Answering some Freedom Questions

I might be wrong but it was my understanding that any returning vet would have the ability to unlock MM's and controllers when they return. They are locked from Freebers only. Premiums can select them as one of their limited amount.

So if you played a MM up to 50 3 years ago and quit. When you come back you can pick that MM as one of the ones to unlock and there ya go.

A returning player being premium can ONLY unlock a Mastermind or controller after they have basically played initially for 3 years. So anything that I bought in the original Retail, the Dvd and CoV is not full outright being given to me but only given to me with conditions which is what I am saying is the problem.

They are taking away items given to premium players that were purchased in the original box sets.


Now if a premium player did not purchase Going Rogue...I have little problem with that material being locked from them until they purchase it which includes all the add-ons for it.

And honestly, does anyone see unlocking Controllers and Masterminds costing that much in Paragon Points? Frankly, if they make either archetype cost more then 1000 PP, I'll be surprised. (Honestly, over on LoTRO, I can't recall how much it cost to unlock Runekeepers, but it wasn't a bank-breaking burden.)

Edit: And I'm just throwing the 1000 PP cost out there. I have no idea what they will end up charging to unlock those archetypes early.

Again, THE ONLY content you can't make a one-off purchase and have access to forever is the Incarnate content. It is the only content that is permanently locked behind a subscription.

You want Masterminds, Controllers and EATs? Buy them once and they're part of your account forever.

You want access to Going Rogue's side-switching features, mission content and powersets? Buy those suckers! Heck, you don't even have to buy them all as a package in CoH Freedom--you can buy JUST Dual Pistols and Praetorian mission content if that's all you want.

Missions in the new First Ward zone (included in VIP subscription)? Pay the fee, and you can do those on your Premium account just like all the VIPs can.

The "Freedom" isn't about you getting everything for free. It's about you choosing exactly how much content you want access to and how much you pay every month. That choice can be 80% of the game for free, or you can creep that up to about 95% with a series of one-time transactions.

You complain that their "plan is to suck the money out of as much as they can?" They're a business. They don't get to keep their jobs if the game doesn't stay profitable.

And as for whomever was saying that City of Heroes was NCSoft's most financially poorly-performing game? Have you seen what NCSoft does with games they don't feel are bringing in money? Google "Auto Assault" and "Tabula Rasa" sometime. I see no reason to fear for CoH's future anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

Someone is now finally getting crass. According to the website for Going Rogue...Incarnates is a built in system to that Expansion that people bought and paid for.

Limitation of the system is not Freedom it is holding it hostage even if someone bought the $30.00 expansion.

Give me what I bought and already paid for and quit being an Elitist of you are a VIP and no one should get what you have.

By virtue of the link that you posted....

Incarnates was a built in feature of Going Rogue

Elitists are those that think that they have more privledge to a game because they have played it longer or have a greater number of badges. Badgers can be lumped into this category but not all badgers fit into this.

Loyalists are those that believe that the Devs can do no wrong and will defend the utter mention of Dev criticism with anger and rudeness....see your above post.

As far as being Modsmacked....heh....won't be the first time that has occurred to me.

I am not making a big deal about the incarnate system although I see that argument as I did buy Going Rogue and won't have access to a boxed feature. But as I have bought most boxed content for this game, having the Devs (who can be almightier than thou with their opinions and lack of listening to the player base....see Statesman and Positron for perfect examples of this) tell me that because I no longer sub to the game but bought all the boxed stuff that they put out that I am not entitled to stuff I have already paid for is idiotic. Look, what is the difference in me paying for the box and getting a troller or paying a small fee later...I am being double charged for the same goods. You yourself have stated several times in this thread that by virture of me purchasing something after Freedom is launched that I own that for life on my account. Well why the hell do I not own the same material now????

Like I said, give me what I already purchased.

I swear I can't believe the sense of entitlement is still going strong with this...

Anyone who is griping about being TEMPORARILY unable to access content when they CANCEL their subscription and STOP PAYING THE DEVELOPERS needs to have their head examined. You're basically all ungrateful and selfish. As was mentioned before this is a GIFT to you if you can't SUPPORT THE GAME financially.

Consider this... if everyone went free to play and stopped paying their sub and never spent a dime on the paragon store what happens? The game shuts down. This is a business and they NEED TO MAKE A PROFIT to continue the game.

