Casual Ebil Achieved!


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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Hi there, I'm McNum, and I used to hate the market. It was a dark, unfair place where few rich players were out to grief the little guy. In this case "little guy" meaning me and "grief" mean price stuff higher than I had ever seen Inf. I was an annoying little whiner, in other words. That is, until last October.

Last October, I cautiously approached the scary place that is the Market Forum. For I had a pile of Merits, but no clue what to do. As I said back then, I felt like a Dachshund who had caught a car. Great, but now what? You were all very helpful, and thanks to your advice, I got my pile of Merits turned into some three hundred million Inf, causing me to dream of IO'd characters and a billion Inf. I worked slowly on it, playing market casually until I19 hit and I dusted off my old favorite: Aegis Rose, Forcefield Defender. She was running all SOs (and a couple of HOs), so it was time to put what I learned earlier to the test. One month later and I posted a genuine thank you note as what you had taught me had allowed me to not just fully IO out my Defender, but doing so at a profit. Something I would have considered impossible a year ago.

In that thread I may also have said this:

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I could probably start aiming for the cap, just to post a monocle and top hat picture.
Well... A promise is a promise.


(I should probably apologize for the size of the image, but somehow I find it fitting that it's that big.)

I did it. I actually pulled it off. I am a double Inf billionaire! Woo!

It was a silly goal that I honestly didn't think I could do, mainly because I like the market, but I am a pretty casual marketeer. Not spending more than 10 minutes on average when I log in, which isn't even daily, yet I did it.

So thanks guys! Special shout out to Fulmens and Eric Nelson who gave me the advice that sparked this mad idea and Fury Flechette's "A simple illustrated guide to make inf" guide. It works, I can testify to that. The tip on putting stuff up for sale below market price to sell faster is awesome.

Also, to answer my own question from a little over a week ago, This is what happens when you hit the Inf cap:



So I think all that's left to say now is this:
"Hi, I'm McNum, a casually EBIL marketeer!"

So... now what do I do? Mad spending spree? Do it again? Teach others to do it?


Aegis Rose, Forcefield/Energy Defender - Freedom
"Bubble up for safety!"

 

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Congrats.



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Congrats!

What to do? Well, you might start looking at what would be a dream build for your favorite character or for a new character, or just decent builds for several characters. Since you're marketing so casually I'd just keep doing that, the next billion will come before you even know it. I use the money I make to outfit my various characters with the best builds I can come up with... but I have to market more aggressively to manage my recent builds. ^_^ (I spent something like 3 billion just on Friday -- on two Panaceas and an Apocalpyse, although I overpaid a bit as it turns out).



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Congratulations on the cap. And the top hat and monocle, too

Once you've inf capped your first toon, the second takes less effort. Significantly less effort.

So far as decking out another of your alts with IO's, I'd personally suggest only doing that if you actually enjoy the process of coming up with the build and implementing it.

I hate the faff on involved in the whole process, so I've IO'd the grand total of one of my toons properly, and he's my Stone/Fire scranker who's now effectively immune to normal content (by my definition of being able to survive aggro capped Carnival of Shadows indefinitely with no end or health problems).


Warning:

The above post may contain Cynicism, sarcasm and/or pessimism. If you object to the quantities contained, then tough.

 

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Congrats. It really is nice to see someone pipe up now and again about making towering piles of money in the game without doing any of the things that sometimes people claim must be the only way such things are possible.


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Gratz!

Nice achievment, great picture, and an even better story - Full Points!


Cheers,
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I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.

 

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So... now what do I do?
What do you mean? Now you can play the game.


 

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Well, the first thing I did was frivolous spending. I bought my last Incarnate slot. You know, because I could. Lore Unlocked! 50 million Inf out the window, then I claimed my other sale, and I was back at the cap.

Is it normal to end up with a twisted sense of Inf from doing this? I used to be a penny pusher, thinking 10 million as a lot, now I can lose 20 million in a typo and just laugh it off. Or spotting a cheap recipe/expensive IO combination and just throwing 100 million at it in a blink of an eye knowing that it'll come back threefold or better?

Also, just for the record, I hit the cap without ever holding a purple recipe. They just don't drop for me, ever. I considered flipping some, but decided against it since I had a niche or two that were slow but steady profit and was happy with that. I also didn't farm, don't like doing that. Plus, you know, Forcefield/Energy Defenders don't farm that well. I did, however, handle several of the good stuff IOs, like Numinas, LotGs, and Miracles.

