VIDEO: Mind/FF AV Soloing. No Temp Powers. No -Regen
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Posted on: 2011-09-07 23:04 in Controllers
It was all your Light Fairy's work!
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So it was you who was shouting all over PI's broadcast 
Good job. It's about time we give AVs access to IOs aswell.
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I was gonna make a series of videos to the same effect with my mind/kin, but seeing as my phantom pets were the ones doing all the work, i felt it was worse than using temps =/
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Yeah, I'm more partial to the WarTroller way of doing things, myself. The pets would be slaughtered if I couldn't hold the AV aggro. And I never would have beat Marauder if I couldn't generate enough damage without using pets to nearly match his regen rate after the first set of pets expired.|
Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
I was gonna make a series of videos to the same effect with my mind/kin, but seeing as my phantom pets were the ones doing all the work, i felt it was worse than using temps =/
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It's just more fun going toe-to-toe for me.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
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Also, I really feel it needs to be said that the method for getting these incarnate powers is taking "grind" to a whole new level. Who the heck wants to run the same two missions over and over again ad nausium?
Not sure how the Devs expect to expand their player base with this kind of thing. It's absolutely mindnumbing.
Also, I have 6 GB of RAM on my system and Lamda grinds it to a scretching halt with lag. Frying someones computer just so you can have a bazillion wood crates in your warehouse is bad game design.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
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Nice AV solo. I only had made a 50 fire/kin and got bored with troller |
Originally Posted by magicj
Also, I really feel it needs to be said that the method for getting these incarnate powers is taking "grind" to a whole new level. Who the heck wants to run the same two missions over and over again ad nausium?
Not sure how the Devs expect to expand their player base with this kind of thing. It's absolutely mindnumbing. Also, I have 6 GB of RAM on my system and Lamda grinds it to a scretching halt with lag. Frying someones computer just so you can have a bazillion wood crates in your warehouse is bad game design. |
Everything is mind numbing in this game. AE farm enter, aoe, exit, repeat. Mission enter, aoe, click item, exit, repeat.
I only have 4 gb of ram and run trials all the time with out lag. It's your cpu and video card most likely.
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Agreed. Not a bad run but I'd have been more impressed if you did this without the incarnate pets but still congrats. I wonder if you could if you had say mace mastery for the pet and -res.|
Originally Posted by magicj
Yeah, I'm more partial to the WarTroller way of doing things, myself. The pets would be slaughtered if I couldn't hold the AV aggro. And I never would have beat Marauder if I couldn't generate enough damage without using pets to nearly match his regen rate after the first set of pets expired.
It's just more fun going toe-to-toe for me. |
On a related note I need to update my thread since I have more pics of stuff I downed.
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_
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Using incarnate pets totally invalidates the claim to have 'solo'd' these AVs. My emp/psi fender can 'solo' a rikti pylon..just by forting and abing my Vicky incarnate pet. Is that me soloing the pylon? Of course it isnt.
The incarnate pets do insane damage, utterly insane. What's more..they have a recharge value, meaning you cant have them out all the time. Sounds a lot like a temp power to me. Of course you can get technical, and call them Incarnate Powers.
Videos are cool though.
Have you tried it without the pets? You might be able to do it without them seeing as you can tank just fine. Reactive is awesome.
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Yeah, I don't think it's the RAM, I'm still running on 2Gb of RAM with no lag on any of the trials. (most of the time)
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Originally Posted by Pureshadow2
I only have 4 gb of ram and run trials all the time with out lag. It's your cpu and video card most likely.
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It's definitely my video card. It's a crappy Intel card. But the point was there's no need to fry it showing me a bazzilion wooden crates. With just a half a bazillion wooden crates I'd get the idea that the warehouse is a warehouse and it'd give my computer a break.|
Originally Posted by Pureshadow2
I only have 4 gb of ram and run trials all the time with out lag. It's your cpu and video card most likely.
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Originally Posted by MisterD
Using incarnate pets totally invalidates the claim to have 'solo'd' these AVs. My emp/psi fender can 'solo' a rikti pylon..just by forting and abing my Vicky incarnate pet. Is that me soloing the pylon? Of course it isnt.
