Answering some Freedom Questions
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Posted on: 2011-06-23 16:34 in Developers' Corner
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I really have to disagree. The whole point of this system is to attempt to bring people back and new people in. The Devs are largely providing the entire game for free with the exclusion of this or that. |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
That's like saying you can alienate a former player by sending them a check for ten dollars, when they want fifteen instead. We're essentially going to be sending them a message that says "you can now play *some* but not all of the game for free" and you're saying many of them will say "well if its not everything I want for free screw it I'm not coming back" *and* this is a bad thing.
Its not a bad thing to tell people who want too much for free that they are not going to get it. I would rather have the ones that won't look a gift horse in the mouth. I'm willing to lose the rest, because we didn't have them in the first place. These are, after all, people who are currently not subscribers. Why stop there? Aren't we alienating those players by not allowing them access to the Incarnate system? To the VIP server? To *anything*? Why block access to anything if we care about "alienating" people who are not paying us money. You're drawing the us vs them line wrong. This is not a case of us being everyone who has ever played the game before the Freedom conversion, and them being all the new nobodies that will be joining later. This is a case of VIPs vs everyone else: the people who pay vs everyone who doesn't. And in second place, its a case of veterans who don't pay vs neopytes who don't pay, among all the people who don't pay. VIPs win, everyone else comes in second. Premium players come first among all the people who don't pay, which is still second place. If you are speaking for the Premium players, then let me speak for the VIPs: you don't pay. You're getting access for free. You won't get access to everything. Fair has nothing to do with people who are getting things for free without paying. If you need more free stuff than we're giving you as people who don't pay just to grace us with your presence, even though most of these things can be bought and most of these things can be earned by enough veteran status, so in the case of masterminds and controllers we're talking about veteran players who aren't paying anything and quit the game and were around for two whole years, then I guess we'll have to make due without you. |
But if you do that, you are not going to get anyone to resub because what is the point? I can play the game largely for free without have to deal with the problem of coming up with 15 bucks a month.
We don't and probably will never agree on this issue. I firmly believe that CoX has made a large mistake based on a severely limited hybrid F2P model that they chose to use.
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
But if you do that, you are not going to get anyone to resub because what is the point? I can play the game largely for free without have to deal with the problem of coming up with 15 bucks a month.
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
I firmly believe that CoX has made a large mistake based on a severely limited hybrid F2P model that they chose to use.
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Seriously, Blood... you just said you can play most of the content for free, but it's severely limited, all in the same post.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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You are right I did. Sure I can play for free. No arguments and most everything is free. But that is not going to bring new people in and create new revenue. Therefore the mistake has been made by the limitations of what they are doing.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Seriously, Blood... you just said you can play most of the content for free, but it's severely limited, all in the same post.
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Uhh are you talking about premium players or new players. You keep jumping around and are not making sense.|
Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
You are right I did. Sure I can play for free. No arguments and most everything is free. But that is not going to bring new people in and create new revenue. Therefore the mistake has been made by the limitations of what they are doing.
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If the point is new players, how does allowing OLD VETERAN folks WHO COULD NOT PLAY BEFORE IF THEY WEREN'T SUBBED access to 90% of the game have anything to do with NEW players. Those vets who now have access AREN'T NEW PLAYERS!!!
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No you aren't missing anything. As far as I can tell Bloodwynd is complaining that he can't quit paying for his subscription and have everything he would have if he were paying. For some reason he wants to short change the paying customers so that people who play for free get the same stuff but without paying for it.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Uhh are you talking about premium players or new players. You keep jumping around and are not making sense.
If the point is new players, how does allowing OLD VETERAN folks WHO COULD NOT PLAY BEFORE IF THEY WEREN'T SUBBED access to 90% of the game have anything to do with NEW players. Those vets who now have access AREN'T NEW PLAYERS!!! *boogle* Am I missing something here? |
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Not trying to short change anyone. But I feel firmly that if a premium player purchased the CoV expansion then that the ability to play the MM class is already built into his account.
Now, you VIPs are trying to tell me its not fair that we have to pay to get access to everything and the premium players can pay and get it all. The premium players should have to buy the content to unlock depending on where they let their respective account lapse. If they didn't by GR they don't get access to the goods from GR. If they purchased GR, they get the Dual Pistols set.
