Will the Eden Trial be fixed in time for the WST?
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ArcticFahx,
Posted on: 2011-04-30 08:55 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
It's broken? o.O
Goodbye. Not to the game, but the players. Goodbye. Everyone, remember to have fun. That's all I can say.
It's been bugged forever only allowing levels 39-41 be able to start it. Any higher than that and you can't start it.
Devs, can you please finally fix the Eden trial?
Eden Trial is WAI.
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Then the intention is rather stupid.
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Originally Posted by Shadowe
Eden Trial is WAI.
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Yes, a fix would be nice. This bug is beyond ancient. Anyone that says WAI is being sarcastic.
Jer
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Originally Posted by SeedyXX
Yes, a fix would be nice. This bug is beyond ancient. Anyone that says WAI is being sarcastic.
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No, I wasn't being sarcastic.
The Eden Trial level limitation is an intended design feature. As such, it is WAI. Now, we can debate whether that's a good or a bad feature, but what it is NOT is a bug.
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; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
It broken in two ways:
There is no auto-exemp for the person who starts it.
The goals withing the Trial can be made trivially easy with certain powers, tactics, and/or exploits, thus making it a 15 minute affair... which is why it only give 2 Merits so it can't be farmed.
The Devs collected from players a list of all known short-cuts and exploits several years ago intimating they were looking into a fix. That fix never materialized.
And possibly because it is so broken, that they never fixed the level requirements.
Which is why it is bizarre to see it listed as a WST. They have tacitly admitted it is broken. Thus, it should never have made it to the WST list.
Maybe this was a decision of a newbie in Production who doesn't know its history.
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No, it *is* a bug.|
Originally Posted by Shadowe
I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth.
No, I wasn't being sarcastic. The Eden Trial level limitation is an intended design feature. As such, it is WAI. Now, we can debate whether that's a good or a bad feature, but what it is NOT is a bug. |
All trials and TFs in the game were changed so that someone who has outleveled them can start them through the auto-exemp feature. Eden got overlooked. But, as my post above explains, it has bigger problems than not properly auto-exemplaring.
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It's working as designed. The design has a flaw. The flaw wasn't intended. It resulted in disbanding the team when they started the trial. Disbanding a team without warning is not a feature. Now with supersidekicking it doesn't disband the team, which proves that the disbanding wasn't a game feature or they would keep it in the game. The bug currently causes the team to stay together without any assigned mission. This isn't a game feature.|
Originally Posted by Shadowe
I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth.
No, I wasn't being sarcastic. The Eden Trial level limitation is an intended design feature. As such, it is WAI. Now, we can debate whether that's a good or a bad feature, but what it is NOT is a bug. |
It's a bug from issue 2 or so. I'd like to see it get some eyes on it.
Jer
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I do not think this is correct. ParagonWiki says it's a bug. Unless you can provide a citation stating otherwise . . . .
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Originally Posted by Shadowe
The Eden Trial level limitation is an intended design feature. As such, it is WAI.
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Holy...they're actually MAYBE gonna fix it?
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It's a bug from Issue 5. Before then, you had to be in level range for a Task Force in order to be a part of it, not just to start it; and you would be dropped out of it if you became higher level for any reason. Higher level characters could only join a Task Force if they were exemplared into range by another character, and if the lower level "anchor" disconnected for any reason, the exemplared character would be instantly dropped because of going back to their natural level. Issue 5 changed this, and allowed players of any level (above the minimum, of course) to start Task Forces.|
Originally Posted by SeedyXX
It's a bug from issue 2 or so.
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The relevant patch note is: "Any character above the maximum level for a Task Force will be automatically exemplared to the maximum level of that Task Force when they join, and will remain exemplared until they leave the Task Force." Eden got the "auto exemplar higher level characters" part of the update, but it never allowed higher level characters to start it.
So technically, yes, it's a design feature -- from way back when the game started, and before the Issue 5 change.
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Originally Posted by Leandro
...Higher level characters could only join a Task Force if they were exemplared into range by another character, and if the lower level "anchor" disconnected for any reason, the exemplared character would be instantly dropped because of going back to their natural level...
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I remember that vividly...I was playing my main (EI) and was doing a Positron TF and was exemp'ed down by a sgmate. We get to the last mission of the TF and bam, he DCs....and there I go getting kicked out
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They need to add a map while their fixing the horrible level range bug (WAI or not, it's still a load of utter *******s)
Trying to navigate those tunnels with ******* -every travel power Swarms, high con DE and miles to go is....not fun, shall we say. I have some choice words for the first, last and only Eden trial I ever ran.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Not every travel power... I did some speed runs of Eden back in Issue 9 and Issue 10, and the teams that ran it back then used Team Teleport for it. It was very confusing to be attacking the wall and then WHAM, suddenly ported elsewhere... but it made every run be over in under 10 minutes.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
They need to add a map while their fixing the horrible level range bug (WAI or not, it's still a load of utter *******s)
Trying to navigate those tunnels with ******* -every travel power Swarms, high con DE and miles to go is....not fun, shall we say. I have some choice words for the first, last and only Eden trial I ever ran. |
Which is why it awards 2 merits now. Nobody's running it like that anymore, but it has an awful reward so nobody's tempted to do it either.
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If you get hit by the Swarms, even that isn't an option anymore. They magically have -Teleport now. One of the only enemies in game capable of doing that, and their a bunch of bugs.....really? *sigh*
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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10 to 1 it gets removed from the WST list and they still never fix it
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They sting the **** out of you. Teleport takes concentration. Yes it's an annoying feature; it's to insure you fight the enemies in that room(and thus get Ambrosia for the final fight).
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
If you get hit by the Swarms, even that isn't an option anymore. They magically have -Teleport now. One of the only enemies in game capable of doing that, and their a bunch of bugs.....really? *sigh*
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7 merits, not 2
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Originally Posted by Leandro
Not every travel power... I did some speed runs of Eden back in Issue 9 and Issue 10, and the teams that ran it back then used Team Teleport for it. It was very confusing to be attacking the wall and then WHAM, suddenly ported elsewhere... but it made every run be over in under 10 minutes.
Which is why it awards 2 merits now. Nobody's running it like that anymore, but it has an awful reward so nobody's tempted to do it either. |
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Originally Posted by Thraxis
10 to 1 it gets removed from the WST list and they still never fix it
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...64#post3619464
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I think it was because they weren't going to get the fix in time, and, quite frankly, who wants to do a 14 merit anymore?
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Originally Posted by Thraxis
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Eden was a great trial. Lots of fun. Hardly anyone does it anymore, one because of the awful rewards and two because of the stupid level range rule to start it. They fixed the sewer trial, how hard can it be to fix this one too?
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Simple question since it is featured as an upcoming WST.
I hope to Rularuu that the devs finally fix this trial. Almost 4 years into this game and I never once have been able to try it.