I was also wondering if First Ward have anything to do with Praetoria? Yes, I know it's in Preatoria, and all the backstory behind it, I mean, is it at all related to the Resistance vs. Loyalist thing, or is it just another zone?
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i think its another zone since you can do FW content on non praetorians as well, there appears to be no loyalist position in FW that you are following
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There are repeatable contatcs for Villains/loyalists, but no actual zone storyline that fits their views - it's pretty much a Hero/Resistance zone, which it needs to be as its level range is over halfway to the Incanrate content, so everyone neds to be moved towards that path.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
i think its another zone since you can do FW content on non praetorians as well, there appears to be no loyalist position in FW that you are following
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I've seen no evidence that there is any difference between Primal and Praetorian-origin toons in FW. No one seems to know that my Praetorian-origin ex-Loyalist Responsibility character is from Praetoria. Katie Douglas doesn't even remember that I shopped her to Mother Mayhem.
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My biggest disappointment in what I consider to be a great, great zone is that if you were (or still are) a Praetorian the FW contacts - including ones you have met and interacted with just a couple of levels ago - have no idea who you are or that you are any different than that Primal schlub that just ran by. 
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Katie Douglas in FW actually assumes that both moral choices were chose on her arc - she's free, but the Seers haven't been freed.
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Originally Posted by SnakeRogers
I've seen no evidence that there is any difference between Primal and Praetorian-origin toons in FW. No one seems to know that my Praetorian-origin ex-Loyalist Responsibility character is from Praetoria. Katie Douglas doesn't even remember that I shopped her to Mother Mayhem.
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if its hero/resistance themed then i better not run it then cause being a villain means saving poeple sucks lol
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
There are repeatable contatcs for Villains/loyalists, but no actual zone storyline that fits their views - it's pretty much a Hero/Resistance zone, which it needs to be as its level range is over halfway to the Incanrate content, so everyone neds to be moved towards that path.
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So there is absolutely no point going there as a villain?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
There are repeatable contatcs for Villains/loyalists, but no actual zone storyline that fits their views - it's pretty much a Hero/Resistance zone, which it needs to be as its level range is over halfway to the Incanrate content, so everyone neds to be moved towards that path.
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There are a few text options where you can act like a jerk, but mostly it's about helping people out for no reward, because it's the right thing to do to make sure the Resistance, the people of FW amd the Carnival of Light are all friends.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
if its hero/resistance themed then i better not run it then cause being a villain means saving poeple sucks lol
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Keeping the in-fighting going for your own advantage or to help Tyrant isn't an option.
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DO NOT bring a villain to the First Ward unless you're prepared to play an unambiguous good guy. The most you can hope for is to be a dick to people, but there is almost nothing villainous at all that you can actually do in the main storyline.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
if its hero/resistance themed then i better not run it then cause being a villain means saving poeple sucks lol
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Honestly, it seems to me that the more the storyline background gets fractured into smaller substories, the harder it is for the game to keep ITS OWN continuity. Forget my delusions of being a time lord from another dimension and so having already been exposed to time travel. That's my writing and the game can't know that. But when the game's storyline starts dropping out of its own continuity, there's a problem.
What bugs me the most is that I've interacted with Vasilokos, Noble Savage and Kathie Douglass (I keep wanting to call her Kathie Hannon for some reason), and yet not only do they not remember me, but they treat me like garbage like I never saved their lives multiple times over. Hell, Kathie was thanking me profusely on my way out of Praetoria, and now she's acting a copy of Jane Temblor.
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There's like zero motivation for you to run the zone story arcs if you don't want to help people and do the right thing - there's not even like a magical item temp power that you get at the end, which could be the motivation for helping the people there - the contacts just assume that you'll want to help them, and are cool with working with the Resistance.|
Originally Posted by Gunbunny
So there is absolutely no point going there as a villain?
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For the loyalists, there are some Crusaders to fight, but it still involves working with Resistance members and their allies, with no option to ring Porvost Marchand to inform him of what's going on - and the final arc has a mission in it that's outrageously disloyal to the wonderful Emperor
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The moral choice in Seer 1381's arc involves freeing one Seer substation. Furthermore, even choosing not to shut down the station, while it means you do fight her (I think...it's been a while, so it may not even be her, but just a bunch of ambushes), doesn't mean she gets plugged back in again. So "Katie Douglas is free, but there are still Seers in the network" is a perfectly valid situation regardless of which choice was made in that arc.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Katie Douglas in FW actually assumes that both moral choices were chose on her arc - she's free, but the Seers haven't been freed.