That is why I am saying nothing more.
Free NEW players shouldn't be given access to not even CoV content as that should be a purchasable area that might make money. Dangle the carrot....
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Except that you are 100% wrong about buying COV giving you Masterminds. No where was that implied or stated when COV was released.
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Not trying to short change anyone. But I feel firmly that if a premium player purchased the CoV expansion then that the ability to play the MM class is already built into his account.
Now, you VIPs are trying to tell me its not fair that we have to pay to get access to everything and the premium players can pay and get it all. The premium players should have to buy the content to unlock depending on where they let their respective account lapse. If they didn't by GR they don't get access to the goods from GR. If they purchased GR, they get the Dual Pistols set. That is why I am saying nothing more. Free NEW players shouldn't be given access to not even CoV content as that should be a purchasable area that might make money. Dangle the carrot.... |
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Actually, as I recall, the MM set was a built in AT to the CoV expansion that was heavily marketed as a new kind of class never before seen in an MMO. Therefore that would imply to me that the MM was indeed part of the CoV boxed set.
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Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
Except that you are 100% wrong about buying COV giving you Masterminds. No where was that implied or stated when COV was released.
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If the controller isn't a built in part of the base game box then why would the mastermind be a built in part of COV? Even more with the free access to COV they completely removed any special gain that might have been claimed. After that there is nothing supporting any continuing claim that the mastermind was somehow unlocked by buying COV.
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Actually, as I recall, the MM set was a built in AT to the CoV expansion that was heavily marketed as a new kind of class never before seen in an MMO. Therefore that would imply to me that the MM was indeed part of the CoV boxed set.
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That is my problem. Both the controller and mastermind should be attached to their respective box releases. Now for a FREE NEW player, sure, the controller can be locked but purchasable. But for the Premium players who already did make some investment into the game at one point or another, then those should be ready to use based on that initial investment.
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Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
If the controller isn't a built in part of the base game box then why would the mastermind be a built in part of COV? Even more with the free access to COV they completely removed any special gain that might have been claimed. After that there is nothing supporting any continuing claim that the mastermind was somehow unlocked by buying COV.
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Premium players are getting enough freebies just by BEING ABLE TO LOG IN FOR FREE plus whatever perks their veteran status grants them
I am sorry but your just plain wrong if you think giving people free stuff = alienating them
Freedom is different from the other free to play models you've had experience with. It's essentially an unlimited time free trial with limitations on the content you have access to. You want access to everything? You pay your sub. Just like you have to do now.
Complain all you want the devs will not change this model to suit you because changing it to what you want completely undermines their income.
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Ah, NOW I get you. You're saying that the purely Free accounts aren't limited enough.|
Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Free NEW players shouldn't be given access to not even CoV content as that should be a purchasable area that might make money. Dangle the carrot....
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The problem with the above is that when NCSoft acquired the City of Heroes franchise in 2008, they physically merged the systems--everyone who only had access to City of Heroes gained access to City of Villains, and vice versa. There is no longer any differentiation between City of Heroes and City of Villains as far as the game code is concerned. The Going Rogue expansion solidified this bond between both pre-existing games, and now it would almost certainly take more man hours to separate the two products than they'd probably recoup in microtransactions for purchasing them.
I think you're under-assuming, or at the very least under-valuing, the amount of new content that will be going live with Issue 21/CoH Freedom's release. There's a new zone, which anyone can enter, but only VIPs or people who have paid a fee can do the missions there. I know I've also already mentioned the Signature Story Arcs--there will be two coming out every month, and they must be purchased individually by non-subscribers. There is also a brand new powerset, Time Manipulation, being released with the launch, which will be free to subscribers but require non-subscribers to pay... and another new set, Titan Weapons, will be following fairly shortly thereafter. (The Going Rogue expansion and all included content will also be automatically added to all VIP accounts for the duration of their subscription.)
On top of the included content above that VIP subscribers get access to, they also get the following every month: 400 Paragon Points (equal to $5 real cash), 1 Paragon Reward Token (usable in the new Paragon Rewards system, which will offer a much greater range of rewards than the current Veteran Rewards system) and 1 free Server Transfer (which costs $10 real cash). These are all banked and never expire, by the way. The points can be used on whatever you wish; you can spend it all on new costume pieces, new temp powers, consumeable items... you can even save it all up, drop to Premium status and use your funds to purchase permanent access to the new content if you want to.
