End of Cottage Rule? Please?


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I have no claim. I want the powers team to have no limits and claim nothing.
Then you lack understanding of many things, and my opinion of you was correct. You were given a historical example of what happened the last time they tried, and why it was a bad idea, and you choose to ignore it.

You are, therefore, not worth further notice.


 

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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn View Post
So you'd have no problem with them changing your favorite powerset however they felt, regardless of how many people liked the powers as they were?

That's a bad idea. Having some restrictions keeps them from changing powers at a whim.
True, I wasn't going for that extreme, and thankfully there are exceptions to every rule.


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Then you lack understanding of many things, and my opinion of you was correct. You were given a historical example of what happened the last time they tried, and why it was a bad idea, and you choose to ignore it.

You are, therefore, not worth further notice.
Takes time for you to make sure you get your punches in before allowing that conclusion, I notice.


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The cottage rule is a neccesary part of the development process. As much as I like making suggestions that violate it, it is understandable and I have a great deal more confidence in the game because of it.

An example of what happens to games without said rule?

SWG, hooboy that one was a doozy


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Takes time for you to make sure you get your punches in before allowing that conclusion, I notice.
Those are not personal attacks.

PC_Guy calling you a troll? That is a personal attack.

Had I called you stupid - note I said you lacked understanding of the rule, which is NOT the same thing by a long shot - that would be an attack. And you, by the way, persisted beyond anything I said to you. I did not, however, call you stupid. I said you did not understand the purpose of the cottage rule. That is an observation, not an attack.

It would be like trying to teach you algebra, and you not getting that the letters are placeholders for values. Pointing out that "You need to remember that" would not be an attack. Pointing out that you're having a hard time remembering that replacement would not be a personal attack. It is an observation. And you are taking those as "Attacks" - or at least labeling them as such to dance around what's been asked of you.

The "Not worth further notice?" That's also not an attack. Just a notification that I feel there's no point to any further conversation with you. An opinion you seem all too happy to reinforce.

Learn the difference.


 

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It's actually the lady who has her hand in the air right under the green thing with the hat.
Dangit! I'm so bad at this.


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Non-acceptance of Buffs != Changed Power

Null the Gull is not a cottage rule breaker, nor should it be.
Especially since finding him is harder than finding Waldo. I remember seeing the patch notes, then wandering around Pocket D for 5 minutes looking for him and finally giving up.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that we finally have a solution to the always/never accept buffs problem. It's just frustrating that "you just have to know" how to access the fix. How is a new player to ever discover Null?


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It's actually the lady who has her hand in the air right under the green thing with the hat.
Dang. I had my money set on the guy all the way to the left.

I submit that this so-called "Obvious Troll" photo meme be re-captioned to "Subtle Troll is Subtle".


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Especially since finding him is harder than finding Waldo. I remember seeing the patch notes, then wandering around Pocket D for 5 minutes looking for him and finally giving up.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that we finally have a solution to the always/never accept buffs problem. It's just frustrating that "you just have to know" how to access the fix. How is a new player to ever discover Null?
If he's a contact, let him show up as a contact in our map. Problem solved.


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Cottage rule meh,

What we need is a tenth power in sets.

With the exception of devices there isn't a set that really needs a massive reworking, and even there an additional power choice would work wonders.


 

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Those are not personal attacks.

PC_Guy calling you a troll? That is a personal attack.

Learn the difference.
'Saying that shows you have no clue'
'Since you still show absolutely zero understanding.'
'And get a clue or three.'
'prove I'm wrong. Somehow I think you can't. '
'some nonsense holy mission to right some drastic wrong to yourself'
'don't worry about how flimsy my reasons or lacking in understanding of'
'your lack of comprehension'
'kiddo'
'have zero understanding'


Yeah... I think I know the difference pretty well.

Also, how the heck is this a personal attack, unless you make a choice to view it as such:

"I sure do, however anything I mention that is contrary to your dreams and desires instantly turned into personal attacks which has no business here.

I do realize how difficult it can be to apologize when you have high conviction and strong beliefs though. I will give it time as it usually requires it."

I made no attack whatsoever in those sentences, yet you chose to say 'Let's see, I think it's fair to call that a personal attack from you.'

Well, twisted views can cause issues, I get it. I think this little war on someone who disagrees with you was uncalled for, ridiculous and is likely just so commonplace that you didn't realize what you were doing, as sandbagging intended for prevention of further comments.


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(a) No, moving a power does not violate the cottage rule. It does not change what that power does. Tanks had this done with Taunt once already, and
Uh, what part of this did some of you not get?
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Again, there is nothing in that rule that states it. Yes, even to the point of replacing a power.

HOwever, if some people had their way here, it would be done so
And what part of this did some of you not get?
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Also,
(b) you need to get your facts straight. Masterminds have ALWAYS been able to summon their first tier pet at level 1, unless they choose an attack instead. ALWAYS.
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That was the whole point. How is it that 2 of you that are proponents of the Cottage Rule did not get this?

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(c) if you *really* think Assassin's Strike - a long, interruptable attack - should be at level 1, you really need to rethink things. No, that should not have been put at level 1, and I say this as someone who plays multiple stalkers. AS at level 1 would make stalkers even LESS popular, thanks to no armor, no backup attacks, no *anything* to help either combat or survivability.
There is absolutely nothing that will interrupt AS at level 1. That AS is not usable outside of hide is one of the Stalkers problems. But to be fair I should have said that it should have been a tier 2 power, just to let a newb know that they should probably not pick it at level 1. You definitely need it by level 4 when most of the sets biggest attacks will no longer take out an even level minion from hide (I believe Broadsword is still capable.). A big part of the Stalkers problems at this level is that the MOBs will react to your biggest attack (Which is also your slowest.), before you complete your attack. You can find your self at half your hit points within seconds of initiating an attack from hide, because now your getting hit by all of the MOBs in the group multiple times, and your taking longer to take them out. You can use your faster attack, and not get hit while making a hide attack but then you are doing less burst damage, and may actually take longer to take the first MOB out, thus you are still taking more hits in the encounter.

Something else, is there like something wrong with my fricken English?


 

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JayboH bein' a
Fixed. Saying flat out you don't understand is not an attack. It's truth.

He's made his case. You've only made a case that you're resembling the picture above.


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I pretty much said what I had to in my first post, the basic statement stands, "I just love it when someone cannot understand that disagreeing does not mean mis-understanding."

I find it hilarious when people who disagree resort to, "If you only understood, you would agree." It really is very funny to me and this particular example has given me and a couple co-workers a good laugh.

As for the requests of 'proof' of my opinion that there are powers that need to be removed/changed enough to break the cottage rule:

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Nobody, as of yet, has been able to provide an example of a power so bad that the only possible solution to players not using it is to simply delete the entire power outright.
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So, if you know of these cases, feel free to list them, with justifications. I'll bet they can all be made "acceptable" without violating said rule. I can think of perhaps one power, total, that could be removed wholesale in one instance because it's so out of place to me.
I simply don't agree with some things that others do.

I am quite sure that if I post examples of powers of which I have a low enough opinion that I think they should be removed, someone will post their opinion as to why they should not be.

Nothing will change; I see that as a waste of time.

My point was made in the first sentence of my original post; I simply happen, in this case, to take a stance that disagrees with the developers, something I seldom do. It is not something, IMO, worth even discussing, because there is no resolution to be had from such a discussion.

I am not going to post something so enlightened and insightful that a developer drops what they are doing and runs to get a hammer, nor is anyone going to post something that causes me to suddenly and profoundly change my mind about powers I have disliked for years.

Therefore, enjoy your life as you will and I'll do the same, g'day.


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Dude. IF you want to get rid of the cottage rule, sell us on it. WHY????

(I know you're not the OP, but you've been more vocal here then them.)

So far you seem to be spending more time "Q.Q"ing about Memphis Bill's posts then creating or backing up an argument. That weakens your position.

Bring something to the table if that's what you want to see changed, because right now, you've got nothing.


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Bring something to the table if that's what you want to see changed, because right now, you've got nothing.
That's just it.

I am not trying, nor do I have a desire, to get anything changed.

At all.

I simply have an opinion about some things in the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Discussing my opinions here will not, in any meaningful way, help me enjoy life.


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Dude. IF you want to get rid of the cottage rule, sell us on it. WHY????
Assuming you mean Jayboh, he doesn't have an actual reason. He just wants to get rid of it for "developer freedom" or something. Then decides not to give examples to why. Don't bother with him.

Basically, nobody *for* this has shown understanding of the rule, what it is, why it's in place as a guideline, etc. They just "want it gone" in some belief that it's actually hampering the developers or some such. Or that "I don't like this power, it should go away," ignoring the last time the devs did that they were nearly lynched.

Essentially, the conversation's not worth having.


 

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You've only made a case that you're resembling the picture above.


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Correlation does not always indicate causation.
Truth. Seemed fitting enough, so eh...


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Yep, that certainly resembles your posts. Glad you realize it as well. Now why don't you try to be better? Or are you going for a forum ignore record?

Because I see you doing nothing but trolling and arguing, versus someone who has been widely helpful on the boards, who has gone out of his way to explain his side of things and has a history of helping out and, yes, standing up - even to the devs - for things that actually need fixing, despite people like you trolling him (most recently in the incarnate graphics thread.)

What have you done lately to actually help your fellow players? Because if this thread is any indication, the answer is probably "Less than nothing."


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Originally Posted by JayboH View Post
That has always been the case so you haven't posted anything worthwhile, nothing personal. The idea is to make more sets like many of the newer ones, where it makes it harder to skip powers as they will all be useful.
Just because you don't find something useful doesn't mean that the cottage rule should be torn up and chucked in the bin.

I would unlike a lot of people, simply ask the Devs for a possible buff and trust in them with what they come up with because they are the only ones able to look at the full picture. Usually no forumite is good enough to see the full picture.

Edit: and by all means keep digging.


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Yep, that certainly resembles your posts. Glad you realize it as well. Now why don't you try to be better? Or are you going for a forum ignore record?

Because I see you doing nothing but trolling and arguing, versus someone who has been widely helpful on the boards, who has gone out of his way to explain his side of things and has a history of helping out and, yes, standing up - even to the devs - for things that actually need fixing, despite people like you trolling him (most recently in the incarnate graphics thread.)

What have you done lately to actually help your fellow players? Because if this thread is any indication, the answer is probably "Less than nothing."
I am almost as helpful in this thread as you have been, but not quite. I need to work at it a little more to get to the point of pointing at someone and labeling them visually as a troll, because I am not as harsh by nature.


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