City of Heroes:Freedom news from Comic-Con San Diego!


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Archon here in San Diego after coming home and relaxing from preview night of Comic-Con. Out of everything there, I spent most of my time playing and trying out the new Freedom version of the game. I enjoyed it so much I couldn't help but share what I've found and collect more data as Comic-con goes on.

First we'll start with what everyone is most interested in. The new powerS. That's right, plural. I didn't try out Time Manipulation, but I did play with the other two sets, Beam Gun and Street Justice.

Beam Gun is a single target focused power set that acts as a primary for Blasters and Corrupters and secondary for Defenders. The damage numbers look low, but the set relies on a special debuff that makes Beam Gun powers deal significantly more damage, somewhat similarly to Sonic Attacks. Expect more details on exact powers in a future post. Beam Guns are primarily Energy damage.

Street Justice is a combo-centric melee power set for all the melee archetypes(Brute, Scrapper, Stalker, Tanker). All the powers have their own secondary effect as opposed to other sets like Dark Melee that focuses on to-hit de-buffs. Most of the set's powers and combo points that make your Finisher powers stronger. This isn't the same as dual blades in that it's not going toward a buff, but almost like a Rogue in WoW. Street Justice is mostly Smashing and Lethal damage and the attacks are punches and a couple kicks with some lighting effects.


The next important part of Freedom is the freedom to make any non-epic archetype either a hero or villain. This is a choice at level one and allows players to by-pass Going Rogue, making the expansion a tool to switch sides and an interesting story mode.

The choice to be on either side comes from the new tutorial that is for all archetypes. Galaxy City is under extreme Shivan attack. Both Arachnos and Long Bow are on the scene trying to drive them back. A new super powered person trying to save your earth from invaders, you fight your way past the Shivan till you find a hero nearly dead on the ground. You are given the choice to save(hero) or leave(villain) the man on your way to the center of the Shivan invasion. Inside you fight waves of Shivan much like the events in Praetoria until a giant Shivan pops up. Fight him till he crawls away and you can now move on to the newly renovated Atlas Park and Mercy Island.

Yes, I said NEWLY RENOVATED. I don't have a lot of details because I spent more time going through the tutorial with different characters, but new graphics, some NPC replacement, and a lowbie trial are to be expected. Yes, they turned the Sewers into a trial. It takes about 45 minutes, but you get 4-5 levels out of it. Not quite the lvl 1 to 8 grinding it used to be, but that's what we get.

With a new business model comes a new way to spend our money. City of Heroes will have an in game shop where all the current booster pack costumes and possibly other content will be obtainable. Part of the new tutorial actually teaches you how to use it by having you "purchase" a free medal from the shop.

The final stop on this post will be the biggest. A new character creation interface. I'll divide this into page by page sections so it's more organized, but before we touch on those I must say the look of the interface is much fresher and more appealing.

1st- You select either Going Rogue or Freedom and your character's origin. Unless you select an origin you will not be able to access the other pages. If you select an epic-archetype and the wrong origin, the game will send you back to this page with the correct origin now selected for you.

2nd- I call this the Filter for New Players. Basically, you select options such as Ranged Damage, Melee Damage, Support, Summons, Control, etc. and on the next page only archetypes that fall under that group will be shown. If you don't select a filter here all the archetypes will appear on the next page.

3rd- Archetype selection. I love what to this. If you remember clicking Blaster and seeing Health: Low, Damage: High and thinking that's pretty vague then you'll be happy for this. On the screen there are about 6 different specs that I don't currently remember and each is rated 1-10. I'm going to make sure to examine this element well.

4th- Power Selection. I dislike what they did here only because I keep forgetting to choose a secondary. Basically, it's 1 page with 2 built in tabs. You have to choose your primary and then click the tab within the page to select the secondary and I was more focused on other things at the time. It might not be a huge problem though.

5th- Body Build. Mostly the same, but spruced up like all the other pages were.

6th- Costume Creation. Ever wanted to see what you would look like with any costume available in the game? Now you can. The new Costume creator lets you try on what you have yet to purchase, but will not let you finish the character with those pieces on. the left/right buttons for selecting pieces are smaller and harder to click and the buttons all seem different to me... it's just something to get used to, I suppose, as someone who doesn't do a whole lot with costumes.

7th- Power Customization. Same quirks with Costume Creation, but as of yet I don't recall any different options for this function.

8th- Register. Like the final portion of the old character creation, except it doesn't look like an up close look at your driver's license. It now has the same look as the rest of the process and works just as well.

One thing about the new interface I forgot to mention is that you can select your character's name from any page via a text box at the bottom of the screen.

Archon Helios, signing out.


 

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Wow. I'm actually looking forward to i21 now. Beam Gun sounds awesome, and so does the new 'freedom' of AT selection.


 

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Keep up the good work and keep us updated!


 

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... See, I think it's funny that this is turning people from "Oh god not Freedom" to "Hey, that's kinda cool."

Personally, I think that sounds obnoxious. The new character creation interface sounds like an insult to the user's intelligence, and ditching the sewers seems like yet another drastic inconsistency toward their ever-changing opinion on farming and grinding.