The content I mentioned in the paragraph above the last is there to entice Free/Premium players to purchase it, or preferably to subscribe and get full access. The paragraph directly above this one is the system that's in place to keep players subscribing once they start. There's plenty of "dangled carrot" in City of Heroes Freedom.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Whew...5 pages later. I just don't know that by giving away the majority of the game for free if there is enough there with the dated engine, the repetitiveness of the missions and the lack of substantial end game content if there is enough there to get people to subscribe for long periods of time. Haven spoken to some that let their accounts lapse, they are not happy with the locking of ATs so that is already a -1 for a resub.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Ah, NOW I get you. You're saying that the purely Free accounts aren't limited enough.
The problem with the above is that when NCSoft acquired the City of Heroes franchise in 2008, they physically merged the systems--everyone who only had access to City of Heroes gained access to City of Villains, and vice versa. There is no longer any differentiation between City of Heroes and City of Villains as far as the game code is concerned. The Going Rogue expansion solidified this bond between both pre-existing games, and now it would almost certainly take more man hours to separate the two products than they'd probably recoup in microtransactions for purchasing them. I think you're under-assuming, or at the very least under-valuing, the amount of new content that will be going live with Issue 21/CoH Freedom's release. There's a new zone, which anyone can enter, but only VIPs or people who have paid a fee can do the missions there. I know I've also already mentioned the Signature Story Arcs--there will be two coming out every month, and they must be purchased individually by non-subscribers. There is also a brand new powerset, Time Manipulation, being released with the launch, which will be free to subscribers but require non-subscribers to pay... and another new set, Titan Weapons, will be following fairly shortly thereafter. (The Going Rogue expansion and all included content will also be automatically added to all VIP accounts for the duration of their subscription.) On top of the included content above that VIP subscribers get access to, they also get the following every month: 400 Paragon Points (equal to $5 real cash), 1 Paragon Reward Token (usable in the new Paragon Rewards system, which will offer a much greater range of rewards than the current Veteran Rewards system) and 1 free Server Transfer (which costs $10 real cash). These are all banked and never expire, by the way. The points can be used on whatever you wish; you can spend it all on new costume pieces, new temp powers, consumeable items... you can even save it all up, drop to Premium status and use your funds to purchase permanent access to the new content if you want to. The content I mentioned in the paragraph above the last is there to entice Free/Premium players to purchase it, or preferably to subscribe and get full access. The paragraph directly above this one is the system that's in place to keep players subscribing once they start. There's plenty of "dangled carrot" in City of Heroes Freedom. |
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Whew...5 pages later. I just don't know that by giving away the majority of the game for free if there is enough there with the dated engine, the repetitiveness of the missions and the lack of substantial end game content if there is enough there to get people to subscribe for long periods of time. Haven spoken to some that let their accounts lapse, they are not happy with the locking of ATs so that is already a -1 for a resub.
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People who AREN'T subscribing, because they can't get something without subscribing, are refusing to re-subscribe?
If they could get it without paying, would they then subscribe even though they would then not need to subscribe to get it?
How can you not see the irrationality here?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Pure logic. The problem is that you all refuse to see things from the outside in and are only looking at things from the inside out. Part of the reason to go to a F2P system was to generate a new source of revenue...correct?|
Originally Posted by Void_Huntress
Wait wait.
People who AREN'T subscribing, because they can't get something without subscribing, are refusing to re-subscribe? If they could get it without paying, would they then subscribe even though they would then not need to subscribe to get it? How can you not see the irrationality here? |
My assumption would be yes.
Now, assuming that yes is the correct choice, current subscribers, although still very important aren't going to drive this game forward. Based on the lack of development, I think it is clear that the current subscription model isn't generating enough to be nearly as viable as NCSoft would like. So attempt the F2P.
Now, based on how the game is, they can't separate different editions. Therefore there is no distinction between CoH/CoV/GR in terms of purchase power. So there is no added stream of revenue coming in from New Free Players other than the hope that they sub based on all the free content. Now the problem with the free content is that based on newer games, the engine is dated and the missions are repetitive.