But yeah, you're probably right. I should keep on doing it, I'm not going to burn my Inf in a giant fire pit, though. I got several characters that could use a boost for IOs so that comes first. Plus helping out friends and SG mates find the IOs they want at a good price.

Yet... I still find purples to be overpriced for what they do. Not that I'd be asking less myself if I actually got a drop, of course.


Aegis Rose, Forcefield/Energy Defender - Freedom
"Bubble up for safety!"

 

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Is it normal to end up with a twisted sense of Inf from doing this? I used to be a penny pusher, thinking 10 million as a lot, now I can lose 20 million in a typo and just laugh it off. Or spotting a cheap recipe/expensive IO combination and just throwing 100 million at it in a blink of an eye knowing that it'll come back threefold or better?
Pretty much and in real life it's the reason so many lottery winners end up bankrupt. Of course in CoH if that happens it's pretty easy to make more.

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Yet... I still find purples to be overpriced for what they do. Not that I'd be asking less myself if I actually got a drop, of course.
Oh definitely. A lot of the really high priced recipes (purples and the more popular PvPIOs) are really bad value for money. Of course if you can afford them...

EDIT: Also congrats on being officially ebil.


 

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So... now what do I do? Mad spending spree? Do it again? Teach others to do it?
Keep going until you can hold 2 billion inf, have filled your market slots with 2-billion inf bids, and have 20 999,999,999 inf e-mails to yourself.

Then go buy yourself something nice.

Like Talos Island.



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So... now what do I do?
You go out and buy SOs for all your level 50 characters, now that you're in the top 5% of players that can actually afford to do so.

Last time I hit 2 billion, I put in a bid for a level 10 Glad Armor +Def, figuring that I'd either have 2 bil in storage, or I'd get a deal on a super expensive IO. 3 days later, I won the lottery. Your results may vary.

For 2 billion Inf, you can do a lot. You can make an incredible build for almost any character, or a really really good build for several. You can make sure that every character you make for quite some time starts with a few million, and have each of them marketeer a bit as you level them. You can hoard it so that you've got something comfortable to sit on, or join the 88's and throw it in the money pit to keep warm over the winter. You can give it too noobs (By the way, my friends call me a noob ALL THE TIME. Ask Eric Nelson, he'll vouch for me), or hold a costume contest.

Right now, I have 3-4 billion, spread between a few characters. I'm a hoarder, so I have a ton of good stuff in storage, plus thousands of merits and dozens of A-Merits. And even though I alt a lot, I have more than I know what to do with. It's a dilemma many of us suffer, but I'd rather not know what to spend my money on, than not have the money to slot my characters with.


@Roderick

 

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Congratulations!!


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You go out and buy SOs for all your level 50 characters, now that you're in the top 5% of players that can actually afford to do so.
I'm the what now? Huh, never thought about that, I guess I am in the top 5%. I've just been focused on hitting the cap, not really thinking about what that means in the bigger picture.

To me, the important thing about this, though, is not so much that I actually have that much Inf on hand. That's nice and all, and made for a fun screenshot, but the real reward is knowing how to do so again. My Inf count might say 2 billion, but it's just a number. I can afford anything I want now, some of it will just take a little time and patience to gather up the extra Inf for.

I think that's the last step in the transformation to EBIL marketeer isn't it? The realization that what I have on hand is actually irrelevant. What matters is that I know how to make Inf off the market, with surprising ease now. I'm actually beginning to see how the firepit makes sense, but I'm still going to spend my Inf on IO builds and similar before I start burning it for fun.


Aegis Rose, Forcefield/Energy Defender - Freedom
"Bubble up for safety!"

 

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Sorry, that's kind of a Market forums inside joke. I can't find the post, but one poster who's rather notorious on the forums once made the claim that "95% of the playerbase can't afford SOs at level 50". I was commenting that you are now in the top 5% that can afford SOs.


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Sorry, that's kind of a Market forums inside joke. I can't find the post, but one poster who's rather notorious on the forums once made the claim that "95% of the playerbase can't afford SOs at level 50". I was commenting that you are now in the top 5% that can afford SOs.
Ah, I just assumed it was a typo and you meant set IOs, even then top 5% seems a bit low. Someone actually said that only 5% could afford SOs at level 50? I have no idea what to say about that, you get more than enough Inf just leveling to 50.


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Sorry, that's kind of a Market forums inside joke. I can't find the post, but one poster who's rather notorious on the forums once made the claim that "95% of the playerbase can't afford SOs at level 50". I was commenting that you are now in the top 5% that can afford SOs.
I remember where it was because it was in response to one of my posts, and I don't make many of them:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...7&postcount=17

*edit* Beaten to the punch!