The incarnate pets do insane damage, utterly insane. What's more..they have a recharge value, meaning you cant have them out all the time. Sounds a lot like a temp power to me. Of course you can get technical, and call them Incarnate Powers. Videos are cool though. |
My own opinion on what is "soloing" is if you're the only player there, you're soloing. Some forms of soloing may be more or less impressive to some folks than others, but it's still soloing. For me, an Illusionist going to the store to buy +Recharge to make their unkillable pets perma and using them to "solo" an AV isn't particularly impressive. But I still consider it to be soloing.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
It was all your Light Fairy's work!.
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That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
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Game balance: How I miss thee... |
Originally Posted by magicj
I've put together a couple of videos of my Mind/FF WarTroller build soloing AVs. With the new incarnate powers, there's no need for temp powers or even any -Regen.
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Hey, I didn't say that!
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Originally Posted by magicj
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Using incarnate pets totally invalidates the claim to have 'solo'd' these AVs. My emp/psi fender can 'solo' a rikti pylon..just by forting and abing my Vicky incarnate pet. Is that me soloing the pylon? Of course it isnt. The incarnate pets do insane damage, utterly insane. What's more..they have a recharge value, meaning you cant have them out all the time. Sounds a lot like a temp power to me. Of course you can get technical, and call them Incarnate Powers. Videos are cool though. |
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My Bad. I was in a hurry and messed up the quotes. I'll fix it. |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Hey, I didn't say that!
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That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
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Building a WarTroller
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
Have you tried it without the pets? You might be able to do it without them seeing as you can tank just fine. Reactive is awesome.
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Originally Posted by Boomie
I wonder if you could if you had say mace mastery for the pet and -res.
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That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
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What are you the Solo Police? Alot of powers have 16min cd's. That doesnt make them temporary powers.|
Originally Posted by MisterD
Using incarnate pets totally invalidates the claim to have 'solo'd' these AVs. My emp/psi fender can 'solo' a rikti pylon..just by forting and abing my Vicky incarnate pet. Is that me soloing the pylon? Of course it isnt.
The incarnate pets do insane damage, utterly insane. What's more..they have a recharge value, meaning you cant have them out all the time. Sounds a lot like a temp power to me. Of course you can get technical, and call them Incarnate Powers. Videos are cool though. |
I dont see why people get nerdy on these things. Well you use incarnate power and an inspiration at 5.01. According to my pocket protector, inspirations are not your powers.
Their in the mission by themselves. Sounds solo to me.
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Ok I tried to keep it as close as I could to your version. How does this build look? Instead of the heal from EE you could get rebirth and be just as good.|
Originally Posted by magicj
I haven't tried alternate builds for soloing AVs. It's possible they'd work. Using an incarnate pet that had -Regen (I think Longbow and one of the robots have it) would also speed things up. The polar pets I'm using only have -Defense, which doesn't add much for me in this situation.
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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Mind Control
Secondary Power Set: Force Field
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
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Power Pool: Presence
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery
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Level 4: Deflection Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 6: Confuse -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(7), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(7), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(9), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(9), CoPers-Conf%(11)
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Level 10: Mass Hypnosis -- CSndmn-Acc/Rchg(A), CSndmn-EndRdx/Sleep(37), CSndmn-Acc/EndRdx(39), CSndmn-Sleep/Rng(39), CSndmn-Acc/Sleep/Rchg(39)
Level 12: Insulation Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 16: Boxing -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(45), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Hectmb-Dam%(46)
Level 18: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GA-3defTpProc(19)
Level 20: Dispersion Bubble -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Enzym(21), HO:Enzym(21), HO:Enzym(50)
Level 22: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Enzym(23), HO:Enzym(23)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(25)
Level 26: Tactics -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(27), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(27), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(29), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(29), GSFC-Build%(31)
Level 28: Terrify -- Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(40), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Ragnrk-Knock%(42)
Level 30: Provoke -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(31), Taunt-I(31)
Level 32: Super Speed -- Zephyr-ResKB(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(33)
Level 35: Mass Confusion -- Mlais-Acc/Rchg(A), Mlais-EndRdx/Conf(36), Mlais-Acc/EndRdx(36), Mlais-Conf/Rng(36), Mlais-Acc/Conf/Rchg(37), Mlais-Dam%(37)
Level 38: Force Bubble -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Poisonous Ray -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 44: Scorpion Shield -- HO:Enzym(A)
Level 47: Summon Tarantula -- Achilles-ResDeb%(A), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg(48), S'bndAl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), S'bndAl-Acc/Rchg(48), S'bndAl-Dmg/EndRdx(50), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Detention Field -- Acc-I(A)
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface
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Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
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It might work, but the only way to know is to try it. EE (plus accolades) puts you at the HP cap and Aid Self keeps you there. This is really important when fighting AVs. It and the defense are what let you take the hits from AVs. Rebirth will also put you at the HP cap, but your total HP will slowly drop during the duration of the power, meaning you're no longer at the cap. |
Originally Posted by Boomie
Ok I tried to keep it as close as I could to your version. How does this build look? Instead of the heal from EE you could get rebirth and be just as good.
