Problems with the League Function

The League function is broken please fix it
I would love to enjoy the new content you devs worked so hard to provide for us, unfortunately it is clearly more important to adjust a timer than it is to correct our ability to use the new content.
I have tried over 2 dozen times to run the KIR and have yet to successfully even reach the zone map.
I have tried over 10 times to run Lambda(6+) or BAF(5) and have yet to be able to do so, although I will give that on one Lam the issue was graphics not game function related.

This "feature" of not being able to run a league over I guess the data now supports 19 although I have heard of instances of over 14 or 15 is not a feature at all its BROKEN.

Work arounds, suggested 'solutions', and other creative terminology aside its broken
Timer not broken, inconvenient and impossible to see yes, broken ....no.

So Devs, if you would be so kind fix whats broken, not what isnt

then move on to QoL issues for the community

or perhaps, with fee-dumb(intentional spelling) 2 play in the wings sheer volume is the desire, I guess I need to prepare myself for the fast food mentality from you all.

and the cry went out....

" you expect it to be free and to work? yeah right, you want a timer with that? please pull around to the next window"

Might want to check out your system there are alot of players that enjoy and run all of the Itrials with no problems.

While I am sure the computer itself is a complicating factor, there ARE actual bugs going on that make running trials a bit less than fun: the "you are not in the zone but you are" bug, the "4+ random people got kicked and can't rejoin" bug, the "now my whole carefully constructed team is scattered across 7 teams" bug, and a pernicious memory leak that seems to cause me (and other players) to crash about once every other trial.

Most of those are new with i20.5 and have not been addressed as far as I know.

Honestly your not missing anything You get a whole astral merit and a piece of incarnate salvage. All that and a huge waste of unfun time with the new trial.

Also I would not look for this kind of problem getting better only worse. They have hit a point of not fixing the old bugs and its just compounding with the new ones.

Actully kinda getting sad about there full steam ahead tudes.

To put it into perspective you have to take a look at the incarnate system as a whole. Is it designed to engage a player and build story and game lore? Or give a bunch of 50's sitting around something to put in a few month of grinding to unlock stuff.

It's one mission,1 30 sec story and farm for days per toon. The devs could have added new contacts with multiple missions unlocking Allowing each incarnate ability to unlock at the end same as ALPHA, told a broader story, and unlocked the trials as you unlock each ability. Then have rewards same as TF.

Trials could have been on a timer, and queued only to ensure there are plenty in pool. Though there are many ways they could have tackled the queue and still allow teams without this headache, but all involve treating them like a 1 shot per day deal instead of the repeating farm game play they seem to be encouraging.

They can't even free up a dev to go in and change a few values to change storage capacity from 30 to 100 etc.. why should existing players expect better.

FreePlay means new blood. A new player = Months of playable content.

They could have handled the incarnate progress much better. The IXP should be for the powers, to unlock instead of salvage. Following a power tree idea. Using power creates xp, then players can simply play there characters and get stronger not farm for drops for weeks, the same 1,2 now 3 trials.

Im also having this problem...not always but rwz as i type this has a scattered few cursing.
Those that are getting in without problems good for you your lucky but others are not
its annoying when it happens

Tonight I was booted off 4, count em, 4 BAF attempts.

This is ridiculous.

For those of you not having problems with leagues, such as being booted off teams at load window, extreme lag, Ixp being broken, rewards being broken, teams being jumbled around when it does finally load in, etc.
good for you, but there are definate problems that are not only not being addressed, they are not being addmitted to.
for every one person that claims to not have any problems with leagues, i can for a fact find two people that do on a regular basis.
It is a shame that nothing is being done about it, no plans on it, & they just keep plugging forward with new bugged content on top of old.

I had thought that if something didnt work as intended it was considered broken your new definition Ironblade does give one food for thought, if only you were speaking from real knowledge.

it has been repeatedly stated that we should, and I have, /bug if a feature in the game wasn't working as intended. Since I have a system that meets at least but not limited to, the minimum system requirements, and I have run a fully updated system scan, disc scan and have checked on the manufacturer sites for the latest drivers for my equipment I doubt seriously my computer is the issue. I would also like to state for the record to avoid any further accusations by the community i did all this prior to my first post regarding this issue because I would never question the game before making sure my side of the street was clean.

That all being said I would hope that at some point at some level the game designers/development team would acknowledge these issues so the community would know some action was forth coming.

This is not a rant in any way but simply a post to clarify what steps i have taken to try and address the issue from my end and a plea to the devs at large to at least recognize this issue publicly so so those of us experiencing it can stop being told its our fault by the rest of the community.

When you say "minimum system requirements", I hope you're not going by what NCSoft says is required to play the game. The last time I looked at that, the hardware they described was woefully inadequate - and the trials are some of the most demanding content in the game.

Edit: Just went and looked up the requirements they list. For the minimum, they list a Pentium 3 and 512MB of RAM. I'll reconfirm that this is WOEFULLY inadequate. Their 'recommended' system has a dual core and 2GB of RAM. I would consider that a minimum, assuming you want to do anything that will actually challenge your hardware (like the iTrials).

