance Cost:5.20 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:6 Power Type:Click Target Type:Self Effect Area:Single Target +20.00% to hit for 10.00s on self unresistable +62.50% strength to all damage for 10.00s on self Ignores buffs and enhancements unresistable
Rib Cracker
Average Damage:13.53 Damage Per Activation Time:10.17 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.85 Activation Time:1.33s Recharge Time:6.00s Endurance Cost:6.86 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:8 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 13.53 smashing damage on target 5.00% chance for 13.53 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 6.09 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace -11.25% strength to all damage for 5.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements -7.50% resistance to all damage for 5.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements
Confront
Activation Time:1.67s Recharge Time:3.00s Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:12 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:70.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:ranged +400.00% taunt for 11.25s on target -75.00% strength to range for 12.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements
Spinning Strike
Average Damage:15.78 Damage Per Activation Time:8.77 Damage Per Cast Cycle:0.89 Activation Time:1.80s Recharge Time:16.00s Endurance Cost:15.18 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:18 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:AoE -- 6.00 ft. radius (10 targets max) Attack Types:melee, smashing 7.89 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 0 7.89 smashing damage on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 0 8.29 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 1 8.29 smashing damage on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 1 8.84 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 2 8.84 smashing damage on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 2 9.87 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 3 9.87 smashing damage on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 3 50.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 0 57.50% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 1 65.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 2 75.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 3 5.00% chance for 15.78 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 30.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude terrorize for 6.00s on target Only at Combo Level 3 7.10 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace
Shin Breaker
Average Damage:16.81 Damage Per Activation Time:12.64 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.80 Activation Time:1.33s Recharge Time:8.00s Endurance Cost:11.86 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:26 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 16.81 smashing damage on target -40.00% run speed for 8.00s on target 1.60 fly protection for 8.00s on target -40.00% strength to jump height for 8.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements -40.00% jump speed for 8.00s on target 5.00% chance for 16.81 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings -7.50% defense for 10.00s on target 7.56 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace
Crushing Uppercut
Average Damage:32.60 Damage Per Activation Time:15.02 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.20 Activation Time:2.17s Recharge Time:25.00s Endurance Cost:14.35 Accuracy:1.20X Available Level:32 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:13.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 32.60 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 0 34.22 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 1 36.51 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 2 40.74 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 3 5.00% chance for 32.60 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 3.00 magnitude stun for 6.00s on target Only at Combo Level 0 3.00 magnitude stun for 6.30s on target Only at Combo Level 1 3.00 magnitude stun for 6.90s on target Only at Combo Level 2 3.00 magnitude hold for 7.80s on target Only at Combo Level 3 3.00 magnitude knockup on target 14.67 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace
The aoe is pretty weak,funny they should put out a single target set since there is very little demand for single target damage.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
It's a great set if you know what you're doing.
Attack, switch, attack, switch, attack, switch, AoE with boosted damage, repeat as desired/needed.
It kinda begs for a taunt aura on the defense set, but that's a small inconvenience.
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Thank you, mids is out now so im good. I was just annoyed that they are selling powersets without info available.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Fenix
Oh, and just for starters, here's all the scrapper numbers copy-pasted from the character creator (set to level 1):
Scrapper Initial Strike Average Damage:11.89 Damage Per Activation Time:11.11 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.96 Activation Time:1.07s Recharge Time:5.00s Endurance Cost:6.03 Accuracy:1.00X Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 11.89 smashing damage on target 5.00% chance for 11.89 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 5.35 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace 30.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target Heavy Blow Average Damage:11.89 Damage Per Activation Time:11.11 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.96 Activation Time:1.07s Recharge Time:5.00s Endurance Cost:6.03 Accuracy:1.00X Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 11.89 smashing damage on target 5.00% chance for 11.89 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 5.35 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace 30.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target Sweeping Cross Average Damage:15.38 Damage Per Activation Time:9.21 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.59 Activation Time:1.67s Recharge Time:8.00s Endurance Cost:8.53 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:2 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Cone -- 7.00 ft. radius 50.00 degree arc (5 targets max) Attack Types:melee, smashing 15.38 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 0 16.14 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 1 17.22 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 2 19.22 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 3 5.00% chance for 15.38 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 20.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude stun for 4.80s on target Only at Combo Level 0 23.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude stun for 4.80s on target Only at Combo Level 1 26.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude stun for 4.80s on target Only at Combo Level 2 30.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude stun for 4.80s on target Only at Combo Level 3 40.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target Only at Combo Level 3 6.92 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace Combat Readiness Activation Time:1.17s Recharge Time:1m 30s Endurance Cost:5.20 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:6 Power Type:Click Target Type:Self Effect Area:Single Target +20.00% to hit for 10.00s on self unresistable +62.50% strength to all damage for 10.00s on self Ignores buffs and enhancements unresistable Rib Cracker Average Damage:13.53 Damage Per Activation Time:10.17 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.85 Activation Time:1.33s Recharge Time:6.00s Endurance Cost:6.86 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:8 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 13.53 smashing damage on target 5.00% chance for 13.53 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 6.09 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace -11.25% strength to all damage for 5.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements -7.50% resistance to all damage for 5.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements Confront Activation Time:1.67s Recharge Time:3.00s Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:12 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:70.