Quick Question Regarding Current Veteran Rewards
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-07-28 24:45 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I was wondering the same as I too store my respecs and tailor tokens until I need them.
The devs have said repeatedly: We will not lose anything we have gained once freedom goes live (vet, badges, costumes, server slots etc).
You will only lose access to a few things if you switch to premium but I think even then you will still keep all the vet rewards.
Explanation from the official website:
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So basically, the existing veteran rewards are converted to the new system. You can spend the new system's Reward Tokens on what you had before, but there's also leeway to choose a slightly different progression of rewards because some months' of content is now in the same tier - like, if you're at (making these up - the real numbers can be found elsewhere) 36 months, and tier 3 is months 33 to 42, then you can choose to spend your 33 and 36 month tokens on the 39 and 42 month rewards instead of the 33 and 36 month rewards you currently have. I'm pretty sure there was a thread somewhere dedicated to going over different scenarios, but the site was the fastest way to find an official link.
When the Paragon Rewards program begins, Veteran Rewards and subscription time in City of Heroes® convert to Reward Tokens. You earn:
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Does 'gained' mean claimed, or will the rewards be still be hanging in my vet badge list waiting for every character I currently have and will make?|
Originally Posted by _Klaw_
The devs have said repeatedly: We will not lose anything we have gained once freedom goes live (vet, badges, costumes, server slots etc).
You will only lose access to a few things if you switch to premium but I think even then you will still keep all the vet rewards. |
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Originally Posted by ScottyB
Explanation from the official website:So basically, the existing veteran rewards are converted to the new system. You can spend the new system's Reward Tokens on what you had before, but there's also leeway to choose a slightly different progression of rewards because some months' of content is now in the same tier - like, if you're at (making these up - the real numbers can be found elsewhere) 36 months, and tier 3 is months 33 to 42, then you can choose to spend your 33 and 36 month tokens on the 39 and 42 month rewards instead of the 33 and 36 month rewards you currently have. I'm pretty sure there was a thread somewhere dedicated to going over different scenarios, but the site was the fastest way to find an official link.
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If it's the former, I won't be inclined to claim all my respecs that are available to all my characters and just claim them when I need them. If it's the latter, I'd rather claim all my respec's, tailor tokens, etc. I'll get the points either way from the veteran status. See what I'm saying?
Also, would one of these Paragon Tokens grant a respec to every character I have/will ever make, or will it be for only one character respec per token? That would be very different from the current system, and kind of goes into the question I'm asking here.
I know they're saying we won't 'lose' anything. The respec's and whatnot would still be available to us, but it may be quite functionally different in definition from how it works now.
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I couldn't agree more.
They've said you don't lose access to anything you've already unlocked, including respecs, character slots, etc.
I think that kind of means we won't lose access to anything we've already unlocked.
I'm not sure how to read it any other way. o.o;
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I'm kind of figuring that's the case, but it's just the way some things I've seen worded, 'converting to the new system' 'can claim other rewards' etc. I'm sure we won't lose access to costume pieces and other things that are auto-unlocked, or already claimed on any given character. I was just curious about the things we can claim on our vet badge list that we may not have already.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
They've said you don't lose access to anything you've already unlocked, including respecs, character slots, etc.
I think that kind of minds we won't lose access to anything we've already unlocked. I'm not sure how to read it any other way. o.o; |
Everything points to the fact that they will still be right there in your list for every character you make, but then they say everything's getting converted to the new system... I just want to make sure they are not mutually exclusive terms.
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I couldn't agree more.
Anything you have earned via the Vet Reward system will be pre-selected for you in the Paragon Rewards Program. This way you can't put a character into a state where they have a reward they have not selected yet.
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Originally Posted by Positron
Anything you have earned via the Vet Reward system will be pre-selected for you in the Paragon Rewards Program. This way you can't put a character into a state where they have a reward they have not selected yet.
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Originally Posted by Positron
Anything you have earned via the Vet Reward system will be pre-selected for you in the Paragon Rewards Program. This way you can't put a character into a state where they have a reward they have not selected yet.
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Now is clearer.
I had my doubts if I had to take all the rewards I have from scracht.
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Thanks so much for the reply!! I was curious how that was going to pan out.|
Originally Posted by Positron
Anything you have earned via the Vet Reward system will be pre-selected for you in the Paragon Rewards Program. This way you can't put a character into a state where they have a reward they have not selected yet.
