With the introduction of Titan Weapons...
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Posted on: 2011-09-26 19:20 in Suggestions and Ideas
A new character model means redoing all of the costume pieces for the new model, making sure all the animations work for the new rig, etc.
Dunno about increasing the height max, but why should it be limited to Huge avatars? (I suspect such a limitation would be more of a mess for the creation interface than it's worth, anyway.) There may be issues there with characters fitting inside maps, although none specifically come to mind.
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I'm generally for more options rather than less, but you need to think about time investment vs. payout.
Making larger models would mean a ton of peripheral work: checking costume pieces, checking doors in maps, in the case of the huge female it would mean animating a whole new model for powers, etc etc. That's a ton of work for what is essentially a niche cosmetic request.
I don't think so.
I'd rather they changed the scales on the female model.
Make physique effect PHYSIQUE, NOT how damn big the thigh/hips/butt are. Seriously, physique does approximately sod all to the actual arm and leg muscles. It's really annoying that ALL female characters have to be either stick thin or bulky in areas they shouldn't be just to have the illusion of muscle mass.
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While weapon sizes are normally dictated by the size of the toon like someone said above its alot of work to do what is suggested, Also watch Final Fantasy, Scrawny people wielding massive weapons, looks good to
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Originally Posted by Hercules
I'm sure many will find it amusing making a 4 foot dwarf with a 10 foot long weapon, but personally I'd like a character who looks like he/she can realistically handle the weapon.
My suggestions: 1) Addition of another foot in height to the male Huge model. 2) Creation of a female huge model or addition of another foot to the female model. The concepts that I have in mind are: - A huge "Shrek" type ogre. - A rather large female barbarian wielding a huge broadsword or Axe. I sincerely hope they dont intend to scale the weapon size to the character height. It was done like that in DAOC, with some rather disappointing results. |
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You don't want them to scale the weapon size to the character height (and I agree) but you want a character that can be even taller so it looks like they can handle the weapons?|
Originally Posted by Hercules
I'm sure many will find it amusing making a 4 foot dwarf with a 10 foot long weapon, but personally I'd like a character who looks like he/she can realistically handle the weapon.
My suggestions: 1) Addition of another foot in height to the male Huge model. 2) Creation of a female huge model or addition of another foot to the female model. The concepts that I have in mind are: - A huge "Shrek" type ogre. - A rather large female barbarian wielding a huge broadsword or Axe. I sincerely hope they dont intend to scale the weapon size to the character height. It was done like that in DAOC, with some rather disappointing results. |
It's called Titan Weapons. These are HUGE WEAPONS. If you want a character that looks like they could realistic handle such a weapon, roll a Broadsword/Axe/Mace character
When Titan Weapons go live, I want my 5ft tall character holding a bustersword that's taller and possibly even wider than she is
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I so very rarely say that, but "this." The whole point of Titanic Weapons - and this is something I will hold David to task over as he more or less promised - is to have a HUGE weapon. Every other weapon set in the entire game ends up tiny for women because "it looks better" in their hands, according to BABs sense of Aesthetics, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of that nonsense. The whole point of Titanic Weapons is to have a weapon that's ridiculously huge for the character wielding it. One of the characters I plan to put that in the hands of is roughly a four-foot-tall small girlish robot, and I WANT the sword to be bigger than she is.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
It's called Titan Weapons. These are HUGE WEAPONS. If you want a character that looks like they could realistic handle such a weapon, roll a Broadsword/Axe/Mace character
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I recall making a specific "wish upon a star:" I want the SMALLEST Titanic Weapon, when put in the hands of a female character, to still be bigger than the BIGGEST broadsword weapon, which is the Legacy Broadsword. If that doesn't happen, Titanic Weapons aren't big enough. I want a weapon that, when stood up on its end, is longer than my character is tall. I want a weapon that is broader side-to-side lengthwise than a common NPCs are at the shoulders. I want a weapon that looks like it's as heavy as a car. That's the point of calling it a TITANIC weapon. If I wanted smaller weapons that are to-scale of the character using them, I'd use every other weapon set in the game.
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Now, all of that said... Sure, I'd love to see the maximum height for women bumped up by at least another foot, so a max-height woman can match a max-height man. Actually, female maximum height (or rather, scale) is already higher - 25 to the Huge Model to 34 to the Female.
