This is just too awesome...


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I await a nerd making clothing out of this...


 

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Gotta admit though, the potential usages for this are absolutely staggering!

From mundane stuff like charging your mobile phone on a sunny day via your t-shirt, right up to powered medical equipment in an emergency and more!

Impressive stuff.


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I await a nerd making clothing out of this...
And then renaming himself Cole and fight on the streets using electricity as a superpower?

To the OP: amazing!


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Gotta admit though, the potential usages for this are absolutely staggering!

From mundane stuff like charging your mobile phone on a sunny day via your t-shirt, right up to powered medical equipment in an emergency and more!

Impressive stuff.
i actually don't think people are think on the proper scale with this...

The problem with Solar cells before is cost prohibitive and structure prohibitive.
Today there is a whole procedures of manufacturing and installing them. These anyone could theoretically plaster them on your house and hook them up like a standard generator. The cheapness of the production cost also allows the poorest people to afford it too in various amounts AND considering that you can fold it 1000 times and not get any lose in performance it presumes that these things are somewhat transluscent which means you can layer so someone could layer their roof with 1 layer and get that benefit OR 1000 and get that benefit.

Also the fact that they are so easy to apply and durable apparently they could be thrown around your yard and on things easily. Further more the lightness of this product also helps with electric cars that are weight prohibitive...

So you could presumably you could plaster this stuff all over every where from machines to building to clothes and combine that with wireless electricity technology and you could in theory create a whole new electrical infractructure network that is 100% clean.

Which interesting enough could be catastrophic... Temperature is affected by all the smog we produce in cooling way... and as such the rapid greening effect this could cause could be just as bad as not going green at all.

So now we have a balance to strike between going green and not... where as previously we just had to go 100% green or else!


 

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I await a nerd making clothing out of this...
what?


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The big question is cost per watt which the article doesn't say. The efficiency is only 1% where other "printed" solar cells are in the 7-9% range (Nanosolar) but this process can be used on any flexible surface.


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Which interesting enough could be catastrophic... Temperature is affected by all the smog we produce in cooling way... and as such the rapid greening effect this could cause could be just as bad as not going green at all.

So now we have a balance to strike between going green and not... where as previously we just had to go 100% green or else!
The cooling effect of smog does not outstrip the rise in global temperatures caused by carbon emissions.

Or, to put it another way: smog has a way of masking how much temperatures are rising. It's worse than we think. And a widespread ability to generate electric power without adding more carbon to the atmosphere would be a good thing.


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The cooling effect of smog does not outstrip the rise in global temperatures caused by carbon emissions.

Or, to put it another way: smog has a way of masking how much temperatures are rising. It's worse than we think. And a widespread ability to generate electric power without adding more carbon to the atmosphere would be a good thing.
I won't disagree about global temperature rise, but I do find it highly comical and extremely egotistical that some of our species thinks we are the cause.


 

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I won't disagree about global temperature rise, but I do find it highly comical and extremely egotistical that some of our species thinks we are the cause.
And I think it's adorable that you dispute the overwhelming scientific consensus without any credentials or evidence to back it up. *shrug* That's neither here nor there.


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And I think it's adorable that you dispute the overwhelming scientific consensus without any credentials or evidence to back it up. *shrug* That's neither here nor there.

overwhelming scientific consensus? not even close, and to top it off, all the data from the two major sources has been proven to be falsified or manipulated. it's a political talking point, and nothing else.

and, as to the whole OP story, that's great, would be really neat if we could print out our own solar panels, but we will need to make them efficient. damned things are a great idea, and tend to fall flat in reality.


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overwhelming scientific consensus? not even close, and to top it off, all the data from the two major sources has been proven to be falsified or manipulated. it's a political talking point, and nothing else.
And I think it's adorable that you think that, too. The 'proof' of which you speak is non-existent and independent reviews have stated that there is no substance to those claims of data manipulation.

Next?


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Wow. you guys are actually gonna have a debate on the Global Warming scam? This should be fun to watch. (grabs popcorn and a REALLY comfy chair)


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Wow. you guys are actually gonna have a debate on the Global Warming scam? This should be fun to watch. (grabs popcorn and a REALLY comfy chair)
While science is and should be debated, when the debate comes to "All that science stuff is bunk, because it was cold yesterday..."

That's not science, that's trying to ignore facts in favor of personal preference.


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Let's skip over this argument, shall we, in favour of keeping the thread open? we all already know how it goes: both sides say the other side has faulty data, then after that plays out for a while it turns into arguments about how it's all about money. I have my beliefs, you have yours. Let's keep it at that and focus on the actual story here, which should be of interest to you, no matter which side you are on.


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Oh Arnabus, this coulda got interesting. The scientists and the Goreites going at it. Oh well.

As far as the OP goes I would be all for it. I dream of being "off grid" but NOT have to pay so much the return doesn't come in 10 years! So for me, this is awesome.


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Oh Arnabus, this coulda got interesting.
No. No, it won't get interesting. It will be the same old boring *** crap as always.

There are an untold nuber of places where one can go to discuss this topic. But there aren't as many places to go for CoX stuff.
So, anyone who wants to read the crap or spew it, has more options than those who want just CoX stuff.

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Gleason adds, “Often people talk about deposition on a flexible device — but then they don’t flex it, to actually demonstrate” that it can survive the stress. In this case, in addition to the folding tests, the MIT team tried other tests of the device’s robustness. For example, she says, they took a finished paper solar cell and ran it through a laser printer — printing on top of the photovoltaic surface, subjecting it to the high temperature of the toner-fusing step — and demonstrated that it still worked. Test cells the group produced last year still work, demonstrating their long shelf life.
This part here sounds pretty cool. As an art director, I see huge potential for printed ads and collateral pieces. Business cards that could charge your cell phone. Ads that illuminated when you turn to their page in the magazine. Though, the amount of junk mail I receive would probably get worse...

