I was sold at "put on SOs they enchance much better than IOs".
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depending on what you are doing, he's right
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Originally Posted by Emberly
I was sold at "put on SOs they enchance much better than IOs".
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Originally Posted by Neogumbercules
Entropic Aura (?) is a toggle and acts as a taunt. Also, because it's a toggle that effects enemies it will presumably stick to the rooting/shutting down rules. |
This just occurred to me. If the bolded part is true, then getting mezzed will shut off your mez protection.
That's how they avoided breaking the cottage rule on that power.
Entropic Shield becomes Entropic Aura and gains a recharge boost and taunt effect. As far as I am aware though, it is still your mez protection as well.
Unless taunt is not considered an enemy affecting effect for the purposes of the shutdown mechanic, that could be very problematic indeed.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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I just stopped reading at the "ok listen to me really bad" part.|
Originally Posted by Emberly
I was sold at "put on SOs they enchance much better than IOs".
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I'm seeing a lot of lazy posters lately, it's quite disheartening. A bit of punctuation goes a long way.
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I am interested to hear of such a situation.
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Originally Posted by nytflyr
depending on what you are doing, he's right
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
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This just occurred to me. If the bolded part is true, then getting mezzed will shut off your mez protection. That's how they avoided breaking the cottage rule on that power. Entropic Shield becomes Entropic Aura and gains a recharge boost and taunt effect. As far as I am aware though, it is still your mez protection as well. Unless taunt is not considered an enemy affecting effect for the purposes of the shutdown mechanic, that could be very problematic indeed. |
Hmm /WP RTTC does detoggle but it has a to hit debuff --
What about Invicibility? It has taunt only, right? Does it detoggle? I never play /Invul
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Being a defense set while it might be a drawback - it would't be outragously horrible since you tend not to even get hit by most mezzes (Psi only typed mezzes on /EA would be even less fun though)
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a character locked at 25|
Originally Posted by Emberly
I am interested to hear of such a situation.
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a 25th level Recharge IO = +32.0%
a 25th level Recharge SO = +33.330%
a 28th level Recharge SO = +38.330%
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/File:EnhancementChart.gif
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But why would you ever remain locked at 25? This edge case, while proving your point, doesn't really last very long anyway. Besides, level 35 IO's outperform level 50 SO's, effectively negating any need for re-enhancement until 50 if you deck out with them at 32.|
Originally Posted by nytflyr
a character locked at 25
a 25th level Recharge IO = +32.0% a 25th level Recharge SO = +33.330% a 28th level Recharge SO = +38.330% http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/File:EnhancementChart.gif |
EDIT: And yes, you are right about the +3's being better than IO's. But that doesn't justify saying "use SO's, they're better" when they're numerically inferior in every case but the one you've presented.
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Cmon it's an interesting read ya know why use punctuation in the internet it's a waist of tiem you gotta listn to me real hard nao cuz ur don't have to write good in the internet bro
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
I just stopped reading at the "ok listen to me really bad" part.
I'm seeing a lot of lazy posters lately, it's quite disheartening. A bit of punctuation goes a long way. |
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Originally Posted by Kioshi
Cmon it's an interesting read ya know why use punctuation in the internet it's a waist of tiem you gotta listn to me real hard nao cuz ur don't have to write good in the internet bro
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This. Thanks for the single case where it's true that SOs beat IOs, but it's meaningless. The post described using Footstomp, and at the level the SS/Fire brute gets Footstomp, IOs are most certainly superior.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
But why would you ever remain locked at 25? This edge case, while proving your point, doesn't really last very long anyway. Besides, level 35 IO's outperform level 50 SO's, effectively negating any need for re-enhancement until 50 if you deck out with them at 32.
EDIT: And yes, you are right about the +3's being better than IO's. But that doesn't justify saying "use SO's, they're better" when they're numerically inferior in every case but the one you've presented. |
I also suspect that frankenslotting el cheapo set IOs would outperform SOs, even at level 25, but I have no Mids to back up that suspicion.
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The power types that have a really wide selection of IOs available allow you to get better enhancement values when frankenslotting. The rich melee damage sets indeed let me get to 95% damage, 95% recharge, 46% acc, and 30-38% end reduction at level 25, which is grossly better than SOs (it's equivalent to 8 SOs and a DO.) This is much harder to do on the power types with fewer sets, like Targeted AoE.
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Originally Posted by Emberly
I also suspect that frankenslotting el cheapo set IOs would outperform SOs, even at level 25, but I have no Mids to back up that suspicion.
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Still man I don't think Fire is the best, I seen better Damage Attacks form other Melee Sets that does More Damage then Fire. I believe the only reason people use Fire is because it's a well known thing use against Fire bot in that dumb farm,like Fire/Kin use to be a really big deal on Demon Farms and other types of farms back before AE came out.