And I liked the Breakout and Outbreak tutorials.


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... See, I think it's funny that this is turning people from "Oh god not Freedom" to "Hey, that's kinda cool."

Personally, I think that sounds obnoxious. The new character creation interface sounds like an insult to the user's intelligence, and ditching the sewers seems like yet another drastic inconsistency toward their ever-changing opinion on farming and grinding.

And I liked the Breakout and Outbreak tutorials.
The character creation screen is nothing glamorous and even for me it's a bit of headache finding the right costume pieces - so if this has been streamlined and made any easier, I'm all for it.

I hated the Breakout and Outbreak tutorials. Avoided them like the plague. I like knowing there's now one tutorial and I get to make a morality choice then instead of at level 20


 

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... See, I think it's funny that this is turning people from "Oh god not Freedom" to "Hey, that's kinda cool."

... Personally, I think that sounds obnoxious.
I'm firmly in that first camp.

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... The new character creation interface sounds like an insult to the user's intelligence,
insulting how? it reads essentially the same, except for the new second page that helps sort out the... 14(?) different archetypes we have for new players to avoid overload? And you can skip it? sounds fine to me.

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and ditching the sewers seems like yet another drastic inconsistency toward their ever-changing opinion on farming and grinding..
I don't see how turning the sewers run into an established part of the game is 'ditching it', but I guess we all interpret things differently.

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And I liked the Breakout and Outbreak tutorials.
So did I.

In fact, I thought the outbreak tutorial was one of the best tutorials in any game, period. But that doesn't mean I am not enthusiastic to see this effort to liven up the game experience and evaluate it for myself.


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Awesome.


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Street Justice I'm going to have to see a lot more of before I make a decision on it but for now? Eh I'm not feeling it.

I know a "Down and dirty, back-alley" martial arts style has been a hotly requested feature, but it really feels like something that would have been better suited as just customization for MA. The features it seems to have would have been great for some kind of transformation-based set, with each transformation having a different effect.

Furthermore, if they were going to go out of their way to make a "Street fighting" set, I would have hoped it involved more unique aspects instead of kicks and punches. Use of "Dirty Fighting" tactics like throwing rocks/bricks, slinging mud/dirt/sand in the enemy's eyes poisoning weapons, spiked knuckles/brass knuckles, that sort of thing. I'm sure it has all of the new animation team's signature flare and will look amazing, but said flare would have been better for MA if it was just going to be more kicks and punches. I can(and have) make a passable Kicking & punching dude/chick already.

Giving me a different thing that's just a new "Flavor" of the same thing when I could have gotten
A:something completely new or
B: More flavor added to the existing thing
doesn't sound encouraging.

Finally, if it visually fits certain characters more(and it probably will) I'll have to consider re-rolling in the future, versus a simple visit to the tailor.


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I would have hoped it involved more unique aspects instead of kicks and punches. Use of "Dirty Fighting" tactics like throwing rocks/bricks, slinging mud/dirt/sand in the enemy's eyes poisoning weapons, spiked knuckles/brass knuckles,
How exactly would one sling sand in a sewer? Or office for that matter? I don't think CoH is designed - yet - to allow us to use our surrounding environments as weapons.

Things like spiked knuckles, brass knuckles - those are all costume details


 

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Street Justice I'm going to have to see a lot more of before I make a decision on it but for now? Eh I'm not feeling it.

I know a "Down and dirty, back-alley" martial arts style has been a hotly requested feature, but it really feels like something that would have been better suited as just customization for MA. The features it seems to have would have been great for some kind of transformation-based set, with each transformation having a different effect.

Furthermore, if they were going to go out of their way to make a "Street fighting" set, I would have hoped it involved more unique aspects instead of kicks and punches. Use of "Dirty Fighting" tactics like throwing rocks/bricks, slinging mud/dirt/sand in the enemy's eyes poisoning weapons, spiked knuckles/brass knuckles, that sort of thing. I'm sure it has all of the new animation team's signature flare and will look amazing, but said flare would have been better for MA if it was just going to be more kicks and punches. I can(and have) make a passable Kicking & punching dude/chick already.

Giving me a different thing that's just a new "Flavor" of the same thing when I could have gotten
A:something completely new or
B: More flavor added to the existing thing
doesn't sound encouraging.

Finally, if it visually fits certain characters more(and it probably will) I'll have to consider re-rolling in the future, versus a simple visit to the tailor.
While you may not like it, I am betting those of us who primarily play Melee toons are going to love it.


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How exactly would one sling sand in a sewer? Or office for that matter?
The same way that Gravity can throw the kitchen sink out of thin air! =D


 

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How exactly would one sling sand in a sewer? Or office for that matter? I don't think CoH is designed - yet - to allow us to use our surrounding environments as weapons.
Pretty sure Super-Strength characters address that issue with as much disregard as I do.

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Things like spiked knuckles, brass knuckles - those are all costume details
or a click/toggle power with cool animations and "Spike" or "Shiny" effects that adds piercing damage+ DoT. The point here is something to set it apart from "I hit you wif mah hayunds!"