Now the premium player has played before and has some history with the game. But for reasons unknown the allowed the subscription to lapse. They played for 24 months and loved MMs and Controllers....they can't play them because they are locked until at least 36 months of vet time. Alright - no big deal they can always purchase them right. Maybe, so they keep playing and see that there has been some cool stuff added to the game. The biggest new feature is locked however so the Premium player says...nah I can live without Incarnates. The game still looks old and the Devs are as obstinate as ever. But the new MMO is right around the corner, why spend 15 bucks a month on something old when the only I can go buy a new game?
At the end of the day and at the end of the thread, only time will truly tell what will happen. I for one will likely allow my account to lapse and I will simply play Premium account and roll a MM just for fun since I have 40 something months of vet before I lapsed years ago. But, once I get to that point, I have enough in the game to play that I can roll a new toon and go 1 -50 with little to no care in the world and it doesn't cost me a dime. Explain to me why I would want to resub??
Again, there's a lot wrong with what you said there.
You argue that people are refusing to see things from your point of view; you're just as obstinate, if not more so, about seeing it from ours.
You say that "part of the reason to go to F2P" is for a new revenue stream. That's the only reason they're doing it. But that doesn't mean that the F2P system is meant to supplant the existing revenue streams. The two are meant to go hand-in-hand, with an emphasis on getting F2Pers to subscribe for the end-game content and new development while providing value for those who are already subscribed to keep them there.
New players in CoH Freedom will get 6 of the last 7 years worth of content (basically, everything prior to Issue 18/Going Rogue) for free--yes, the developers are basically writing that off, however negatively you may feel about it. Anything that released with or specifically as a follow-up to Going Rogue will still require that the expansion be purchased (starting in or going to Praetoria, switching sides, Hero/Villain Merits, etc.), and that may or may not include the two level 20-40 TFs that released in Issue 20 dealing with the Praetorian War.
Additionally, they're updating the content of the early game with better graphics and more engaging missions. You accuse the developers of being obstinate? The fact that the level 1-20 game was so showing its age is one of the biggest reasons that former players left--you see complaints all the time about it on these forums from new players and long-term veterans alike. This is something that the new players just joining and the existing players who will be taking advantage of the new sets we're gaining through Powerset Proliferation can all enjoy.
Now, let's skip straight to the end of your post... Why would you want to resub?
Well, for one, it's obvious that you're quite content to play the free version on your Premium account, and since you mention rolling a new MM, I'm inferring (perhaps incorrectly) that you have no terribly strong attachments to your existing character(s). You have no interest in the end game (Incarnates). You don't seem to care about any of the new content being released.
Basically, I can't tell you why you want to come back as a subscriber. You don't care the least bit about the stuff that you're not getting, and you're more or less content to never pay a dime to City of Heroes ever again.
I can tell you why other new and former players will want to subscribe, though. The abilities you can earn in the end game are very attractive--they're basically using VIPs as walking commercials, saying "Look what you could do if you subscribed!" VIPs get regular content updates for their $15/mo, whereas new content for Free/Premium players will be limited more or less to revamps of existing zones and missions; sure, it's new content, but how interested are free players going to be in playing in the same zones when the VIP players are all off fighting space ninjas on the moon? (That was just an example. I have seen nothing that would imply that we'll be fighting space ninjas on the moon.)
That stuff isn't going to be attractive to everyone; obviously, it doesn't interest you in the least. But the developers are willing to take a chance on letting you and others like you be happy with exactly what you have now and bet that thousands more will be much more interested in the areas that hold none for you.
Basically, Paragon Studios is betting that you are a part of a minority, and I'm inclined to put my chips in with theirs.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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No. I see it perfectly from your point of view. When LOTRO went free to play I had some of the very same thoughts. However, my history at CoH was mired by dev lack of anything. Posi was always telling us to learn to play and Castle was constantly nerfing the game for PvP. I left with a bitter taste in my mouth. But, that being said, this was the first MMO picked up and even today it holds a special place in the cockles of my heart. I am very content playing the content that I purchased with GR and not paying a dime to NCSoft. This game to me is a memory but one that I want to keep handy cause I miss my toons. One of which was a MM but I have a 42 month vet so I will get to play with him as well. |
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Again, there's a lot wrong with what you said there.