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Okay, that's good to know, and saves me a lot of headache knowing this. I'll be sure to pass this on to a couple of SG mates who were wondering similiar things.
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I couldn't agree more.
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If it is gonna be pre selected for us does it still cost us one of our paragon tokens?
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Originally Posted by Positron
Anything you have earned via the Vet Reward system will be pre-selected for you in the Paragon Rewards Program. This way you can't put a character into a state where they have a reward they have not selected yet.
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*bangs head on desk*
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
If it is gonna be pre selected for us does it still cost us one of our paragon tokens?
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I think I have a good understanding of the new rewards system, however the same canned reply from red names doesnt clear up some confusion. If I have selected all of my respecs from current system when the new system goes live will I get all of the repecs again? Or will the system take in account what I have used already?
Also while I assume it will still be per character and not per account can this be officially confirmed.
Btw the way I understand it is the tokens you receive WILL be applied to the rewards you have already unlocked. So you will not have the FREEDOM to select what you wish to take with previous rewards only with the future tokens you receive.
Another question I have is since certain vets will be screwed out of the city traveller now that travel is available at lvl 4 what do we receive in place of the city traveller reward? Oh please more chest emblems that never get used like the Greek symbol!!!!
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From what I understand, this is how it works.|
Originally Posted by NeoGenesis
I think I have a good understanding of the new rewards system, however the same canned reply from red names doesnt clear up some confusion. If I have selected all of my respecs from current system when the new system goes live will I get all of the repecs again? Or will the system take in account what I have used already?
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Let's say that you have 10 total respecs available that you've earned through Veteran Rewards. On Character A, you've used 3 of them. On Character B, you've used all 10. On Character C, you've used none of them.
After the conversion, you will get a glee-mail Certificate on all of your characters for however many you have left. So the Respec vet reward will be taken out of your badge menu and put into your Certificates. Character A will have seven of these Certificates you can redeem at any time. Character B won't have any. Character C will have all 10. If you create a new Character D, he will start with 10.
I don't know how it can be much clearer; it really is a one-for-one match for the existing system. The only thing that changes is where you claim the reward--in the glee-mail system instead of on the badge menu. Everything else is identical.
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Originally Posted by NeoGenesis
Btw the way I understand it is the tokens you receive WILL be applied to the rewards you have already unlocked. So you will not have the FREEDOM to select what you wish to take with previous rewards only with the future tokens you receive.
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Originally Posted by NeoGenesis
Another question I have is since certain vets will be screwed out of the city traveller now that travel is available at lvl 4 what do we receive in place of the city traveller reward? Oh please more chest emblems that never get used like the Greek symbol!!!!
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All your respecs already used are still gone, the system still flags them redeemed. And the respecs should be per toon.|
Originally Posted by NeoGenesis
I think I have a good understanding of the new rewards system, however the same canned reply from red names doesnt clear up some confusion. If I have selected all of my respecs from current system when the new system goes live will I get all of the repecs again? Or will the system take in account what I have used already?
Also while I assume it will still be per character and not per account can this be officially confirmed. Btw the way I understand it is the tokens you receive WILL be applied to the rewards you have already unlocked. So you will not have the FREEDOM to select what you wish to take with previous rewards only with the future tokens you receive. Another question I have is since certain vets will be screwed out of the city traveller now that travel is available at lvl 4 what do we receive in place of the city traveller reward? Oh please more chest emblems that never get used like the Greek symbol!!!! |
Bad attempt at sarcasm aside, under the new system you still need to fill up every "slot" in a Tier before moving to the next Tier- wether you use the reward or not. And yes, all the slots will be auto-filled in for rewards you've already recieved.
I don't see how you are getting "screwed" out of City Traveller anything. If you already have the reward, you now get it 2 levels EARLIER. And if you were not even close to the reward, you are getting something years ealy...
The only thing missing would be the badge itself, and I'm sure that is being made aware to the Devs in Beta.
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One thing that I was wondering that a friend of mine brought up--that he is planning on canceling the game over, in fact--is what about the free character slots we currently receive? I mean, I know we'll keep the ones we have going into Freedom, but I don't believe the new vet reward system has those listed anywhere. Will we still get them just as an automatic every year thing? My friend says he's being cheated out of the character slot he would have gotten in November or so.
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Technically he's missing the November reward I believe, but he should also have enough Paragon Points banked (they started accumulating 7/1 I believe, 400 per month) to pick up 5 new slots in the market for "free". Also, they have said that the tier 9 VIP rewards will be rotated oput regularly- I wouldn't be surprised to see "extra" slots as a VIP Tier 9 reward.