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Will this mean the difference between success and failure? They only way to know is to try.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
Here's a 3rd video showing a different way to solo an AV with a WarTroller. This method only works with the Mind/FF variant of WarTrollers. It uses a confused boss. This method:
● Uses no temp powers
● Uses no incarnate pets
● Uses No -Regen
The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lINTZmjGDUo
This method could also be used to supplement the method that uses incarnate pets in cases where the AV is not killed during the first use of the incarnate pets. When that happens, you have to keep the AV below 100% health while waiting for the incarnate pets to recharge. This takes 10 minutes. During that time you could provoke the AV to a location with a waiting boss, confuse the boss, and have him add to your damage until the incarnate pets recharge.
I first used this method to solo Ruladak the Strong way back in the pre-ED days after he wiped out the team several times.
The succes of this method is very much dependent upon how much damage the boss can do to the AV. In some cases the boss is just not up to the task and the method fails. An example is trying to solo Chimera. The boss will throw caltrops on the ground and because he's confused, they affect him. This causes him to run away slowly instead of fighting the boss.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
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Aid Self isn't really needed IMO but if you are against using any inspis ever then it could be useful(I limit myself to only greens if I do use any inspis). In all of my solo antics I really only had to use EE for when an AV/GM gets lucky and hits me through my defense. If you are really worried about them hitting you, you could always drop provoke and pick up hover and stay ranged against melee oriented AV's and stay in melee for ranged oriented ones. I always just use EE as a heal instead of thinking more hp since an AV can still two shot you with all that hp anyway. When I suggested going rebirth I was refering to the +regen one since you could always PFF and regen pretty quickly.|
Originally Posted by magicj
It might work, but the only way to know is to try it. EE (plus accolades) puts you at the HP cap and Aid Self keeps you there. This is really important when fighting AVs. It and the defense are what let you take the hits from AVs. Rebirth will also put you at the HP cap, but your total HP will slowly drop during the duration of the power, meaning you're no longer at the cap.
Will this mean the difference between success and failure? They only way to know is to try. |
Provoke could really be skipped altogether TBH since you can maintain aggro just by attacking. The only up side I like about a taunt is that it keeps GM's that like to run from debuffs on you but since you really won't have much in the debuff department they shouldn't run very much to begin with.
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
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Well, I'd be interested in seeing a video of all this working. It's very different from my own style and it's alway nice to see new ways of doing things. |
Originally Posted by Boomie
Aid Self isn't really needed IMO but if you are against using any inspis ever then it could be useful(I limit myself to only greens if I do use any inspis). In all of my solo antics I really only had to use EE for when an AV/GM gets lucky and hits me through my defense. If you are really worried about them hitting you, you could always drop provoke and pick up hover and stay ranged against melee oriented AV's and stay in melee for ranged oriented ones. I always just use EE as a heal instead of thinking more hp since an AV can still two shot you with all that hp anyway. When I suggested going rebirth I was refering to the +regen one since you could always PFF and regen pretty quickly.