All I see here is you ungrateful selfish people looking for ways to have your cake for free and be able to eat every last bite too. Sorry it doesn't work that way and in my opinion you're a ***** for even complaining about THE FREE option they are OFFERING you. If you want to keep everything you have now then just keep your sub going.

It's been said before and I'll say it again... Right now you lose access to everything if you stop paying. THE GIFT YOU ARE BEING GIVEN when freedom launches is you only lose acces to SOME of what you have IF YOU STOP PAYING.

So stop with this whole "woe is me they're taking my stuff away that i paid for" BS cause you're just coming off as a freeloader.

Then the system that NCSoft and CoH are developing is going to be far far far from a F2P system. If I buy the content in other games, I get access to said content regardless of who much a month I pay. I get limited in other areas that are inconvient but doable.

This game is going to the realm that if you don't pay a monthly fee, go on with your bad self because you don't deserve the content you paid for already with purchases of the boxed sets.

The system as it is is currently very flawed and very much not Freedom to Play like they are trying to sell the user base.

Play for Free

As a new free City of Heroes Freedom player, you can:
Play as a Hero or Villain for up to Level 50.
Play in 45 different game zones.
Select from 8 character archetypes and 105 power sets.
Create costumes for up to 2 characters from billions of combinations.
Buy anything you'd like from the in-game store.

Very little to complain with with this option. The only issue I would say is that they should probably limit SF or TF to paid content that is purchasable. For instance the Posi TF or Manticore TF would be a purchasable item since they are entering the game for free. Now, that being said, I would also probably limit the access to CoV to them and not allow them to play that unless they buy a Mission quest pack per zone for those areas. Microtransactions is the key here. You nickel and dime them to death.

Furthermore, they can read the forums but not allowed to post. Access to servers but can be booted for a VIP or Premium player. Limited Character Slots. Limited AT access. No in game support. Not all badges available to them. They cannot craft any IO's period. These are new players that have never played the game a day in their lives. These are the ones you want to buy more into the game.

Returning Players Become Premium Players

We honor your commitment and experience! If you used to play City of Heroes, you will automatically become a Premium Player. New free players can become Premium Players by buying any amount of Paragon Points.

Get everything that Free players get.
Retain nearly everything you already purchased or unlocked, including Super Boosters, expansions, and directly purchased character slots.
Retain all the Veteran Rewards you earned.

The only difference here is that if the premium player has already bought the boxed sets, then access is granted to those areas. Now, if a player has not bought Going Rogue - he gets no access to the bonuses that are afforded in that set. Period. I would never argue that. So you can nickel and dime them the same way, give them the opportunity to buy GR and give them the bonuses from that.

Limit Auction House usuage. VIP can boot them off server for priority access. They retain all previous rewards but unable to earn Paragon Points. They have limited global chat functionality. They can read and post to the forums thus reconnecting with old friends increasing likelyhood that they might resubscribe. They get no ingmae support. They can use IO's but cannot craft Set IO's.

VIPs get everything.

Now, with that being said...VIPs continue to receive free updates every few months. Premium and Free players have to purchase the same content.

It is that easy. But this game is going to annoy enough with this bogus F2P model that they are attempting to create without thinking it through and alienate former players looking to come back and have nothing to capture new players.

how is this alienating ANYONE? I just don't understand.... they are HANDING YOU an option to play in a limited scope FOR FREE.

As I said in my previous post this isn't a free to play model. This isn't intended to let subscribers drop their sub and keep playing with everything they have. This is intended to bring in new revenue and entice old subscribers, who aren't paying, to come back and play... and hopefully reignite their desire to resub.

The subscription model is the primary model for coh. This is not changing in Freedom. All freedom will be is a much broader free trial without a time limit.

I'll say it again... YOU AREN'T LOSING ANYTHING AS LONG AS YOU MAINTAIN YOUR SUB. The only thing that changes for you is that if you do unsub THE DEVS ARE BEING KIND ENOUGH TO STILL LET YOU LOG IN AND PLAY IN A LIMITED FASHION. And complaining about it like they are doing something wrong to you is insulting the devs and being ungrateful for the very GENEROUS option they are giving you.