I can respect the not leveling attitude. But I ask you this question. If this game isn't about leveling and moving up then why did we get levels to 50, Alpha, D, I, J, L and soon we'll get more and Omega. You don't have to level but your missing the point of the game. I have a friend that feels similar to you and his characters are stuck at 20/30s because he won't focus on maturating them. He missed out on alpha and all the rest of the content. He really should be in this community but he likes throwing/flushing away money monthly without ever seeing a return on his investment(ROI). It's his money but he's underachieving in his current state.
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There's far more content to do at 20 than at 50.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
II have a friend that feels similar to you and his characters are stuck at 20/30s because he won't focus on maturating them. He missed out on alpha and all the rest of the content.
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What. If you look at the actual return, in terms of how much your account sells for, then you're making far below minimum wage. It's not a very smart way of looking at the game. If you look at the return in terms of entertainment value (as your friend is clearly doing), then there's no particular reason to rush to 50 if you like the lower level content more. Hell, that's a reason to slow down your advancement.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
I can respect the not leveling attitude. But I ask you this question. If this game isn't about leveling and moving up then why did we get levels to 50, Alpha, D, I, J, L and soon we'll get more and Omega. You don't have to level but your missing the point of the game. I have a friend that feels similar to you and his characters are stuck at 20/30s because he won't focus on maturating them. He missed out on alpha and all the rest of the content. He really should be in this community but he likes throwing/flushing away money monthly without ever seeing a return on his investment(ROI). It's his money but he's underachieving in his current state.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
I can respect the not leveling attitude. But I ask you this question. If this game isn't about leveling and moving up then why did we get levels to 50, Alpha, D, I, J, L and soon we'll get more and Omega. You don't have to level but your missing the point of the game. I have a friend that feels similar to you and his characters are stuck at 20/30s because he won't focus on maturating them. He missed out on alpha and all the rest of the content. He really should be in this community but he likes throwing/flushing away money monthly without ever seeing a return on his investment(ROI). It's his money but he's underachieving in his current state.
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This game gives you choices so that you can play the way you want to. Not everyone is going to play the same way, and you shouldn't expect them to have the same goals that you do.
My ROI is the fun that I get from playing the game. It's the exact same as yours. However, we measure fun differently. And that's not a problem. That a good way to create a game: appeal to as many people as possible. You consider it underachieving. I don't think that the point of a GAME is achieving, but having fun.
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Exsqueeze me? Infinite content? Isn't that what AE was intended for rather than repeating the same farm over and over and over and over and over and over and over ad infinitum?
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Here's the thing, what Return on Investment do you expect to get from playing a video game? As far as I know Paragon Studios does not pay you for every level 50 you get so from a strictly money point of view everyone is paying their $15 a month and getting absolutely nothing back, what a rip off, we should all quit and invest our subscription fees in lottery tickets which have a much better ROI (you'll still lose money, but you'd occasionally win $5 or so and therefore lose less money spending $15 a month on lottery tickets).|
Originally Posted by Residentx10
I can respect the not leveling attitude. But I ask you this question. If this game isn't about leveling and moving up then why did we get levels to 50, Alpha, D, I, J, L and soon we'll get more and Omega. You don't have to level but your missing the point of the game. I have a friend that feels similar to you and his characters are stuck at 20/30s because he won't focus on maturating them. He missed out on alpha and all the rest of the content. He really should be in this community but he likes throwing/flushing away money monthly without ever seeing a return on his investment(ROI). It's his money but he's underachieving in his current state.
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Now, obviously, that is stupid. We don't play City of Heroes to make money (well, ok technically the Inf sellers do but they are a minority) we play it because it's fun. If your friend is having fun leveling characters to 20-30 then making a new character who are you to tell him that he's doing it wrong? As long as he's getting his $15/month of fun out of the game he's getting a positive ROI.
Now, your friend is not the only person doing this, when the level to unlock the EATs was reduced to 20 the devs mentioned that there were a surprisingly large number of players who lacked even a single level 50 character. The thing to remember is that different players find different things fun. You enjoy leveling characters and maxxing them out. That's fine but it's not the only way to play. Other people like playing new characters but get bored of them in the mid-30s when leveling starts to really slow down and move on to something else.
At the end of the day as long as you're having fun then you're dding it right.
I read most of this thread but got bored of the constant back and forth. I would just like to comment on the original post and say that if I lead and form a team, then happen to dc, I feel I have every right to ask for the star back and get it without much question. I took the time to get online, to continue recruiting between missions(or in a lot of cases recently, trials) instead of going afk for whatever. I don't look at it as taking my time playing the game to enjoy it, I love this game and see it more as getting the most value of my somewhat limited time online. So the response to just quit and go solo is completely bogus. There are not always pools and pools of people who want to team. Please have the courtesy to respect my investment in leading a team.