Provoke could really be skipped altogether TBH since you can maintain aggro just by attacking. The only up side I like about a taunt is that it keeps GM's that like to run from debuffs on you but since you really won't have much in the debuff department they shouldn't run very much to begin with. |
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
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Who really gives a **** what you consider the "correct" way to defeat a bag of hp with bad a.i is?
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Originally Posted by MisterD
Using incarnate pets totally invalidates the claim to have 'solo'd' these AVs. My emp/psi fender can 'solo' a rikti pylon..just by forting and abing my Vicky incarnate pet. Is that me soloing the pylon? Of course it isnt.
The incarnate pets do insane damage, utterly insane. What's more..they have a recharge value, meaning you cant have them out all the time. Sounds a lot like a temp power to me. Of course you can get technical, and call them Incarnate Powers. Videos are cool though. |
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I have some old build videos in my sig of me taking down av/pylons with mace mastery. I need to make some using earth mastery but I've honesly been lazy doing it....|
Originally Posted by magicj
Well, I'd be interested in seeing a video of all this working. It's very different from my own style and it's alway nice to see new ways of doing things.
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I'd love watching different playstyles myself since it makes me want to try doing things differently.
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
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Ok..it is your opinion. In mine, I hardly see how an ill troller getting a few extra rech is somehow less impressive than you using incarnate pets. And you also go on to say the use of temps is ok. Fine. So Ill get my emp fender again, with shiven, amy, wolfpet, HVAS, 3 nukes, incarnate pets, hit my RAs, and watch the av get murdered. And claim I am fully wicked for soloing it. Since the goal was to kill the AV..should not matter how it died obviously.|
Originally Posted by magicj
My own opinion is if the goal is to kill the AV and you kill it, that's all that matters. In fact, if the goal is to kill an AV, I'd recommend temp powers over incarnate powers. Temp powers are much more powerfull and take less time to get.
My own opinion on what is "soloing" is if you're the only player there, you're soloing. Some forms of soloing may be more or less impressive to some folks than others, but it's still soloing. For me, an Illusionist going to the store to buy +Recharge to make their unkillable pets perma and using them to "solo" an AV isn't particularly impressive. But I still consider it to be soloing. Light Fairy Pet FTW!!!!!1! |
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Originally Posted by Pureshadow2
What are you the Solo Police? Alot of powers have 16min cd's. That doesnt make them temporary powers.
I dont see why people get nerdy on these things. Well you use incarnate power and an inspiration at 5.01. According to my pocket protector, inspirations are not your powers. Their in the mission by themselves. Sounds solo to me. |
I've put together a couple of videos of my Mind/FF WarTroller build soloing AVs. With the new incarnate powers, there's no need for temp powers or even any -Regen. You can find them here:
Part 1: WhisperWitch Vs. Chimera and Nightstar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Xkx5-ymWM
Part 2: WhisperWitch Vs Marauder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md6TYC3ZpCc
Hope you like them.
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WhisperWitch Vs. Nightstar
Here's a 3rd video showing a different way to solo an AV with a WarTroller. This method only works with the Mind/FF variant of WarTrollers (it might work for Illusion/FF too, but I've never tested it. It would require Illusion to not use its pets, and Illusion is pretty gimped without them). It uses a confused boss. This method:
● Uses no temp powers
● Uses no incarnate pets
● Uses No -Regen
The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lINTZmjGDUo
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WhisperWitch Vs. Shadowhunter
Here's a 4th video, this one vs Shadowhunter. It includes a high speed recording of the entire timed mission, to give an idea how the Mind/FF WarTroller build works vs things other than AVs. This mission settings include:
● Player equal to 4 players
● Bosses
● AVs
The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nml5LEtyjig
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This video is Vs a rikti pylon, several AVs, and the Scrapper Challenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfck_URQSTc
I've had a chance now to test a few different configurations of incarnate powers. For soloing AVs and such, I'd currently suggest Void as the AoE (for its -damage), Longbow as the pet (for it's range, damage, and -Regen), Ageless for the buff (for its +Recharge and +Recovery), Reactive for the debuff (for its -Resistance), and Muscular for the Alpha (For +Damage).
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage