Too serious for a game?

This morning I was leading and tanking an ITF. It was not the best run ever to be truthful. I'd like to think I was doing a good job tanking, I tried to cycle my taunts, plenty of aoe's for aggro, but still people were getting hurt and dying, granted there were 7 of us, but I think I was the only level 50, and Im not as powerful as other incarnates out there, but powerful enough to get myself through the ITF intact.

So we weren't able to beat Rommy, not enough damage, Im gutted naturally because I wanted the incarnate reward at the end, but its not like the ITF won't run again and there'll be another chance. But I just got the vibe my teammates were very upset. People left without saying goodbye etc, and as I had star, I just feel like it was my fault. It probably was, maybe I should have insisted somebody get a higher level something or other.

Just feel really bad about how it went.

Bad runs are bound to happen, and it rarely is the fault of one person, so don't take it too hard. Even something as routine as an ITF is going to hit a snag now and again. I've failed my fair share to be sure. If your team mates were upset over a failed TF, then I say good riddance, one star, and move on.

All AV/Giant Monster fights come down to one thing - debuffs.

If you have a debuffer on the team or better 2 - you can always win. If you have just damage it is possible but you will have to use your origin powers. If you are magic you have an inherent debuff.

Or have a player nip and buy some envenomed daggers from WW. I always have a set of envenomed daggers on anyone over 30. Sorry, it didn't work out but the lesson is there - get some debuffs

Wow, Boomtown Nazis are all your fault, because of a failed ITF? Who'd have thunk it?

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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades All AV/Giant Monster fights come down to one thing - debuffs. If you have a debuffer on the team or better 2 - you can always win. If you have just damage it is possible but you will have to use your origin powers. If you are magic you have an inherent debuff.

Massive damage makes everything else irrelevant, but on a team with few 50's then yeah, debuff is your friend.

But I haven't run an ITF or Khan lately where we didn't win simply through superior firepower. ^_^

Too serious? I dunno. It can be pretty frustrating, after all, a lot of time was spent and no one got the reward they wanted.
It might be a game, but time is time.

It doesn't sound like anyone was particularly jerkish about it though, just very frustrated.

Don't dwell on it too much, these things happen.

Ya, just relax about it, prolly just frustration and not really having anything 'helpful' to say.

Although to be honest, I normally don't say anything when I drop from a league now either, [when successful].

I guess you're right, to be fair these were all good people whom I grouped with before, and have no complaint about them whatsoever just want to make that clear, and hope I can group with them once again.

I just felt, I genuinely don't really care that I lost. It was a wipe out, these things happen, but I just thought, was this my fault? Could I have done something better, should I have used my star to bark out more leadership orders?

I suppose Im second guessing myself because I started the whole thing and well, was unable to finish. Im not upset because I didn't win and get the reward, don't give a monkeys about that... what bothered me the most of all, was that the other guys may have felt bad and maybe also felt they wasted their time. I just hope if they read this post they don't have hard feelings about it, and will group with me again in future for a rematch with Rommy.

I just needed a vent because I just wanted to make this my message of the day, being that, its just a game, and we should never forget that and let it come between us.

Lol.

This happend to me one time as well, it was few weeks ago, don't think it was on your team though. If you had a WS in your team, then it might have been me.

Basically went down like you described.
To be honest I was pretty pissed off because ITF by now is one of the easiest lvl 50 TFs. We used to speed run that **** left and right with highest difficulty, yet the ******* old thing had a trick up its sleeve, decided to do a complete 180° and bite me in the ***!! Oh **** !!

Anywho, I was more pissed off at myself. I wanted to try my weaker and newer WS, rather than playing my SOA for 1000th time, which appearantly I should have. The last battle would have been over in an instant.

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Oh yeah don't feel bad about it. I just shrugged it off after 2 minutes and went to play a different video game.

Don't blame the failure all on yourself, just like you wouldn't take all the credit if the effort was successful. I'm sure there were other factors that made the team fall short.

Just dust yourself off and try it again with a new, full team.

Echoing what many of the others said, "Dont worry about it too much" because it does happen now and then.

Its part of what comes in organizing your own tf runs. It can be a big disappointment to all when nobody gets the reward merits or shard component from a successful run. As the tf leader responsible for setting it up, sometimes you feel the disappointment more keenly.

All you can do for next time is pay attention to you gut about your team's composition. Remember, it is not wrong to ask for volunteer(s) to alt to something more beneficial to the team to increase chance of success.

Those voluntarily alting, I would keep my eyes out on their globals because its usually a sign of flexibility and understanding team goals. They might be folks worth getting to know more and having on your global friends list.

Just think back to that scene in Batman Begins, Big Boss. "Why do we fall?"

You led the team to the end, earning them experience, influence/infamy, prestige, recipes, and incarnate shards. You took it upon yourself to form the team from nothing which, looking at the amount of people who are content to sit and broadcast "LFT" endlessly, is a significant accomplishment itself. And you didn't start blaming others when things went south. That's excellent.

Failures happen - in this case, it was a lack of level 50 characters that affected your run. You've learned from it; you can either start denying lower level characters, or maybe pick up a few Vanguard Heavies/Shivan Shards on the off chance that a team make-up like this occurs in the future.

While it can be tempting to go over in your mind what could have been done differently, the best way to put this minor failure in perspective is to just run the trial again and show yourself that this was a fluke. Preferably with chatty, fun loving teammates.

If you're on Virtue, send me an invite and I'll be happy to join you.

Personally, after a failed anything in game, I need a minute or 2 to brood. I know it's stupid and I know it's just a dumb game, but still, I need a minute to be POd. Then I spend another 5 minutes thinking about what could have been done differently. Through temps, tactics and inspirations, I think all pre-incarnate tasks are possible with any team, except for maybe LRSF and STF. Getting 8 puggers on the same page for tactics can be tricky though, especially since by now most everyone has become comfortable with how to deal with Rommy.

Given how trivial ITF can seem when you do it with your level shifted incarnate enabled toon with several of your buddies with the same, then a failure can be pretty jarring.

As with any failure, the main thing is to learn from it and I think the lessons learned have already been covered.

Next time, tell the team to hold on and go to the AH, and buy some Envenomed Daggers

Doesn't sound like survival was the problem. And that little dagger would of helped your team alot

I agree with what everyone else is saying; let that defeat roll off of your shoulders. These things happen.

Also, let me add this--one person doesn't make or break a team. So it's not your fault, it's not any one persons fault. Just bad luck and, perhaps, not enough damage/debuffs. (Both of which can be, to an extent, worked around).

Daggers wouldn't make a difference. The difficulty with rom is doing enough damage to overpower nictus heals (so -Res helps more than -Regen) without getting wiped by the nictus essence with the autohit AoE attack.

Anyway, don't feel bad. Failures happen, etc. I think of them as a learning experience and like to ask what I could have done to change the outcome, if anything.

I'm much more interested in hearing about failed TFs/trials than wildly successful ones. One learns nothing from coasting to success on other people's coattails.

You can always separate the nictus. Even a blaster can keep the healing nictus on him as it deals absolutely no damage. If the autohit nictus is the problem, the tanker can keep it on him at a distance, etc..

I dunno man. I was running a ITF once with 8 people, which became 7, which became 6 by the end. We couldn't take mr nictus, so 2 more people dropped. I was _positive_ we could do it, so I asked the guys if they wanted to give it one or two more goes. With half the team we started with and lots of patience (not patients! people will think I'm working for mother mayhem(which i may or may not be)), we finally crushed him. Ultimately, it comes down to people being willing to be patient and understanding and finding ways to work together. If they couldn't do that, it should be no sweat off your back. Things happen and then you move on.... As you alluded to, its just a game, don't take it so hard.

This has happened to me. This is "NOT" a big deal to me either.

I was on my DOM and essentially was the only real DPS, but I could not reallly do it on my own.

ITF loves some balance but can be doable, but sometimes it just does not work out.

To make you feel better, I have also seen this in the following

~Hammy
~Reichsman
~Babage
~and most recently against Ghost Widow (Did not even get to Recluse) because of a wierd balance of people.

Balance can be an issue, but tanks for some reason think it's their fault. It's not, it's just the luck of the draw sometimes.

You'll get him next time.