You argue that people are refusing to see things from your point of view; you're just as obstinate, if not more so, about seeing it from ours. |
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Now, let's skip straight to the end of your post... Why would you want to resub? Well, for one, it's obvious that you're quite content to play the free version on your Premium account, and since you mention rolling a new MM, I'm inferring (perhaps incorrectly) that you have no terribly strong attachments to your existing character(s). You have no interest in the end game (Incarnates). You don't seem to care about any of the new content being released. Basically, I can't tell you why you want to come back as a subscriber. You don't care the least bit about the stuff that you're not getting, and you're more or less content to never pay a dime to City of Heroes ever again. |
This game will serve as a nice distraction for a rainy day. I don't plan on playing it everyday but its there for me. Just like all the other games I play. It will fit my mood. I don't agree with the dev's model and that's my opinion.
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| I can tell you why other new and former players will want to subscribe, though. The abilities you can earn in the end game are very attractive--they're basically using VIPs as walking commercials, saying "Look what you could do if you subscribed!" VIPs get regular content updates for their $15/mo, whereas new content for Free/Premium players will be limited more or less to revamps of existing zones and missions; sure, it's new content, but how interested are free players going to be in playing in the same zones when the VIP players are all off fighting space ninjas on the moon? (That was just an example. I have seen nothing that would imply that we'll be fighting space ninjas on the moon.) |
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
As far as the moonbase...that was talked about and never ever ever developed because the devs couldn't pull it off.
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I think it's more that there was a lack of ways to tie it in to the "story bible" (there's apparently a gigantic book or file or something that tells all the back story to CoH, so any changes to the storyline need to fit within that framework). It's a lot more likely now as we're starting to get actual extraterrestrial threats with the onset of the Coming Storm (the new tutorial experience deals with meteors carrying an alien threat that crash down and destroy Galaxy City), rather than just the extra-dimensional threats we've been dealing with previously.
But no, I've never seen a developer comment on a moon zone other than a simple, "huh, neat idea."
There have also been several references made to Antimatter's space station recently, between the Praetorian Surge event for the anniversary and the Obliteration Beam power used in the new Keyes Trial--perhaps we'll be going to space to deal with that in the near future?
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You may instead be thinking of the undersea zone idea that had some popularity behind it a few years back. The only developer who ever commented on it was BABs, who was the lead animator at the time, who simply said that he personally did not ever want to see such a thing, because it would mean that a) he would have to do new animations for a new travel mode (underwater swimming), which would include retouching every player attack animation in the game, and b) it would take a long, long time, during which there could be no further powerset development and other severe content limitations.
It was never said that they couldn't do it, just that one man (who wasn't in charge) thought that they could be doing better things with their time.
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On yet another note... you don't sleep much, do you? We should hang out some time.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Pure logic. The problem is that you all refuse to see things from the outside in and are only looking at things from the inside out.
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... dude, I'm looking at your own statements and the contradictions YOU are making.
You're talking about people refusing to resubscribe because they can't get something without subscribing. That's what I responded to.
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Part of the reason to go to a F2P system was to generate a new source of revenue...correct?
My assumption would be yes. Now, assuming that yes is the correct choice, current subscribers, although still very important aren't going to drive this game forward. |
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Based on the lack of development, I think it is clear that the current subscription model isn't generating enough to be nearly as viable as NCSoft would like. So attempt the F2P.
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Now, based on how the game is, they can't separate different editions. Therefore there is no distinction between CoH/CoV/GR in terms of purchase power. So there is no added stream of revenue coming in from New Free Players other than the hope that they sub based on all the free content. Now the problem with the free content is that based on newer games, the engine is dated and the missions are repetitive.
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I personally find CoX missions LESS repetitive than some of the competition. Opinions clearly differ.
Further, almost no newer games offer some of the things CoX has, or do it incompletely, or do it in a different gameplay context. The costume and character customization is a huge selling point to some folks, dated engine or not.