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The point here is something to set it apart from "I hit you wif mah hayunds!"
Because Statesman is covered in brass knuckles, spikes, poison - oh! crap! -That's right! He dus it wif his hayunds!


 

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Originally Posted by Premonitions View Post
Giving me a different thing that's just a new "Flavor" of the same thing when I could have gotten
A:something completely new or
B: More flavor added to the existing thing
doesn't sound encouraging.
Speaking as someone that has generally been unable to get into an MA character and only have one SS character that has made it past the 20s, I am cautiously enthusiastic about another option that may bring a different feel/mechanic to the table and let me get my punch on.
I say "cautiously enthusiastic" because our Devs have rarely disappointed me over the years and I generally wait until I get any new places or tools on my screen with me at the keyboard before I rush to any opinions.

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How exactly would one sling sand in a sewer? Or office for that matter? I don't think CoH is designed - yet - to allow us to use our surrounding environments as weapons.

Things like spiked knuckles, brass knuckles - those are all costume details
Good points, Voodoo Girl.


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Street Justice is a combo-centric melee power set for all the melee archetypes(Brute, Scrapper, Stalker, Tanker). All the powers have their own secondary effect as opposed to other sets like Dark Melee that focuses on to-hit de-buffs. Most of the set's powers and combo points that make your Finisher powers stronger. This isn't the same as dual blades in that it's not going toward a buff, but almost like a Rogue in WoW. Street Justice is mostly Smashing and Lethal damage and the attacks are punches and a couple kicks with some lighting effects.

I'm actually really looking forward to this. I've got two MA scrappers already (one using primarily the kicking animations, the other using mostly punching animations) and while I've tried Kinetic Melee, there's something about all that handwaving I can't really get behind. Another kicking/punching set with a different feel to it might be just the thing for me.


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I hope we can see some videos of the pannel soon!
Street justice sounds awesome to me, I love martial arts, melee archetypes and combat, so I cant wait to see those new combos mechanic, as well as momentum for Titan weapons.
Damn it... The more information we get, the less cant wait for I21.
This is only getting better and better.
Hope they show some new costumes, weapons, faces and much needed new hairstyles.


 

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The character creation screen is nothing glamorous and even for me it's a bit of headache finding the right costume pieces - so if this has been streamlined and made any easier, I'm all for it.

I hated the Breakout and Outbreak tutorials. Avoided them like the plague. I like knowing there's now one tutorial and I get to make a morality choice then instead of at level 20
They changed the visual style of the character creation screen, but I didn't notice any functional changes to it. Same drop down menus. I didn't think to check the chest options, but I'll take a look at them today. If there's still a massive list for those instead of breaking it down into subsections, I'll assume that they haven't done anything to make it easier to navigate costume options.

As to the new tutorial, there's something entire new to it; you hit level 2 before it's over. I didn't play all the way through the tutorial (I wanted to save that for a character on my account), so it might have ended shortly after, but there were still Shivans to fight after training up to level 2.


 

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A few thoughts:

1) The new way to select power options sounds pretty boss; makes things simpler by far

2) Tutorials; I enjoyed them, myself. It takes no more than 15 minutes of your time to gain a quick level to give you that extra punch into whatever zone you were surfacing into. Never mind that the experience gain wasn't accurate.

3) Like Kai, I'm hoping that the devs come up with staves as a powerset so I'm kinda disappointed that didn't happen this time around. Can't wait to see 'Doctor Who' mock-ups when the Time Manipulation stuff comes out. *eyerolls*


 

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Wow. I'm actually looking forward to i21 now. Beam Gun sounds awesome, and so does the new 'freedom' of AT selection.
Thanks. One thing I personally enjoyed about Beam Guns was the VAST number of weapons available from it.

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Furthermore, if they were going to go out of their way to make a "Street fighting" set, I would have hoped it involved more unique aspects instead of kicks and punches. Use of "Dirty Fighting" tactics like throwing rocks/bricks, slinging mud/dirt/sand in the enemy's eyes poisoning weapons, spiked knuckles/brass knuckles, that sort of thing.
I don't recall any of those, but 4th skill in the set, which is actually the only kick I recall atm, is a kick to the shin. Dirty enough for ya? I only really looked at the first four skills yesterday, but I'll get to everything today.

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I thought the outbreak tutorial was one of the best tutorials in any game, period. But that doesn't mean I am not enthusiastic to see this effort to liven up the game experience and evaluate it for myself.
I'm not sure if it's the finished product, but the new tutorial is shorter, more linear and action-y and less going to get some drugs for a guy then goin' to another contact. Not to mention the fight with the Giant Shivan at the end.

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I hope we can see some videos of the pannel soon!
My best piece of "recording equipment" is an Android G1. I also think it's enough if I can go there, get the data into my head, and relay it here for the fellow players.


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Is there a Time Manipulation power that turns your foes into babies? I want to turn my foes into babies.


 

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Beam Gun.

restrained, yet enthusiastic squee.
Considering only yesterday I was pondering how cool it would be to re-create STAR from the Black Hole, my squee was slightly less restrained.


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