In general, I'd like to see max height for all characters increased across the board. I want to make characters who are as tall as Noble Savage or a Fake Nemesis or a Greater Devoured. If these can move around indoor instances, so can we.
And, yes, I'd like to see a more muscular female model where the "muscle" slider actually affected the model's muscles, rather than breasts and butt, where I can have muscular arms and muscular legs and a more solid rib cage ("chest" slider my ***). Sadly, David more or less nuked that suggestion from orbit so it'll never happen.
What might happen, however, is what someone dubbed Titanic Arms
Basically, it's using the Robotic Arms tech to give women bigger, more muscular HUMAN arms which would make more sense to carry such a heavy weapon. It's been long past due to add non-robotic options to Robotic Arms anyway. That I have some degree of hope about, even if no-one at Paragon Studios has ever elected to comment on the subject that I'm aware of.
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As BrandX said the whole idea behind this powerset is to allow for "unrealistically oversized" weapons. If you want a character to be able to "realistically" wield a 10 foot sword that's 3 feet wide then all you need to be able to do is have like 15+ foot tall giants in this game.
I'm not against the general suggestion of changing the body models to allow for giants, or at least bigger characters than we have now. But I think any suggestion to get bigger body models really has no direct connection to this Titan Weapons powerset. Again while it may be a anime cliche to have a petite teenaged girl swing around a weapon that's 3x her size that is in fact the MAIN working idea the Devs are trying to capture here. The attempt to make a character that's -not- a ripoff of that cliche is actually going to be a little weird all things considered.
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Actually, off-topic, I think the Barbarian Sword now rivals the Legacy one, Sam
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I always love it when normal sized people talk about this...
Big folks wielding big weapons = cool
Tiny folks wielding big weapons = cool
So, if we remove the differences:
big weapons = cool
Awesome!
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Soooooooo much this.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
When Titan Weapons go live, I want my 5ft tall character holding a bustersword that's taller and possibly even wider than she is
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I want my 7' gargoyle to carry around a great sword as long as he is tall. That's been my character concept since 2000 (the pen and paper days). That's what Titan Weapons should be about.
Historically, zweihanders and flamberges are a great allegory for the concept.
I'm looking forward to seeing this weapon set in action - I obviously have a concept waiting in the wings
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There was a real life warrior/pirate named Pier Gerlofs Donia who supposedly was beefy enough to be able to wield a 7 foot long greatsword that weighed almost 15 pounds. As the story goes he could decapitate multiple people with a single swing. |
Originally Posted by Obsidius
I want my 7' gargoyle to carry around a great sword as long as he is tall. That's been my character concept since 2000 (the pen and paper days). That's what Titan Weapons should be about.
Historically, zweihanders and flamberges are a great allegory for the concept. I'm looking forward to seeing this weapon set in action - I obviously have a concept waiting in the wings |
Obviously that's probably close to the limit of what a real life Titan Weapon could do. Anything more than that is squarely in the realm of comic books and anime.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
The whole point of Titanic Weapons - and this is something I will hold David to task over as he more or less promised but will still shut my trap otherwise - is to have a HUGE weapon.
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So you'd think, but the Legacy Broadsword, at least for women, is still longer, broader, thicker and has both a bigger guard and greater apparent weight. That said, of all the swords I saw at creation, Barbarian was the only one that came even remotely close, so you do make a good point |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Actually, off-topic, I think the Barbarian Sword now rivals the Legacy one, Sam
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I'm using that to remake my possessed suit of armour from I2 into a Sword/Shield Brute, and so far I'm happy. I still want a thicker sword, though. Will probably swap to the Romulus sword if I don't give up and go for the Tron one from Celestial.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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That's more or less what I want out of it. People suggesting that the weapon shouldn't scale with size and that we should make bigger characters for it to be more in-scale concerns me. The point of making a big character with Titanic Weapons is so that he could use AN EVEN BIGGER sword! |
Originally Posted by Obsidius
I want my 7' gargoyle to carry around a great sword as long as he is tall. That's been my character concept since 2000 (the pen and paper days). That's what Titan Weapons should be about.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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That's exactly what I'm saying. If you want your 4 foot midget wielding a monolithic weapon, fine, go for it. However, I want a TITAN sized character to wield my titan sized weapon.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
You don't want them to scale the weapon size to the character height (and I agree) but you want a character that can be even taller so it looks like they can handle the weapons?
It's called Titan Weapons. These are HUGE WEAPONS. If you want a character that looks like they could realistic handle such a weapon, roll a Broadsword/Axe/Mace character When Titan Weapons go live, I want my 5ft tall character holding a bustersword that's taller and possibly even wider than she is |
Having said that, I probably will create a dwarf type character if they create a titan two handed hammer - but that would be the exception.
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You said "won't make a big fuss", indicating if you make a fuss at all, it has to be little. You can't even respond to a simple agreement with a "This.", you had to reply with practically 4 paragraphs.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Your sig doesn't say what you seem to think it says. "I won't make a big fuss about it" isn't the same as "I'll shut up." If the Titanic Weapons are not big enough, I WILL say something about it, especially with David going to great lengths to reassure us. What I promised was that I won't make a big deal about it, and I intend to keep that promise. More or less, I just trust the art team to go whole hog on this one.
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So if you have to ever complain about Titan Weapons (not Titanic), it has to be considered short or little. I don't think you have that in you
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
You said "won't make a big fuss", indicating if you make a fuss at all, it has to be little. You can't even respond to a simple agreement with a "This.", you had to reply with practically 4 paragraphs.
So if you have to ever complain about Titan Weapons (not Titanic), it has to be considered short or little. I don't think you have that in you |
I'm not sure I've seen any sneak-peeks for Titan Weapons, are there any? I don't have a particular concept for a character yet, but might if there was a bit of art lying around.
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I haven't seen the set called Titan Weapons yet, but I could be wrong.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
If you have to ever complain about Titan Weapons (not Titanic), it has to be considered short or little. I don't think you have that in you
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Either way, I recognised since the very inception that winding myself up for Titanic Weapons before I knew anything about the set but the name <insert joke here> would be unfair to the studio. It was easy for me to expect the world just because I'm excited and then when I get less than that, have my head explode in angry frustration. That's not going to happen, because I can't hold the studio to task on things they never promised and that I just imagined in my mind.
However, there are a few things that "the studio" in general and David Nakayama in particular have promised. One of those is that the weapons are big. Specifically in reply to my bringing up the Legacy Broadsword for women, he said the weren't just going to make these weapons slightly bigger, and that they were taking the idea seriously. Someone official also posted a pic of the only three weapons we know of - the Buster sword, the railroad crossing sign and "that other thing." I can, therefore, expect at least those three weapons, in at least a very large size, because that much has been officially promised. If that doesn't happen, I will be upset.
By contrast, a tech sword for Titanic Weapons has never been promised. If Titanic Weapons come out and we DON'T get a supersized version of the Tech Sword (like I hope it will) and it's all severed lamp posts and uprooted trees and giant elongated rocks and a drive shaft + transmission + V8 engine and so forth, then I'll be disappointed, but have just myself to blame for getting my hopes up. Then I'll have to scramble and find SOMETHING to do with Stardiver, because that would be catastrophic.
Secondly, the set isn't called Titanic "Swords," but Titanic Weapons, and we've actually only seen one sword out of three props. We also know (or at least have a pretty good guess) that the set will deal Smashing damage. I intend to use the set to swap out my current Sword/Inv Scrapper to a TW/Inv Brute with a giant sword... If there actually IS a giant proper sword in there. If there isn't, I'll be disappointed, but again - we were never promised a giant claymore or a giant scimitar or, really, "a sword" at all, therefore I have nothing to hold against the studio.
You seem to have gotten the impression that I'm somehow promising to become a level-headed person, and that's unlikely to happen if you ran my head through an angle grinder. What I AM promising is to be much more fair to the studio than I have been in the past. No personal attacks, no holding them to task for things they didn't promise because "that's what the game is about," no incessant whining I didn't get precisely the thing I wanted which was never even on the drawing board. Probably no drawing "large picture" conclusions based on minor details.
But at the end of the day, we're banking on the set bombing and... Honestly, I'm not actually worried about that. If I were, I wouldn't have planned three characters who will use it before I see a iota of a finished product
I choose to be optimistic on this, and if my optimism fails, well, that's my own fault, isn't it. If their promises fail, on the other hand...
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Sorry, did I sound hostile or pedantic? Not trying to be. It's just my attempt at counter-torture since he makes so many bleeding long posts and I get doped into reading them.|
Originally Posted by Arctic_Princess
Lay off the man. And while you're at it, let the bees out of your hat.
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Long story short - I don't think Titanic Weapons is going to suck |
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Sorry, did I sound hostile or pedantic? Not trying to be. It's just my attempt at counter-torture since he makes so many bleeding long posts and I get doped into reading them.
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Even longer story short: I want to see the female model scale increased to match the max height of the male model, then I want the height scales on all three models increased to match Noble Savage, a Fake Nemesis or a Greater Devoured, whichever is most convenient.
I DO want weapons to scale with model HEIGHT, but I don't want weapons to scale with model GENDER, so I want my giant woman to have a bigger weapon than my tiny woman, but I don't want my giant man to have a bigger weapon than my giant woman.
Those really should be three separate threads, however.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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What my dream of a true titan weapon size and possibly shape?
ya it's not your typical Cloud sword but damn I would kill to have a giant skeleton snake or even normal giant snake for a titan weapon.
Sorry, you'll have to wait for Titan Whips for that customization...
Although I can agree, I'd make several duplicates of a certain character: Fire/Shield, Titan Weapon/Inv and a Titan Whip/Stone Brute
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there's always just the Bustersword which we know we will have Sam.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I haven't seen the set called Titan Weapons yet, but I could be wrong.
Either way, I recognised since the very inception that winding myself up for Titanic Weapons before I knew anything about the set but the name <insert joke here> would be unfair to the studio. It was easy for me to expect the world just because I'm excited and then when I get less than that, have my head explode in angry frustration. That's not going to happen, because I can't hold the studio to task on things they never promised and that I just imagined in my mind. However, there are a few things that "the studio" in general and David Nakayama in particular have promised. One of those is that the weapons are big. Specifically in reply to my bringing up the Legacy Broadsword for women, he said the weren't just going to make these weapons slightly bigger, and that they were taking the idea seriously. Someone official also posted a pic of the only three weapons we know of - the Buster sword, the railroad crossing sign and "that other thing." I can, therefore, expect at least those three weapons, in at least a very large size, because that much has been officially promised. If that doesn't happen, I will be upset. By contrast, a tech sword for Titanic Weapons has never been promised. If Titanic Weapons come out and we DON'T get a supersized version of the Tech Sword (like I hope it will) and it's all severed lamp posts and uprooted trees and giant elongated rocks and a drive shaft + transmission + V8 engine and so forth, then I'll be disappointed, but have just myself to blame for getting my hopes up. Then I'll have to scramble and find SOMETHING to do with Stardiver, because that would be catastrophic. Secondly, the set isn't called Titanic "Swords," but Titanic Weapons, and we've actually only seen one sword out of three props. We also know (or at least have a pretty good guess) that the set will deal Smashing damage. I intend to use the set to swap out my current Sword/Inv Scrapper to a TW/Inv Brute with a giant sword... If there actually IS a giant proper sword in there. If there isn't, I'll be disappointed, but again - we were never promised a giant claymore or a giant scimitar or, really, "a sword" at all, therefore I have nothing to hold against the studio. You seem to have gotten the impression that I'm somehow promising to become a level-headed person, and that's unlikely to happen if you ran my head through an angle grinder. What I AM promising is to be much more fair to the studio than I have been in the past. No personal attacks, no holding them to task for things they didn't promise because "that's what the game is about," no incessant whining I didn't get precisely the thing I wanted which was never even on the drawing board. Probably no drawing "large picture" conclusions based on minor details. But at the end of the day, we're banking on the set bombing and... Honestly, I'm not actually worried about that. If I were, I wouldn't have planned three characters who will use it before I see a iota of a finished product I choose to be optimistic on this, and if my optimism fails, well, that's my own fault, isn't it. If their promises fail, on the other hand... |
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I'm sure many will find it amusing making a 4 foot dwarf with a 10 foot long weapon, but personally I'd like a character who looks like he/she can realistically handle the weapon.
My suggestions:
1) Addition of another foot in height to the male Huge model.
2) Creation of a female huge model or addition of another foot to the female model.
The concepts that I have in mind are:
- A huge "Shrek" type ogre.
- A rather large female barbarian wielding a huge broadsword or Axe.
I sincerely hope they dont intend to scale the weapon size to the character height. It was done like that in DAOC, with some rather disappointing results.
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