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:ranged +400.00% taunt for 11.25s on target -75.00% strength to range for 12.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements Spinning Strike Average Damage:15.78 Damage Per Activation Time:8.77 Damage Per Cast Cycle:0.89 Activation Time:1.80s Recharge Time:16.00s Endurance Cost:15.18 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:18 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:AoE -- 6.00 ft. radius (10 targets max) Attack Types:melee, smashing 7.89 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 0 7.89 smashing damage on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 0 8.29 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 1 8.29 smashing damage on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 1 8.84 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 2 8.84 smashing damage on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 2 9.87 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 3 9.87 smashing damage on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 3 50.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 0 57.50% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 1 65.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 2 75.00% chance for 0.67 magnitude knockback on target after 0.40s delay Only at Combo Level 3 5.00% chance for 15.78 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 30.00% chance for 3.00 magnitude terrorize for 6.00s on target Only at Combo Level 3 7.10 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace Shin Breaker Average Damage:16.81 Damage Per Activation Time:12.64 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.80 Activation Time:1.33s Recharge Time:8.00s Endurance Cost:11.86 Accuracy:1.00X Available Level:26 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:7.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 16.81 smashing damage on target -40.00% run speed for 8.00s on target 1.60 fly protection for 8.00s on target -40.00% strength to jump height for 8.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements -40.00% jump speed for 8.00s on target 5.00% chance for 16.81 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings -7.50% defense for 10.00s on target 7.56 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace Crushing Uppercut Average Damage:32.60 Damage Per Activation Time:15.02 Damage Per Cast Cycle:1.20 Activation Time:2.17s Recharge Time:25.00s Endurance Cost:14.35 Accuracy:1.20X Available Level:32 Power Type:Click Target Type:Enemies Power Range:13.00 ft. Effect Area:Single Target Attack Types:melee, smashing 32.60 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 0 34.22 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 1 36.51 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 2 40.74 smashing damage on target Only at Combo Level 3 5.00% chance for 32.60 smashing damage on target Only against minions and underlings 3.00 magnitude stun for 6.00s on target Only at Combo Level 0 3.00 magnitude stun for 6.30s on target Only at Combo Level 1 3.00 magnitude stun for 6.90s on target Only at Combo Level 2 3.00 magnitude hold for 7.80s on target Only at Combo Level 3 3.00 magnitude knockup on target 14.67 fire damage on target Only using Fiery Embrace |
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Most of the sets, just go right in with the aoe's and mobs die so fast in the current game that by the time you get to your aoe's most of the pack is dead.|
Originally Posted by Lady_of_Ysgard
It's a great set if you know what you're doing.
Attack, switch, attack, switch, attack, switch, AoE with boosted damage, repeat as desired/needed. It kinda begs for a taunt aura on the defense set, but that's a small inconvenience. |
Besides your barely going to hit anything with those tiny aoe's
It feels like the set got nerfed at some point and then not properly tested.
Its NOT in any way shape or form worth 10 bucks.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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So you say.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Most of the sets, just go right in with the aoe's and mobs die so fast in the current game that by the time you get to your aoe's most of the pack is dead.
Besides your barely going to hit anything with those tiny aoe's It feels like the set got nerfed at some point and then not properly tested. Its NOT in any way shape or form worth 10 bucks. |
I like it, and I disagree with your assessment, therefore your opinion is not the fact you seem to think it is.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
So you say.
I like it, and I disagree with your assessment, therefore your opinion is not the fact you seem to think it is. |
Since you are buying one and only one powerset for a premium price, they are going to have to accept that some people might not like it.
They are going to have to make some sort of adjustment for this fact or wind up with some very bitter and vocal players.
Its a very weak set as it stands in my opinion.
The game moved on from single target damage about 10 issues ago. This is a fact not opinion. No purples means dead weight, and the only way to earn purples is farming, you dont need great aoe, but you need acceptable.
And then back to my opinion, StJ does not have acceptable aoe.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
The range on spinning strike says 6' in mids. Is this correct or a misprint? I see 7' in the post above, so I'm just curious.
I think that just may make it the shortest range for a PBAoE I've seen.
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Originally Posted by Gospel_NA
I think that just may make it the shortest range for a PBAoE I've seen.
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It's a Targeted AoE with a short range.
EDIT: For absolute clarity, it's a Targeted AoE with a range of 7'. It's AoE is 6' radius.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
The game moved on from single target damage about 10 issues ago. This is a fact not opinion. No purples means dead weight, and the only way to earn purples is farming, you dont need great aoe, but you need acceptable.
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First of all, you can have the most high end build in the game and still be a crappy player. Second, last time I checked the game had an e-mail system and Base storage that made it possible to transfer inf/enhancements/recipes/salvage between characters, so unless that was removed some time between right now and earlier this morning I have trouble following the idea that "every single character you have must be able to farm."
Edit: I missed the fact that you think "the only way to earn purples is farming." I just built a Hecatomb set for my Peacebringer in about 3 days just by playing the market. Granted I farm too, particularly when I want to pick things up more quickly, but it's certainly not "the only way to get purples," or anything else.
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Originally Posted by Lacrymosa
You can see it on youtube....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNiP-o-ajII
Looks really bad considering MA and SS are the "brawler" type powersets. Street Justice just looks like a last minute idea. The best move is the uppercut, and not by much. |
Street Justice is basically the set I've wanted since I first started playing this game.
No extreme acrobatics or weird contortions like you'd find in MA. No explosions or "hulk smash" animations you'd get from SS. No fire, no darkness, no energy, no weapons.
Just a straight up beat down.
I love the set so far(Currently 22 as of this post). I'm looking forward to Shin Breaker and Crushing Uppercut. I find the animations to be fun looking.
As for the AoEs, my main, before I quit the game long ago was a Dm Scrapper. Also, every time I'd come back for a month or so, my newly created characters would all get and use Sands of mu. Lining up a tiny cone/aoe is pretty much second nature to me.
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You just earned an in-game /gignore from me. This is a fact, not just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
No purples means dead weight
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VIRTUE: Ms Pris - 50 scrapper, Brai Master - 50 tank, Candi Pain - 50 scrapper
VICTORY: Little Bertha - 50 blaster
The rest of the set is good, but I dont get the point of single target sets at this stage of the game.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.