 

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Well, the first thing I did was frivolous spending. I bought my last Incarnate slot. You know, because I could. Lore Unlocked! 50 million Inf out the window, then I claimed my other sale, and I was back at the cap.

Is it normal to end up with a twisted sense of Inf from doing this? I used to be a penny pusher, thinking 10 million as a lot, now I can lose 20 million in a typo and just laugh it off.

But yeah, you're probably right. I should keep on doing it, I'm not going to burn my Inf in a giant fire pit, though. I got several characters that could use a boost for IOs so that comes first. Plus helping out friends and SG mates find the IOs they want at a good price.

Yet... I still find purples to be overpriced for what they do. Not that I'd be asking less myself if I actually got a drop, of course.
Congratz! And nice color scheme btw! I like the outfit.

No shame in being a penny pusher. I'm still one even while holding several billions. Since you mentioned SG and are wondering what to spend with your earnings, I suggest making your own. Your heroes deserve a lair you can show off, and you can use it store IOs for the toons that you are leveling but aren't yet able to slot them... yet. I try to start collecting IOs even when my toon is a lowbie so that I have a bunch ready to slot by the time the toon hits 50.

As for purples, I have played this game for about a year, and none of my toons have any purples. A few have LOTG7.5s. Are my toons gimped? With several 'Master of' badges on each one and Tier 4 Alpha, I don't feel like they are. Purples to me, are icing on the cake, but not really necessary to play content.

Also, a lot of people view marketing as a deterrent or not in line with their heroes' concept. I am glad for you that you overcame that. It does take a little bit of time, but as you have discovered, it's small relative to some of the long task forces that can take over an hour. You will have to invest some time to build your toons, but the benefits in the long run will keep you happy playing them.

Welcome to the Ebil Club!


 

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Congratz! And nice color scheme btw! I like the outfit.

No shame in being a penny pusher. I'm still one even while holding several billions. Since you mentioned SG and are wondering what to spend with your earnings, I suggest making your own. Your heroes deserve a lair you can show off, and you can use it store IOs for the toons that you are leveling but aren't yet able to slot them... yet. I try to start collecting IOs even when my toon is a lowbie so that I have a bunch ready to slot by the time the toon hits 50.

As for purples, I have played this game for about a year, and none of my toons have any purples. A few have LOTG7.5s. Are my toons gimped? With several 'Master of' badges on each one and Tier 4 Alpha, I don't feel like they are. Purples to me, are icing on the cake, but not really necessary to play content.

Also, a lot of people view marketing as a deterrent or not in line with their heroes' concept. I am glad for you that you overcame that. It does take a little bit of time, but as you have discovered, it's small relative to some of the long task forces that can take over an hour. You will have to invest some time to build your toons, but the benefits in the long run will keep you happy playing them.

Welcome to the Ebil Club!
That outfit is a modified version of Rose's normal formalwear. Since that mission appeared in the RWZ with the peace conference, I've always made the fourth costume into formalwear of some kind. She doesn't normally wear the hat and monocle, but she's all red, white, and gold in all her costumes. The rest are more silver age heroic, though.

As for concept, it's easy. Influence can be many things, after all. Everyone knows that Aegis Rose has toiled night and day at the University to make wonderful magical trinkets for her fellow heroes to use. She's influential in the "magical Reed Richards" kind of way. See, it's easy to justify being a greedy marketeer in character?

I actually remember the moment that made me do a double take on the Market. I was just about to do my usual "dump everything on the market at a low price" thing with yet another Acc recipe, when I checked out on a whim what people were paying for the finished IO. Five times what they were paying for the recipe, easily covering the crafting costs. I then bought up the remaining recipes and put the finished IOs up for sale. That was my first half million of marketeering profit. Then I used Hero Merits to get some good stuff and, well, here I am.

As far as IO power goes, Rose has good allround Defenses. Nothing softcapped, since I also went for damage buffs. She's actually pretty powerful, especially now that she has Incarnate buffs. She'll never solo an AV, but anything less is fair game. Also on Lambda runs, Rose is right there in the thick of it with the melee types during the sabotage. It takes more than that to scare her.


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Sadly, yes. Here's the post in case you're curious:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...97#post3250297
Ha! I'd forgotten about the simultaneous claim that it was against the rules to use the trade interface.

Thanks for the link.


@Roderick