Doctor Who as CoH character?
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Posted on: 2011-08-03 01:11 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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The 'looking into the untempered schism' thing is from new who, which is canonical, yes, but the whole of classic who treats the Time Lords as an wntore species rather than a caste or class of one. |
Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie
I always got the impression that very few were chosen to go and look into the time vortex and actually choose a new name and become a time lord, but that this alternate state had become synonymous with Gallifreyans, when it existed more as a superhero/higher class structure, and the name caught on as synonymous because they had most of the dealings with the outside universe.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Originally Posted by Finsplit
How quickly we forget the Third Doctor's mastery of Venusian aikido (as ably performed by Jon Pertwee's really obvious stunt double). Maybe the Doctor could be a MA/Regen scrapper?
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I just remembered that the Fourth Doctor has a swordfight in the Androids of Tara, too. It's more swashbuckling than Broadsword, though, so if we ever get a Swashbuckling set, a few of those powers would do. Come to think of it, Tennant's Doc has a bit more of a Broadsword-ey swordfight in The Christmas Invasion, although he's not as good at it as Tom's Doctor was.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Originally Posted by docbuzzard
OK, I'm a bit fuzzy. What exactly is the difference?
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Big deal, retcons happen all the time in Dr Who. If you look at the old Who, regeneration was as simple as changing hats. When Lalla Ward became the Doctors (Tom Baker) companion as one of the Romanas she tried on half a dozen bodies before the Doctor accepted the one she liked.
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
The 'looking into the untempered schism' thing is from new who, which is canonical, yes, but the whole of classic who treats the Time Lords as an wntore species rather than a caste or class of one.
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I assume that Romana's leisurely, controlled regeneration is the default mode (see also: K'anpo in "Planet of the Spiders"). The Doctor usually only regenerates when he's on the brink of death, so the process is more traumatic and he has less control.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
If you look at the old Who, regeneration was as simple as changing hats. When Lalla Ward became the Doctors (Tom Baker) companion as one of the Romanas she tried on half a dozen bodies before the Doctor accepted the one she liked.
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Anyway, all versions of the show tend to use "Timelord" to mean "the species that lives on Gallifrey", rather than a specific rank ("You look human!" "No, you look Timelord.")
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It seems to be one of those "facts" that was vague at different times.
Everything from the new series seems to assume that all Gallifreyans are Timelords.
But from the history, Gallifreyans became Timelords, since Rasilon was the first. So, at some point in time you had Gallifreyans who weren't Timelords, but then at some further point in time, all of them seem to be.
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There were those Gallifreyans who lives out in the wastes, outside of civilization. I don't think those counted as Time Lords (again from Invasion of Time).
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Originally Posted by Rezarus
It seems to be one of those "facts" that was vague at different times.
Everything from the new series seems to assume that all Gallifreyans are Timelords. But from the history, Gallifreyans became Timelords, since Rasilon was the first. So, at some point in time you had Gallifreyans who weren't Timelords, but then at some further point in time, all of them seem to be. |
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Originally Posted by Rezarus
It seems to be one of those "facts" that was vague at different times.
Everything from the new series seems to assume that all Gallifreyans are Timelords. But from the history, Gallifreyans became Timelords, since Rasilon was the first. So, at some point in time you had Gallifreyans who weren't Timelords, but then at some further point in time, all of them seem to be. |
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Originally Posted by docbuzzard
There were those Gallifreyans who lives out in the wastes, outside of civilization. I don't think those counted as Time Lords (again from Invasion of Time).
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I'll go watch some old episodes and dig into my library to find some evidence
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Well the most recent episode of DW indicated that the timelords gained their special status by living near the time vortex. That over time they changed and gained what made them special. This is what makes Melody Pond the MacGuffin in the episode. Because she was conceived in the TARDIS she has some of the changes that the timelords display.
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Originally Posted by docbuzzard
There were those Gallifreyans who lives out in the wastes, outside of civilization. I don't think those counted as Time Lords (again from Invasion of Time).
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I am unashamedly a massive DW nerd, and I'll fight to the death to argue against the Doctor's species being Gallifreyans who include a class called the Timelords ROFL
I'll go watch some old episodes and dig into my library to find some evidence Eco. |
Where Doctor Who is just an old eccentric earthborn scientist that invented a time machine.
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And has infinite auto completes so he can skip the boring ones. And can't be played on Sundays.
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
He'd be an annoying crazy hair'ed ally who keeps completing the missions before you have a chance to do them.
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In the past they've explained that away as peculiar to female Time Lords.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Big deal, retcons happen all the time in Dr Who. If you look at the old Who, regeneration was as simple as changing hats. When Lalla Ward became the Doctors (Tom Baker) companion as one of the Romanas she tried on half a dozen bodies before the Doctor accepted the one she liked.
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According to the BBC (and pretty much common knowledge among DW fans), the Cushing movies (thete were two iirc) are not canonical. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I guess you forgot all about this film
Where Doctor Who is just an old eccentric earthborn scientist that invented a time machine. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Het off topic did you ever see that horrible softcore dirty film ABDUCTED BY THE DALEKS? Truly the worst film ever made. |
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
According to the BBC (and pretty much common knowledge among DW fans), the Cushing movies (thete were two iirc) are not canonical.
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Bernard Cribbins, the much-loved British actor who plays Wilfred Mott in New Who, appeared in the other Cushing movie, 'Daleks – Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D', incidentally, and he's said that it was way back then in the 60s that he first thought about putting paint on the Dalek's eyestalks. He finally got to try out his anti-dalek strategy Decades later in The Stolen Earth.
Wilf rocks.
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EDIT: if MMs had an old age pensioner pet powerset, Wilf and The Silver Cloak could be represented lol.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Somewhat related thought I've been thinking about. Mainly in regards to AT and powersets, how would you do a Dalek?
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Originally Posted by Agonus
Somewhat related thought I've been thinking about. Mainly in regards to AT and powersets, how would you do a Dalek?
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The Doctor can't be a CoH character. It would be struggling far, far too hard to make him one. CoH is all about combat, and he is very much not about combat. Even if we were to turn The Doctor in upon himself, his appearance would also be extremely difficult to replicate. I cannot think of a single incarnation that you would not experience very obvious and grating inaccuracies with.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I guess you forgot all about this film
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No, no I don't believe I can forget about them.
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Yes he can. Whenever there is combat the Doctor always ends up as the Mastermind and the people he's helping fight for him like good little henchmen.|
Originally Posted by BeyondReach
The Doctor can't be a CoH character.
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Mercs would probably be the best to represent the soldiers of Unit, with Forcefield or Traps as secondary
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Or, y'know, if it's the classic series he'll just just straight up kill you.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Yes he can. Whenever there is combat the Doctor always ends up as the Mastermind and the people he's helping fight for him like good little henchmen.
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In the new series he'll just kill your babies.
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Originally Posted by Agonus
Somewhat related thought I've been thinking about. Mainly in regards to AT and powersets, how would you do a Dalek?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Or date them. |
Originally Posted by Zikar
In the new series he'll just kill your babies.
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Or date them.
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I think even the toad sweepers on Gallifrey can regenerate!
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