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When you say that it is mostly based towards Hero/Resistance characters, do you mean that the "good" things they are doing are anti-Praetoria? As in, they are helping all these people so they can eventual tear down Cole's regime? Or is there just some generally bad stuff going on that will harm everyone?
Because I'm wondering if I should take my Hero Loyalist there. And that title is meant in its truest sense, he is a Loyalist that supports and fights for Cole's regime, but if he were on Primal Earth, he would absolutely be a hero, and is automatically drawn toward heroic things.
Bad Voodoo by @Beyond Reach. Arc ID #373659. Level 20-24. Mr. Bocor has fallen victim to a group of hooded vigilantes who have been plaguing Port Oakes, interfering with illegal operations and pacifying villain's powers. He demands that revenge is taken on these miscreants and his powers are returned! You look like just the villain for the job. Challenging.
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There's bad stuff that's going to harm everyone, but the stuff you do to stop it is anti-Tyrant, and anti-dictatorhip in general, and it involves working with and helping the Resistance strengthen their position.|
Originally Posted by BeyondReach
When you say that it is mostly based towards Hero/Resistance characters, do you mean that the "good" things they are doing are anti-Praetoria? As in, they are helping all these people so they can eventual tear down Cole's regime? Or is there just some generally bad stuff going on that will harm everyone?
Because I'm wondering if I should take my Hero Loyalist there. And that title is meant in its truest sense, he is a Loyalist that supports and fights for Cole's regime, but if he were on Primal Earth, he would absolutely be a hero, and is automatically drawn toward heroic things. |
Of the 8 stroy contacts in FW, the 1st is a sorceress from the Carnival of Light, the 2nd is a woman whose group are allied with the Resistance, the 3rd is an ex-loyalist guy who's joined the Resistance, the 4th is a woman who's a former unwilling servant of the empire who's now working against the loyalists, especially Mother Mayhem and the Seers, the 5th is an old shaman who's friendly with the Carnival of Light, the 6th is a wizard who works with the Carnival of Light, the 7th is a crazy but rather pathetic wizard who ultimately does something very good, and the 8th is Vanessa DeVore, the guiding force behind the entire Resistance movement, whose masterplan, according to her new bio, is to get the Wardens to take over the government form the inside.
Three of the contacts are returning from the GR content - and they're either part of the Resisatnce or helping the Resistance - and while there are also three Praetors that show up, none of them are contacts, and they're all shown in a very bad light.
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They're both called Katie; there's no H.
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Kathie Douglass (I keep wanting to call her Kathie Hannon for some reason)
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First Ward is ... different.|
Originally Posted by BeyondReach
I was also wondering if First Ward have anything to do with Praetoria? Yes, I know it's in Preatoria, and all the backstory behind it, I mean, is it at all related to the Resistance vs. Loyalist thing, or is it just another zone?
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It's very existence and the tragedy of what happened to it are directly responsible for the Praetoria you experience as a 1-20 Praetorian. But since it was all but abandoned, it's current story is only tangentially connected to the current Praetorian storyline. Sure, you get little threads of connection -- DUST using it as a training ground, Mother Mayhem running her "hospital" away from the eyes of the average Praetorian citizens, Noble Savage and "others" keeping the Ghouls from overrunning Praetoria, and the answer to where all the magic in Praetoria has gone.
But it's fairly self-contained within the Praetoria meta-story, serving to show what happened in the past and what might happen in the future.
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Right, thanks for the heads up folks.
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When I was playing on my Praetorian gone Hero, Jonathan Wong, in First Ward, I had some references to him being in Powers Division, which he was. Does this happen to other characters who weren't from Praetoria?
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Yes, NPCs will refer to you as "Powers Division" because they don't particularly know there's a Primal Earth with its own unlicensed supers and whatnot in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Zortel
When I was playing on my Praetorian gone Hero, Jonathan Wong, in First Ward, I had some references to him being in Powers Division, which he was. Does this happen to other characters who weren't from Praetoria?
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Does it treat all characters the same? I.e. is there any point in me running my Sonic/Beam Defender through Praetoria to get Praetoria dialogue, or do the contacts in FW magically (pun not intended) not know you're a Praetorian as soon as you get there?
Asking since
1) I keep seeing mention of it in other threads
2) I hate Preatorian mobs. I love Praetoria's story, I just hate the mobs you have to trudge through to get anywhere.
If there's no unique dialogue, I'm gonna re-roll my lowbie blueside and save the hassle >_>