If you need an example ironblade, its the servers that are more likely the culprit when it takes siege until 11 mins. left to reach the northwall/helipad area in a baf.
Take note, i never called anyone a liar as you implied.
I used the word claim becayse some people notice the problems & lag, some don't bother saying anything & just accept it as the norm.
I have yet to be on a league where there is heavy lag , and even one person says "i don't know what you guys are talking about i'm running just fine".
If your going to twist my words, or read into it the wrong way, try asking what was meant next time instead of throwing out accusations.
If you happen to be in the minority that hasn't experianced any of the problems listed, then again, i say good for you.
For those of us that have, under certain circumstances its unplayable.

To the OP, the minimum system requirements hasn't been updated as far as i know for years. That being said, it needs to be, and not only to log in and play normal content.
They need to base it off the total game experiance, from solo play all the way up to full tfs/sfs, league system, and as far as being able to play at full speed in full raids such as hami & ms raids.

I can go by nothing other than the NC Soft stated minimum, why?... because anything else would be baseless supposition.

Should it be updated, I say yes, but that would mean someone would have to really look at what is required as a minimum, and those dollars are better spent figuring out the paragon point equivalent of the new widget for f2p or giving us a visible timer so we know how long we have to wait for the Trial that may or may not scramble our teams and kick random members over 19.

My only point before i get accused of going on a rant (which this in no way is but rather a condensed version of the issues I feel we are dealing with) is that I don't feel the Devs are addressing it in spite of the numerous /bugs being filed and posts being seen.

Again I plead to the red names

Please acknowledge this issue somewhere, it is real, this is not the monster under the bed.
People are being kicked at 19 or more, teams are getting scrambled, and those of us experiencing it are being told it is our fault, when in fact the issue is in the game.

And before anyone state the obvious I would rather have leagues work than a realistic minimum requirement list

first and foremost, while I do love a good debate. to say the baseless supposition is in fact the requirement is just another, well. baseless supposition. If NC Soft doesn't say its needed then clearly it isn't, wouldn't the game developers know better than anyone what is required to run the game start to finish.

And after all they don't say there is a problem with the league function and you are willing to accept their lack of acknowledgement of the league issue as vindication of your point, along with the fact you have been fortunate enough not to experience it yourself, that it it must be my fault, or at least the fault of my system.


which brings me to my second point, were my system the issue one would safely maintain I would not be able to run any trials, and all my previous data would further support that position....until last night. for you see on a team of limited numbers(under 19 as the bug reports and testimonials have maintained) I was in fact able to participate in a trial, KIR in fact. and although I know one piece of data doesn't mean the magic number of 19 is proven.
it does support the idea my system is not the issue, since I have made no modifications to it or the installation of the game.
Particularly since this data is supported by others in their posts.

Perhaps Ironblade, you are the one who has been speaking 'nonsense', and I in my efforts to bring this problem to the notice of the developers have in fact simply been trying to make the game better.

to the mods:this is not a rant but in fact a triumphant cry of vindication for my point has been given supporting evidence which I hope provides further impetus for the design and development team to at some point acknowledge and address the league issue

Ahh but then you see i would only be able to run some trials, as it stands I have been able to run several, as a matter of fact I have been able to make map fall on every trial I have tried at this point provided they were below the magic 19 sited by many of the other posts.

and I want to be sure i am clear on this, if I can do the KIR with less than 19, but I am not able to run the KIR with more than 19 and this issue occurs before I am ever even able to see beyond the loading screen, I mean not lost map server, but dumped from the league and load back to pocket d or rwz or whatever start point, then I have every reason to believe its not my system its the game

While I appreciate your dogged devotion to the Devs, they, in this case are not doing the job we need of them, to repair a system that is flawed and not functioning as intended, god bless you for your commitment to the belief that the game is never broken its the player, but in at least this case I will have to defer to reason rather than faith, and fact rather than blind devotion.

this issue lies in the game

DEVs Please acknowledge the problem and then before giving us another worthless timer or silly bit of costume please fix the issue so we can all use it the way you intended.

While I will admit that the METHOD of the above argument leaves a bit to be desired... there ARE clearly problems with the game that are causing issues.

1) Being kicked from a trial by the game is not the fault of the user. Nor is the fact that the user is NOT able to re-join that trial in ANY way.

2) There DOES seem to be some kind of memory leak that was introduced sometime around i20.5. It IS causing me and many other users to have hugely increased crashes/freezes that simply did not happen prior to i20 despite nothing in their computer having changed since then. This too is not the user's fault.

3) iXP is NOT distributing properly over a League... this is a known issue by Paragon Studios and should be addressed soon. Until it is, it IS occuring and is NOT the fault of the user.

I am not sure how this thread turned from a statement of problems that exist independent of user actions into some sort of argument about who is blind and who loves the Devs more... which is pointless and not worth discussing. But, there are issues with this game, they are not all on the shoulders of the users and they do need to be fixed. I and many other players have reported these issues and are negatively impacted by them. Something has to change and it isn't on my side of the computer screen.

I find it interesting that two people can maintain the same point of view yet one is told they are wrong and the other told they are right, it might lead one to think that the response is somehow biased by personal feelings.

all i have ever maintained is that the league system is 'not working as intended' and that the devs are letting the community down as a whole by not addressing or even acknowledging the issue.

thank you 37 for your support in this although I can understand your issue with my delivery, you agree my message is sound.

Ironblade......w.e.