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Now the premium player has played before and has some history with the game. But for reasons unknown the allowed the subscription to lapse. They played for 24 months and loved MMs and Controllers....they can't play them because they are locked until at least 36 months of vet time. Alright - no big deal they can always purchase them right. Maybe, so they keep playing and see that there has been some cool stuff added to the game. The biggest new feature is locked however so the Premium player says...nah I can live without Incarnates. The game still looks old and the Devs are as obstinate as ever. But the new MMO is right around the corner, why spend 15 bucks a month on something old when the only I can go buy a new game?
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You aren't entitled to getting everything you care about for free. If you're happy with MOST of the free stuff and there's Just One More Thing you want that costs money, then you decide to either spend that money, or to do without.
That's how reasonable people do these things.
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
At the end of the day and at the end of the thread, only time will truly tell what will happen. I for one will likely allow my account to lapse and I will simply play Premium account and roll a MM just for fun since I have 40 something months of vet before I lapsed years ago. But, once I get to that point, I have enough in the game to play that I can roll a new toon and go 1 -50 with little to no care in the world and it doesn't cost me a dime. Explain to me why I would want to resub??
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If you personally aren't interested in the premium purchase or VIP-only content, then... okay. Nobody really cares either way. You are one person out of quite a lot more.
What Paragon is after are the folks who try this and go, "I want more of this." and either start buying things as a Premium customer, or hopefully go all the way to VIP. (or go VIP and start buying things on top.)
The purchasable stuff is a bit of a red herring, by the way: They've been letting us buy things for a while now. They're just combining that with the indefinite trial program.
I know why I am keeping subbed, despite having relatively tight income. I know why some of my friends will probably be resubbing, either soon, or soon after I21.
I also know that I'll be able to get some other friends in the door now that the barrier to entry is "Do I meet the minimum requrements and can I spare the hard drive space?"
I'm willing to bet some of those will become premium at the minimum. We might get more VIPs out of it. We might not.
Further, I know why some of my friends are unsubscribing, both because they'll get everything they need from I21 as a premium player, and because they're moving on to something different.
That's life.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Softcapping an Invuln is fantastic. Softcapping a Willpower is amazing. Softcapping SR is kissing your sister.
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So why specifically are you quibbling with the issue of not giving even more stuff away to people who don't pay a subscription? You just made a case for taking even more stuff away.
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Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
I really have to disagree. The whole point of this system is to attempt to bring people back and new people in. The Devs are largely providing the entire game for free with the exclusion of this or that.
But if you do that, you are not going to get anyone to resub because what is the point? I can play the game largely for free without have to deal with the problem of coming up with 15 bucks a month. |
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He's quibbling because people like him who don't care enough to financially support the game with a subscription might take offense at not having every single little feature available as a non-paying, non subscribing, premium member...
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
So why specifically are you quibbling with the issue of not giving even more stuff away to people who don't pay a subscription? You just made a case for taking even more stuff away.
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People are angry because you don't seem to unders'tand that you never paid for these things. You paid for the ability for your game client to support these things while you were renting them. If you pay a microtransaction you will have paid for these things.|
Originally Posted by Bloodwynd
Not my style to let up nor come off as a freeloader. Just asking for what I already paid for without having to pay a microtransaction for the same thing.
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Please stop saying they are taking what you paid for. When you bought that box it never said you were paying for the right to access those things. You were not under the impression when you bought that box that anything in this game was yours to access. That box gives you the ability to rent things for a sub or buy them with a microtransaction. It never included ownership to any of the items you claim it did.
Yet another reason that attracting new and former subscribers will be difficult....The Community that just got done attacking every word I said. You might not have agreed with me but at no time did I become rude or hateful to any single poster. At the same time, I have seen nothing but rudeness and disrespect for my opinion directed my way.
You wonder why people leave and don't want to pay?? Look in the mirrors.
However, you don't mention any of the following for Premium customers:
- Four Stance Emotes. (Complete Collection)
- /e stancehero1
- /e stancehero2
- /e stancevillain1
- /e stancevillain2
- Access to Praetoria.
- Side Switching.
- Electric Control Power Set for Dominators and Controllers (if the premium account has unlocked Controllers in some fashion).
- Demon Summoning Power Set (if the premium account has unlocked Master Minds in some fashion).
- Dual Pistols Power Set.
- Kinetic Melee Power Set.
- Hero and Villain Alignment Merits.
- Fort Trident and the Crucible.
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