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Originally Posted by catwhowalksbyhimself
One thing that I was wondering that a friend of mine brought up--that he is planning on canceling the game over, in fact--is what about the free character slots we currently receive? I mean, I know we'll keep the ones we have going into Freedom, but I don't believe the new vet reward system has those listed anywhere. Will we still get them just as an automatic every year thing? My friend says he's being cheated out of the character slot he would have gotten in November or so.
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Pre-selected would imply that it does indeed use our PRTs.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
If it is gonna be pre selected for us does it still cost us one of our paragon tokens?
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I'm pretty sure this is sarcasm, but...|
Originally Posted by NeoGenesis
Another question I have is since certain vets will be screwed out of the city traveller now that travel is available at lvl 4 what do we receive in place of the city traveller reward? Oh please more chest emblems that never get used like the Greek symbol!!!! |
Don't be greedy. City Traveler was not the only reward at 60 months, you also received a character slot and 5 Reward Merits. From what I understand, some of the lower level unlocks are things like Path Auras, so City Traveler will be replaced by some or all of the new things on the Paragon Rewards table.
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Given that character slots are not listed in the comparison I suspect they are indeed not a part of the Paragon Rewards Program.|
Originally Posted by catwhowalksbyhimself
One thing that I was wondering that a friend of mine brought up--that he is planning on canceling the game over, in fact--is what about the free character slots we currently receive? I mean, I know we'll keep the ones we have going into Freedom, but I don't believe the new vet reward system has those listed anywhere. Will we still get them just as an automatic every year thing? My friend says he's being cheated out of the character slot he would have gotten in November or so.
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That means the real question is is this something worth quitting over? I'm inclined to say no. True, we are no longer getting free character slots through veteran rewards however are are getting a monthly stipend to spend in the store. Effectively the free slots have been shifted from the rewards system to the stipend. Is that better or worse? Well, it depends how you look at it.
According to Zombie Man's price guide 5 character slots will be 1600 points under the new system. Presumably smaller quantities will follow a similar pricing scheme to the current one giving 480/800/1600 for 1/2/5. So what that means is that a person who really wants new slots can acquire 2 every 2 months (or 5 every 4) without spending a dime, in practical terms acquiring slots faster than under the current veteran rewards program and without spending any money.
The essence of Freedom is choice and the monthly stipend is a large part of that. It allows you to customize what you get for your subscription dollars by purchasing upgrades that are important to you and ignoring whatever you don't want.
I'm curious about the Going Rogue Enhancements that are part of Tier 7. I already have them so will I need to spend a token to buy them again?
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If you're past tier seven, no.|
Originally Posted by Golgothen
I'm curious about the Going Rogue Enhancements that are part of Tier 7. I already have them so will I need to spend a token to buy them again?
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If you're before tier seven, no.
If you're before tier seven, and want to go to the next tier, yes.
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Blah. I was afraid of that.
I should be on Tier 7 when Freedom hits.
thanks for answering
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My guess is yes you will. From what the devs have said there is no way to "skip" a reward, you have to get all rewards in one tier to open the next. To put it another way, the GR Enhancements have been added to the system to "fill in" the holes in the current rewards. Several of the current veteran rewards (45 and 69) lack any bonus beyond the regular repeating respec rewards. As such they a few new bonuses (Seismic Path and the GR Enhancements) to fill out the tree. Now supposing instead of switching to the Paragon Rewards they had kept the Veteran Rewards but added the GR Enhancements to the 69 month reward, would you expect to be able to skip that level and go straight to 72 months?
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Originally Posted by Golgothen
I'm curious about the Going Rogue Enhancements that are part of Tier 7. I already have them so will I need to spend a token to buy them again?
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I'm sure this has been brought up somewhere else, but my search-fu failed me.
I know we're technically going to gain more from Freedom, but what about what we already have?
I mean, when Freedom launches, will we keep all our current vet reward badges/awards available to us in the pull-down badge menu, or do we have to claim them all before the changeup, or something else? Basically I don't claim every tailor token, respec, sprints, pets, base items, and sometimes even powers, etc. on most characters until I have need of them. However, I'd hate to lose them in the changeover.
I'm asking now because I have alt-itis, and I'd like the head's up in advance if I'm going to have to go through them and claim all this stuff on them before launch
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I couldn't agree more.