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I would just like to comment on the original post and say that if I lead and form a team, then happen to dc, I feel I have every right to ask for the star back and get it without much question.
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At the end of the day as long as you're having fun then you're doing it right.
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What I meant was investing in your characters to develop them. A character needs to get to at least 30-35. Mid-thirties is when you get all of your powers. Bored...I don't buy that.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Here's the thing, what Return on Investment do you expect to get from playing a video game? As far as I know Paragon Studios does not pay you for every level 50 you get so from a strictly money point of view everyone is paying their $15 a month and getting absolutely nothing back, what a rip off, we should all quit and invest our subscription fees in lottery tickets which have a much better ROI (you'll still lose money, but you'd occasionally win $5 or so and therefore lose less money spending $15 a month on lottery tickets).
Now, obviously, that is stupid. We don't play City of Heroes to make money (well, ok technically the Inf sellers do but they are a minority) we play it because it's fun. If your friend is having fun leveling characters to 20-30 then making a new character who are you to tell him that he's doing it wrong? As long as he's getting his $15/month of fun out of the game he's getting a positive ROI. Now, your friend is not the only person doing this, when the level to unlock the EATs was reduced to 20 the devs mentioned that there were a surprisingly large number of players who lacked even a single level 50 character. The thing to remember is that different players find different things fun. You enjoy leveling characters and maxxing them out. That's fine but it's not the only way to play. Other people like playing new characters but get bored of them in the mid-30s when leveling starts to really slow down and move on to something else. At the end of the day as long as you're having fun then you're dding it right. |
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Why? Sure, if you're a power gamer the mid-30s is when characters start to get really good, you get your really high level powers, which are often the best in the sets and have enough slots to really start fleshing out lower level powers. But if you just want to punch bad guys in the face and get new powers to play with then it's the worst part of the game. The time between levels stretches out and most of the time when you do level you "just" get slots which are boring compared to new powers. At that point rolling a new character can seem very appealing. You'll get two new powers to try immediately and probably get another 3 or 4 before the evening is out.|
Originally Posted by Residentx10
What I meant was investing in your characters to develop them. A character needs to get to at least 30-35. Mid-thirties is when you get all of your powers. Bored...I don't buy that.
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You have to remember that this forum is primarily populated by power gamers. There are plenty of other players who really do not care about that, they just want to try new things and punch ad guys in the face and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
He really should be in this community but he likes throwing/flushing away money monthly without ever seeing a return on his investment(ROI). It's his money but he's underachieving in his current state.
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Now I need to go see if Underachiever or some variation on it is available as a character name.
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I blinked at this comment, particularly the underlined part, then laughed out loud.
Now I need to go see if Underachiever or some variation on it is available as a character name. |
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Turn XP off at lvl 1 and just run around atlas brawling Hellions!
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But wait, according to this thread 30 is still underachieving so I can at least get up to there. I'll stick to using Axe Kick and Dragon's Tail on Freakshow in Bricks.
I took Residentx10's post for what it was, an observation. I never saw any negativity or bad intentions, he was just commenting. In terms of being a control freak, most people always want the highest level person as the lead, unless they don't care. In this case 7 of 8 did, and they did what they wanted to, formed their own team. No problems, no issues.
It's all good Residentx10.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
The big picture is that nothing last forever....even in a game. Few studios can create infinite content because they have finite resources. A story begins and ends.
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No studio can ever create infinite content.
Your comments are so obvious and self-evident as to be meaningless.
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If this is your first time playing I'm sympathetic but if you play this again, the thrill is gone.
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Not everyone care about leveling as fast as possible. This may come as a shock, but some people just enjoy playing their characters, and it doesn't really matter to them how fast they level.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
It's not "MY" big picture. It's the BIG PICTURE of COH...you'll play these mishes over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
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There are also several origin contacts in the 20 to 30 range that give duplicate missions. I try to avoid these unless the contacts bar is not full.Here's the real shocker, I play with my experience turned off probably 80% of the time so I don't out level any contacts before I can complete them.
It takes me some time to get a character from 1 to 50 and I try to stick with each unless I'm really not having fun playing them. So it is a long time between the agains for me. Most of the time I can't even remember what a mission is about when I do it the next time (and I play almost every day)
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I can have fun playing lowbies. I'm sorry that you can't.
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And before you accuse me of "twisting" your words, like you did with someone else; "I just see everything as a stepping stone." Those *ARE* your words.
The big picture is that nothing last forever....even in a game. Few studios can create infinite content because they have finite resources. A story begins and ends.
I will accuse you of twisting my words because you didn't read the comments of my previous contact with user, he/she accused me of "hating the lowbie experience" when I just commented on the 1 experience out lots I have with CoH.