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Well well well...... Not to piss everyone off and send everyone into a big ball of rage..... The only reason ii made this thread was to just see what type of answers I'd get and where it would lead to and see if people would change things up hahahaah
Yes I all ready know why //fire is the best farmin build because of it's great dmg output and tagged with Ss with permanent rage.... Holy even better... But yeahh no I made this thread for no real reason Just to see where it would lead when've But keep going on it's getting good haha |
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Both invincibility and evasion on brutes have taunt auras and I can't remember ever having them shut down. I don't specifically remember my claws/sr brute ever being mezzed (although he probably has been) but I know that my dm/inv brute has been sequestered during BAF's at least once and I have never had to retoggle invincibility.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
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This just occurred to me. If the bolded part is true, then getting mezzed will shut off your mez protection. That's how they avoided breaking the cottage rule on that power. Entropic Shield becomes Entropic Aura and gains a recharge boost and taunt effect. As far as I am aware though, it is still your mez protection as well. Unless taunt is not considered an enemy affecting effect for the purposes of the shutdown mechanic, that could be very problematic indeed. |
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I don't remember AAO ever shutting down in cases where things like CoF or a damage aura definitely would. (or even staying on but getting the effect suppressed)
I'm not sure that +taunt alone in an aura categorizes it as an "offensive" power or not. I could also be very wrong.
That aside, man this thread has some gems! 
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1) I lock my farmer at 25 so I can get lvl 25 recipes rolls.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
But why would you ever remain locked at 25? This edge case, while proving your point, doesn't really last very long anyway. Besides, level 35 IO's outperform level 50 SO's, effectively negating any need for re-enhancement until 50 if you deck out with them at 32.
EDIT: And yes, you are right about the +3's being better than IO's. But that doesn't justify saying "use SO's, they're better" when they're numerically inferior in every case but the one you've presented. |
2) look again... a lvl 25 SO is better than a level 25 IO
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a 25th level Recharge IO = +32.0% a 25th level Recharge SO = +33.330% And one more thing (before this spirals out of control) I did say "depending on what you are doing, he's right " |
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You are wrong. You couldnt be more wrong. Wtf...how did you ever get such a stupid idea? PLease, i would love it if you could explain your idea. Maybe list some numbers (of course, that would be better in the Very best farmer thread)
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Originally Posted by GreenFIame
Still man I don't think Fire is the best, I seen better Damage Attacks form other Melee Sets that does More Damage then Fire. I believe the only reason people use Fire is because it's a well known thing use against Fire bot in that dumb farm,like Fire/Kin use to be a really big deal on Demon Farms and other types of farms back before AE came out.
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Originally Posted by GreenFIame
Still man I don't think Fire is the best, I seen better Damage Attacks form other Melee Sets that does More Damage then Fire. I believe the only reason people use Fire is because it's a well known thing use against Fire bot in that dumb farm,like Fire/Kin use to be a really big deal on Demon Farms and other types of farms back before AE came out.
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it's like he's the OP's understudy
Oh yeah, that was the time that girl got her whatchamacallit stuck in that guys dooblickitz and then what his name did that thing with the lizards and it cleared right up.
screw your joke, i want "FREEM"
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You can do that anyway. There's a level slider. <.<
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Originally Posted by nytflyr
1) I lock my farmer at 25 so I can get lvl 25 recipes rolls.
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AAO detoggles because it has a damage debuff.|
Originally Posted by MayorOfAngrytown
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I don't remember AAO ever shutting down in cases where things like CoF or a damage aura definitely would. (or even staying on but getting the effect suppressed) |
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Originally Posted by Aneko
You can do that anyway. There's a level slider. <.<
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Ah yes, that it does. Been a while since I played my shielder.
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Originally Posted by Edana
AAO detoggles because it has a damage debuff.
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My main toon is the best farmer, solo's avs and giant monsters like minions, and can solo most of lambda (can't quite do both sides by myself)
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Originally Posted by Sardan
I know for a fact my character is 35 times better than Comfort's character. I once solo'd the Rikti Mothership Raid just for laughs. I won't tell you what it is, how to make it, or how to play it.
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Also, this thread has gotten quite low. Which is an improvement over the rock bottom where it started.
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I think all types of farms will be around as long as this game is around. Unfortunately, after 7+ years, this game does not offer as many unique experiences as you would think. The same maps, enemy groups and lots of repetition cause players to leave or grow tired of missions, TFs etc.
now for advice on elec / FA go in pull up all of your shields put up your purps and use LR tele to mob then thunder strike then build up for when your recharged then use every power you can then use consume keep doing this and your and official farmer.but also use burn and blazing aura
FM/FA i think you need to get into the mob then start using fire circle and enchance it. after that use your blazing aura thing to get fury up and then burn then attack the bosses with greater fire sword with fury may pack a punch. then get kinda in front of the mob and use incinerate if your out of end use consume
hope you find this info useful
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