The large scale applications of this could be game changing for us, I really hope this takes off.


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This part here sounds pretty cool. As an art director, I see huge potential for printed ads and collateral pieces. Business cards that could charge your cell phone. Ads that illuminated when you turn to their page in the magazine. Though, the amount of junk mail I receive would probably get worse...

The large scale applications of this could be game changing for us, I really hope this takes off.
Hell, just think of the changes to product packaging - your bag of chips now has lights and plays the Hallelujah Chorus when you open it.

And this could be huge in developing areas of the world. I read an article about a woman in sub-Saharan Africa who bought some solar panels and started charging her neighbors modest amounts to charge their cell phones, as she lived somewhere without power or phone lines. It completely changed her life and vaulted her into a middle-class lifestyle. Just using them to power lights is huge - you can work during the day and read/educate yourself at night. You could power a water pump with it.

If this lives up to its promises...


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I want to say "wow", but a bit of pessimism is trying to block it...
It's a stalemate so far... (slight edge to my optimism, as I did say "wow", after all).

I'm really hopeful that this takes off (and if it can, that it is not buried by other financial interests).


As for the debate in here... Regardless of any possible agendas, the earth goes through major climatic cycles. How much humans may affect/accelerate these things is indeed debatable, however there is no debate about the various negative affects of pollution and many of the gases and such that humans have been creating (beyond their affect on the Earth's global temperatures).
Is it possible that some people attached a greater significance between certain types of pollution and the global temperature? Sure. Unfortunately, people, in general, only tend to take action and do things differently when they have no choice. It is possible that people drummed up certain facets in order to stir change.
However, none of that defeats all the other myriad of factual damages that the same procedures incur.

So, even if humans aren't contributing to the global warming, they're still messing threatening their own living environment/ecosystem in several ways that can be avoided with the same steps as suggested in the global warming scenario.

Global Warming or not... an ice age will come, as this is what happens. The Earth goes through cycles of many mini ice ages.
As I understand, the global temperature warms up the ice caps... the ice caps melt... that melting ice cools the global temperature...

Overly simplified... it's like ice in a drink. It's really warming up, even if your drink is cooler.

Blah blah blah...
Printable Solar Cells... AWESOME!


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Let's skip over this argument, shall we, in favour of keeping the thread open? we all already know how it goes: both sides say the other side has faulty data, then after that plays out for a while it turns into arguments about how it's all about money. I have my beliefs, you have yours. Let's keep it at that and focus on the actual story here, which should be of interest to you, no matter which side you are on.
The problem is that this kind of thing, where in two parties argue and then you guys go "it's a political thing so shut up" is that this is not a political thing. It's a scientific factual thing that ignorant people made political by twisting facts and presented it to the public to promote a "science is evil" agenda. One side thinks that unqualified known propagandists that aren't basing what they think on a proper understanding of what happened says is true and the other side understands what happened ignores those propagandists and follows the actual articles.

What do I mean?
Well for example global warming is indeed happening. Why is it happening? Several reasons most likely, but one of the reasons we believed was causing it turned out to show weird data that showed that one source wasn't a source of the warming. This is the data that is shown to be "faulty" and "covered up". Scientists thought one source was a cause and it wasn't. This was construed as showing that warming wasn't happening at all because that is what propagandists said it meant. Where in reality what the data shows is that x isn't the source. You could argue that x isn't the source could be inflated to "man" isn't the source, but that is an over generalization when we look at ALL the data, understand it, and don't read it biasly... and this is the scientific consensus.

Oh and by the way... the scientific consensus is not changed by someone that isn't well versed in that field and/or is considered a crackpot in general. There are scientists that don't accept evolution, einsteinian physics, black holes, quantum physics, history, and a whole lot of other things that ARE the scientific consensus and they tend to be poorly educated, have other motives, aren't commenting on their field, have religious or political agendas, or in some cases are just plain nuts.

Now on to the thing that I said about the smog reduction thing. The problem is not that we don't need to get rid of it, but that getting rid of it rapidly could cause a problem. The temperate was higher than usual due to low to no plane flights after 9/11 which confused scientists at first. What they found after investigating is that smog and other such "pollution" is helping to balance the equation to make it seem cooler by several degrees. Who knows what would happen if we suddenly stopped producing all that smog other than it would get real hot real fast until equilibrium was met again in some form it might be that we release a controlled amount of air pollution to repair the damage and not give ourselves heat stroke, or it might be the adoption of this technology is slower than other technology and it just naturally balances itself out.

On the issues of 1% efficiency when they talk about that they mean, if i remember right, 1% of the light energy that hits the cell is converted into electricity while the rest is either lost in conversion or isn't gathered. I think panels we're used to seeing are only like 7-9% efficient, but I'm not looking that up right now. Presumably if you cold layer this the 1% thing doesn't matter if it's light escaping... If that is that the rest of the 99% isn't lost in conversion... because you could just put 7-9 layers of this stuff on anywhere and get the same effect and it would still be lighter and cheaper...if I'm reading this right.


 

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The big question is cost per watt which the article doesn't say. The efficiency is only 1% where other "printed" solar cells are in the 7-9% range (Nanosolar) but this process can be used on any flexible surface.
This was the first comment out of my dear Hubby's mouth when I mentioned this article.

Voltage is one thing, but it's the wattage that really counts.

While the product looks impressive and promising, they need to make it more efficient.

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