The queue timer takes into account all members of a preformed league that joins the queue and immediately starts, since the time spent outside the queue while the league formed is not counted the average times displayed have no relation to reality.
You are only added to a preformed league if they're under the minimum when they join the queue or if you are tagged to join existing events and they drop below that minimum during the trial. This is working as intended, it allows for 'private' trials.
Bingo.
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Originally Posted by Edana
The queue timer takes into account all members of a preformed league that joins the queue and immediately starts, since the time spent outside the queue while the league formed is not counted the average times displayed have no relation to reality.
You are only added to a preformed league if they're under the minimum when they join the queue or if you are tagged to join existing events and they drop below that minimum during the trial. This is working as intended, it allows for 'private' trials. |
Seriously, how often do yu ever see a league with lower than minimal standards to start a trial? I didn't think you could start one with less than minimal. How often does a league drop below that minimum standards during a raid? I know I've seen this work once for me the first day I20 went live. To me it's a useless feature.
Allow people to join if the league isn't full, that way people aren't left out to dry when it comes tot he raid content.
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Which IMO, is totally useless.
Seriously, how often do yu ever see a league with lower than minimal standards to start a trial? I didn't think you could start one with less than minimal. How often does a league drop below that minimum standards during a raid? I know I've seen this work once for me the first day I20 went live. To me it's a useless feature. Allow people to join if the league isn't full, that way people aren't left out to dry when it comes tot he raid content. |
The DEVs should give us a toggle that can set the league to private. That way we can join in progress "pug" leagues, and people can have 'private' leagues.
For now I've all but given up on the turnstile. I've waited hours for the silly thing to work.
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Originally Posted by Draugadan
Absolutely.
The DEVs should give us a toggle that can set the league to private. That way we can join in progress "pug" leagues, and people can have 'private' leagues. For now I've all but given up on the turnstile. I've waited hours for the silly thing to work. |
I used that feature a few times in the first week after I 20 hit and got on a few teams with minimum numbers of members required. At times it was fine since we had some people that knew what to do but other times it could be a disaster. I haven't even tried it recently.. last time I did almost 30 minutes went by with no invite. I get the feeling most players have decided to form leagues first and then join the Q. You get better control over what ATs you have on your team that way and a much better chance for success. Now I have had leagues that got to say 22 members and just joined the Q hoping to pick up a member or two that may have been in Q waiting for an invite but to be honest I don't think we got many people that way.. probably because people just are signing up any more.
At some point they may tweek the LFG so it works better but for now it seems like most are ignoring it. The LEAGUE concept is still good and players are using it to form everything from BAF/LAMs, COPs, Hami Raids and Motherships Raids. League chat makes it much simpler for the LEADER to communicate with everyone and coordinate things faster.
Not sure we really need a PRIVATE league option I don't know of any league I have been on that wasn't at least in part a PUG. One group of players or one SG may have started the thing but to get 24 people together for a BAF run they all ending up advertising in broadcast and on Globals for added members. Most leagues I have run with did multiple runs to get powers opened and grab as many threads and components as possible.. between runs there have always been players that had to leave and new members recruited via PUG. heck all any leader has to do to make a league "private" is not advertise and only invite players they want through Tells, etc..
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I've been on leagues like that and we will actually get up to 24 members before entering the trial, but inevitably one or more of the people in the queue declines or simply doesn't accept the invite before the timer runs out.|
Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
Now I have had leagues that got to say 22 members and just joined the Q hoping to pick up a member or two that may have been in Q waiting for an invite but to be honest I don't think we got many people that way..
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The folks that time out, I can actually understand. they've been sitting there for heaven knows how long and they may have fallen asleep or wandered off to get a drink or something.
It's the folks who actively decline the league invite that puzzle me to no end. I've seen way too many players decline to think it's just a "oops, hit the wrong button" moment. Why are they in the queue in the first place if they have no intention of joining?
Anyway, the queue system is nice on paper, but in the 'real world' it just seems useless.
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My understanding is that anyone using the LFG option can join an active trial that is under the maximum, not the minimum.
I've seen 16 man BAFs where the leader divided us into 3 teams and had each team locked. This is in effect a private raid, since no one can join a locked team.
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My experience with it. I haven't tried Freedom, but it think Freedom and Virtue are the only servers where you could actually use the LFG with mixed results. I've used it a couple times successfully, but I also had to sell the heck out of it in global chat channels, which is practically the same as forming my own group, except I had no idea how many members I had at any given time.
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This is incorrect. I have been on raids that were not full, while people in global channels commented about waiting in the queue. The only time it adds members if it is under maximum is when the leader clicks to enter the queue. After the trial has officially started, no further members are added unless the league drops below the minimum. And only then if people have "join in progress" selected while waiting in the queue.
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My understanding is that anyone using the LFG option can join an active trial that is under the maximum, not the minimum.
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Except that the queue will just add any extra people as a new team. Locking teams does not prevent the queue from adding more people.
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Originally Posted by Hercules
I've seen 16 man BAFs where the leader divided us into 3 teams and had each team locked. This is in effect a private raid, since no one can join a locked team.
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I would love to see this tool improved to work the way most people think it should work, which is to add people to Trials that are below the maximum. That said, I do think there should be a way to lock trials as well as. Having random people coming in and out would make going for badges next to impossible. Lambda is difficult to badge as it is, imagine with random folks turning up who don't know it is a badge run.
LFG feature would be awesome in regular content.
In trials ? Not so sure...
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allow people to join if the league isn't full, that way people aren't left out to dry when it comes tot he raid content.
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Originally Posted by Draugadan
Absolutely.
The DEVs should give us a toggle that can set the league to private. . |
This is an MMO. Private should not even be in the vocabulary. Keeping people who want to team from teaming is very bad for the game!
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This is an MMO. Private should not even be in the vocabulary. Keeping people who want to team from teaming is very bad for the game!
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No one should be forced to team with people they don't want to. Everyone has the right to be selective about who they team with. If a group of players want to run incarnate stuff just amongst their friends/SG/Coalition/private global channel whatever then that's their own damn business. No one has te right to disrupt their fun as long as they are following the rules of the game.
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What Forbin said. Also given the fact that the BAF currently lags horribly on full teams there needs to be a way to run non-full teams.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
This is an MMO. Private should not even be in the vocabulary. Keeping people who want to team from teaming is very bad for the game!
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I tried last night around 2 am est. Couldnt sleep so i thought i would play. Said one min to join after street hunting for about 20 and marketing for about 20 i decided it wasnt working.
There were some bafs going and one that a bud was on only had 18 peeps.
I dont think it is or was it just not working as intended last night?
Has anyone else used it?
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