New i21 'Invincibility' tech for the game proper?

Whilst musimg on the posdibilities for using the new i21 'invincibility' tech from the new 'tutorial' map Galaxy's Last Stand in the MA, I was struck by the though that maybe it might have its uses in the post 'tutorial' game.

In the new 'tutorial' map, toons cannot die. They take damage until they're at 1HP and then stop losing HP no matter how many attacks they recieve from mobs or The GM that they 'fight' in the climax to the map.

I think this could open up interesting possibilities for players who'd like to see content they might have difficulty with normally in the 1-50 game.

It could be a purchaseable power from the Paragon Store. A buyable 'I Win' button lol

Obviously, when this was toggled on, all rewards would have to be switched off. Mobs defeated would have to give no xp, inf, badge progress, drops or any other reward, just as they don't count for rewards in GLS.

With nothing gained, this would not be exploitable, and since its not the same as everything conning grey, people still wouldn't be able to solo TFs etc.

The devs could even make use of tge new Invincible mode by using it for set-pieces in future canon arcs.

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

I don't think this will be a good idea. Imagine group play with someone having that toggle on, for whatever reasons - No rewards/exp/inf at all for the whole team ?

That's what the Mission Drop feature is (partially) for. This sounds too abusable in my opinion, since you can't void the unlocks that specific missions provide. For instance, you can run your Trapdoor or Honoree mission from Ramiel with this on and though you won't get the influence from the mission that you don't even need, you'll still progress through the arc.

Personally, I'd rather see about making more missions possible to run proper than giving such an out.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

The toggles would would have to be greyed out in PvP zones and the Arena.

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

I can see a use for this in exploring. I enjoy wandering around parts of the game, looking at the environment and the way the mobs are interacting in it.

But I can't see using it interactively in missions. The final mission in Vincent Ross' arc is dull enough already, thank you. I don't need more experiences like that.

Count me as one against this idea. The whole purpose of not dying in the tutorial is so players can focus more on getting a feel for the game. If anything the "I win" button concept you want to introduce will only encourage sloppy and reckless play styles, discourage people from learning anything about playing CoH, and just cause more grief than it's worth. Overall this is a bad idea, and I'm glad that devs have not, and never will, introduce this feature into the game.

There's already two missions in the game which have Invincibility: Mender Ramiel's "Future Memory" mission on the Alpha unlock arc and Vincent Ross's "Revelation" finalé mission from his arc, both of which are tied to Incarnate powers.

I must admit to wanting to have more arcs like this like another Future Memory type mission but I can't see a purchasable power being a plausable purchase.

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What an interesting way to grief. You want to give me a power that when I toggle it on my teammates don't get rewards.

The only way I could see the Invincibility tech on a player-use power would be as a Tier 9 in a future defensive set. You hit it, but in 30 seconds, you'll be defeated automatically. Make the ultimate defensive power with the ultimate crash.

Hell. Freaking. NO.

Sorry, but I also hate the Invul tech in the tutorial.
Why? Well, it makes an important part of the tutorial, i.e. learning things null and void. And what part of an MMO is more important, besides XP, then getting your face kicked in and finding out how hospitals work?

Getting beaten up happens. It sometimes happens a lot. I'm not one of the 'I love Debt!' brigade, but I do think there is a place you have to draw the line, and this is getting to it. I know already people seem to be totally ignorant of 'aggro range' and the like.

Just...yeah, no. No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I asked Ghost Rider what he thought of your idear

Actually that's existed since Going Rogue. It's in that tutorial too. Was a real surprise when I discovered it!

I'm not fond of this idea outside of a few scripted scenarios, like they exist in the game now. Part of the game is that risk. Part of the joy of exporation is finally having it be safe enough to travel through to explore the new zone (or finding a way around it via getting to the level to take invisibility or such).

I wouldn't throw a fit if they made it available with all the previously mentioned limitations to prevent problems, I just would probably never utilize/purchase it.

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I could see this being used as a free phase shift power choice, except without the drawbacks of phase the game now has. It would be used to ghost missions and such, no doubt.