That doesn't work with existing canon. The reason Calvin Scott became the leader of the Resistance is because his wife is able to resist Tilman's powers, making his mind completely impossible to read and his presence completely impossible to detect, making Calving "the last free man" in practical terms. While it's very possible that Aurora is pretending to be Shalice and she's pretending to not be able to read his mind and she's pretending to not know where she is, but this becomes such a convoluted plot that it snaps any sort of narrative cohesion over its knee with a sickening crack.
The Praetorian storyline - as contained on Praetorian Earth itself - is pretty much the game's single best continuity, partly because it's new and partly because it was all planned out at once. It's the game's most stable storytelling, so introducing bizarre and tangled plots to just that stands to destroy more than it gains.
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This is basically one of a few "best" scenarios I see for the end of Calvin Scott's storyline, the other being him "rescuing" Aurora only for her to hate him for what he's become. I could also see him "freeing" her, and her spurning him because she doesn't want to be freed.
More than likely, Tilman won't be vanquished from Aurora regardless, since that would make the repetitiveness of the raid when it happens exceptionally notable (plus they'd have to change Mother Mayhem's sprite if they ever wanted her to reappear in the story). So "Aurora's in charge" or "Leave me with Mother, you monster!" seem a bit more likely.
But either way, as long as Calvin Scott gets the despair he most decidedly deserves, I'll be satisfied.
I could see her ending up as another Primal Vanessa DeVore where even freed from the influence of Shalice, Aurora has become so corrupted by her influence that she chooses to continue on the same path.
That way even if you succeed in destroying/removing Tilman, Mother lives on.
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But either way, as long as Calvin Scott gets the despair he most decidedly deserves, I'll be satisfied.
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So, for me, the most apt ending for the Scott/Mayhem story would be for Calvin to kill Mother Mayhem while she's still lugging around Aurora's body, because "The Cause is more important than my feelings for my wife." Then our player heroes (with the player villains dragged along, because this'll presumably be co-op) have to take Calvin down. In this scenario, Calvin essentially damns himself to becoming exactly what he claims to fight against, with the added irony that he's incapable of even seeing the possibility that he's done so.
(This'd also have the added benefit, in my opinion, of making the Resistance look a little less perfect. I've never liked the not-so-subtle subtext of "Resistance good, everyone who doesn't join it bad" in Praetoria. In a superheroic adventure story, the protagonist should be the player character, not a political party.)
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Or... you know... we could defeat Mother/Tilman and Aurora will be freed and Calvin and Aurora will live happily ever after once Aurora joins Calvin's crusade in bringing down Cole because she's been used.
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I see Praetorian Calvin Scott as one of those characters who's incapable of understanding the possibilty that he might ever be wrong. (In fact, a lot of Praetorian characters are like this, Tyrant being the most obvious example.)
So, for me, the most apt ending for the Scott/Mayhem story would be for Calvin to kill Mother Mayhem while she's still lugging around Aurora's body, because "The Cause is more important than my feelings for my wife." Then our player heroes (with the player villains dragged along, because this'll presumably be co-op) have to take Calvin down. In this scenario, Calvin essentially damns himself to becoming exactly what he claims to fight against, with the added irony that he's incapable of even seeing the possibility that he's done so. (This'd also have the added benefit, in my opinion, of making the Resistance look a little less perfect. I've never liked the not-so-subtle subtext of "Resistance good, everyone who doesn't join it bad" in Praetoria. In a superheroic adventure story, the protagonist should be the player character, not a political party.) |
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I think the problem with that is that if the villain doesn't realize the sin, then the punishment is meaningless. If Calvin Scott remains unrepentant to the last, he gets to think he dies a martyr, and doesn't really get what he deserves. Hence why I'd really rather seen him driven mad from grief and despair before we take him down.
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So, for me, the most apt ending for the Scott/Mayhem story would be for Calvin to kill Mother Mayhem while she's still lugging around Aurora's body, because "The Cause is more important than my feelings for my wife." Then our player heroes (with the player villains dragged along, because this'll presumably be co-op) have to take Calvin down. In this scenario, Calvin essentially damns himself to becoming exactly what he claims to fight against, with the added irony that he's incapable of even seeing the possibility that he's done so.
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Or... you know... we could defeat Mother/Tilman and Aurora will be freed and Calvin and Aurora will live happily ever after once Aurora joins Calvin's crusade in bringing down Cole because she's been used.
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And he quite posisbly might die because of us - like if it comes to the point where the only way to defeat Mother Mayhem is to kill her, along with the trapped Aurora, then Calvin might not be able to bring himself to help us do it, and might even turn against us.
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I have a feeling that Calvin might have to die to get full closure - he's so dedicated to revenge now, and so much a product of the dictatorship, that it seems hard to imagine him ever being able to go back to being normal, even with Aurora back with him.
And he quite posisbly might die because of us - like if it comes to the point where the only way to defeat Mother Mayhem is to kill her, along with the trapped Aurora, then Calvin might not be able to bring himself to help us do it, and might even turn against us. |
Really, the only "good" ending I can envision for Aurora would be for someone to use Cole's cloning technology to create a second body, which she could then either inhabit or force Tilman's consciousness into. Or maybe Tilman might use the tech to create a new body for her, maybe from stored cellular samples lying around somewhere, and Aurora could reclaim her own body.
I've always loved the creepiness of the Aurora/Shalice mindmeld leftover trauma, like we got a brief hint of in the comic arc where everyone lost their powers and Sister Psyche went crazy. I think that's a great storytelling hook that's criminally underutilized.
As for Calvin Scott, I can't see a "good" ending for him. At all. He doesn't deserve one, anyway.
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Maybe they'll force Tilman out, and she'll jump into Calvin's body?
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(This'd also have the added benefit, in my opinion, of making the Resistance look a little less perfect. I've never liked the not-so-subtle subtext of "Resistance good, everyone who doesn't join it bad" in Praetoria. In a superheroic adventure story, the protagonist should be the player character, not a political party.)
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Or... you know... we could defeat Mother/Tilman and Aurora will be freed and Calvin and Aurora will live happily ever after once Aurora joins Calvin's crusade in bringing down Cole because she's been used.
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Hahaha! You poor fool, this is PREATORIA! You want a happy ending? Here it is- JUST KIDDING! Did you just take down the head of the Seer network? Guess what?! You have to betray primal earth and shackle Sister Psyche to the seer network instead to take Mother's place!
Did you free Katie Douglas? Well put her back in the seer network!
Oh! Noble Savage made it out! Hooray! Better start counting his days because he's living on borrowed time.
Was the Carnival of Light the only beacon of good in Praetoria? Guess what? Half of their members are now evil and insane! Oh! And thirty levels later THEIR LEADER IS DEAD!
Oh, and by the way, everything you've been doing has not made a bat bugger of good difference in the long run.
Sorry, Rapthorn, you forget, Praetoria does not give happy endings, only kicks in the loins.
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Hahaha! You poor fool, this is PREATORIA! You want a happy ending? Here it is- JUST KIDDING! Did you just take down the head of the Seer network? Guess what?! You have to betray primal earth and shackle Sister Psyche to the seer network instead to take Mother's place! Did you free Katie Douglas? Well put her back in the seer network! Oh! Noble Savage made it out! Hooray! Better start counting his days because he's living on borrowed time. Was the Carnival of Light the only beacon of good in Praetoria? Guess what? Half of their members are now evil and insane! Oh! And thirty levels later THEIR LEADER IS DEAD! Oh, and by the way, everything you've been doing has not made a bat bugger of good difference in the long run. Sorry, Rapthorn, you forget, Praetoria does not give happy endings, only kicks in the loins. |
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Hahaha! You poor fool, this is PREATORIA! You want a happy ending? Here it is- JUST KIDDING! Did you just take down the head of the Seer network? Guess what?! You have to betray primal earth and shackle Sister Psyche to the seer network instead to take Mother's place! Did you free Katie Douglas? Well put her back in the seer network! Oh! Noble Savage made it out! Hooray! Better start counting his days because he's living on borrowed time. Was the Carnival of Light the only beacon of good in Praetoria? Guess what? Half of their members are now evil and insane! Oh! And thirty levels later THEIR LEADER IS DEAD! Oh, and by the way, everything you've been doing has not made a bat bugger of good difference in the long run. Sorry, Rapthorn, you forget, Praetoria does not give happy endings, only kicks in the loins. |
- When Mother Mayhem is defeated, Aurora expells her from her body and blasts her conciousness into oblivion. All of those attached to the Seer Network are freed and contacted for help by Sister Psyche, Penelope Yin (Primal), Auora Borealis (Primal), Penelope Yin (Praetorian) and Wu Yin (Praetorian).
- Katie Douglas is now the NEW head honcho of the Mother of Mercy Hospital - now renamed - Katie Douglas' School of Psychic Arts and has been refurbished. The whole of First Ward is also rid of the threat of Devouring Earth which have since been wiped out, their leader - Hamidon - destroyed by Incarnates from Primal Earth.
- Noble Savage - realizing his short life span - did the noble thing and sacrificed himself in the fight against Cole. He died pinning a no longer Well of Furies empowered Cole to the ground whilst the Freedom Phalanx launched an Incarnate charged Tsar Bomb at them. This was done in a city that had been ravaged by the Devouring Earth so no casualties were sustained... bar Cole and Noble Savage of course.
- The Carnival of Light succeeded in pushing back the Devouring Earth in First Ward and won the other Carnivals round. In one massive army they annhilated the Devouring Earth and Carnival of Talons. Vanessa DeVore - longing for a quiet life - now lives in a shack in an undisclosed forest. It is said that young sorcerers and sorceresses pilgrimage to her shack for one special day of training which is said to empower them phenominally. However, due to her shack being well hidden... no one, as of yet, has been trained by her.
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...is really Praetor Scott?
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...is really Praetor Scott?
A crazy idea popped into my head the other day. It was prompted by Posi making a comment about a "really cool cutscene" when asked if Praetorian Calvin Scott would ever get his wife back. I started thinking about what might make an especially dramatic scene, and this is what I came up with. Mother isn't Shalice Tilman in Aurora Scott's body; Aurora had the power to resist the transfer, and simply pretends to be "Tilman" to have the power and authority she gets as a Praetor. Shalice Tilman is either a prisoner in Mother's mind, or simply doesn't exist any more.
Anyway, that's my crazy idle time post for today. What do you think, or what crazy lore theories do you have yourself?
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