We will ever get another paid expansion like GR?


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I know we had GR 8 months ago, we got 3 or 4 free issues in a year if we lucky but I would love to have a new paid expansion. I love GR as I think is the best job Paragon studios have ever done, and I want more of that high level quality stuff.

Thing is, what kind of content would have a new expansion?
There's plenty of content to doo, maybe too much, and more TFs and Incarnate trials coming up. Lots of empty pvp and hazard zones... Red side is lacking a new zone for sure, but hero said got too damn many. So...
I think we shoud get an aesthetic paid expansion.
I have some ideas of what this could add:

Character models upgrade. Animated faces, fingers, (even hair) different type of skins patterns to choose (tattoos, scars, feline patterns, scales) and new upgraded body for male, female, brute with high resolution with more realistic muscles, abds, boobs, but keeping same scales values.

Power pools revamp. We know the devs want to do it. They know we want it badly. But is easier to do it from scracht and they dont have time and resources with all the Incarnate stuff coming.
Imagine new and shiny versions of the power pools done in 2011 with "Pay4resources". New awesome animated flight and super speed, new travel powers attacks for speedsters, cool looking teleport and heal other, customizable colours and minimal FX options for the powers, etc...
If this could be part of a paid expansion, they could have the resources in advance to hire more people to work to see it done early.

New powersets. Magic control (Dominators and Controllers) Power armor (Blasters, Defenders and Corruptors) Bo staff ( Tanks, Brutes, Scrappers and Stalkers) Animal summoning (MM)

SG/VG Base love. Thats all.

This are just silly ideas of my wishlist, but the thing is... If CoH2 is not in the works yet, I think we gonna need more stuff to keep us busy.
Some of the playerbase are not happy with the Incarnate stuff, because is stealing dev work and resources from other stuff, like more power customization, new powers for altoholics, and stuff for base lovers.
And some others are just sick of Praetoria, so asking for GR Part 2 with Praetorian content lvls 20-50 is out of question.
What do you guys thinkg about a new expansion?
What kind of content you would like to see if theres has to be a new one?


 

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Considering the recent upgrade to ultra mode and the increased lag in various maps, I REALLY hope they don't touch up the graphics for some time. I see no need for CoH to try and be a bleeding edge graphic game. I had little issue playing the game for almost 5 years on what was under average graphics before I got my new PC.


 

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From the revenue figures we have access to, it seems clear that GR did not generate a huge spike in sales. Therefore, I can conclude that we will not be seeing another paid expansion any time soon.


 

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We can have more stuff to keep us busy and more updates without a paid expansion. A paid expansion has to really have quite a bit more to be worth it - and given the work that goes into one, I wouldn't expect to see another for a few years (if ever, as I think they'd rather go "COH 2" than expand what would probably be a 10-11 year old game at that point.)


 

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A lot of the examples you just gave are really really bad things to put into a PAID EXPANSION.

In video games, expansions are generally NOT supposed to involve altered core game play and are, generally, optional.

I don't think we're see any new paid expansions anytime soon, it's possible that the next one won't be an expansion so much as City of 2, but either way, it's all very doubtful.


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Honestly, about the only thing, retail wise, I would expect from PS in the next 12 - 15 months would be something along the lines of the Good vs. Evil Retail Box.

Something that would have a up-to-date Client & NCSoft launcher bundled with a theme set of some sort. And as being a retail box, it would have the 30-day subscription value along with it. That would seem to be fair in regards to the US Retail products that have come out.

By Summer next year, I would say, would be when something like that should come out anyways...

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From the revenue figures we have access to, it seems clear that GR did not generate a huge spike in sales. Therefore, I can conclude that we will not be seeing another paid expansion any time soon.
This is the bottom line. NCSoft took a chance and increased their investment hugely to create GR. If the result had been significantly profitable, that would easily justify a future paid expansion. I don't think there was any sales spike, though.

My bet is that the CoH team will reposition GR internally to NCSoft management as a nice life extension for the game. While there was no sales spike, a case could be made that between GR and the Incarnate system the tech the new larger team has created has probably extended the game's life by a couple of years.


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From the revenue figures we have access to, it seems clear that GR did not generate a huge spike in sales. Therefore, I can conclude that we will not be seeing another paid expansion any time soon.
Well we are having a crappy economy right now...


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From the revenue figures we have access to, it seems clear that GR did not generate a huge spike in sales. Therefore, I can conclude that we will not be seeing another paid expansion any time soon.
MMO revenue is not affected by sales to a very important degree. What one must judge Going Rogue based on is the number of active subscribers and the concurrent live users at whatever times or peaks are deemed important. We have access to neither of those statistics, so we're guessing blind, as we have been every time someone has cited sales numbers and posted subscriber numbers from 2004-2009 with the next two years "estimated."

However, when we do get another paid expansion eventually, I would very much like to see the content it's advertised on to be part of the actual expansion, not a content patch a year down the line.


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I wouldn't mind the another paid expansion being "buy this to run CoH as CoH2" with a few features for those who don't...like...hey look...the day and night cycle are longer!


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From the revenue figures we have access to, it seems clear that GR did not generate a huge spike in sales. Therefore, I can conclude that we will not be seeing another paid expansion any time soon.
I dont think this game can do something to generate a huge spike in sales.
7 years old games cant do that.
But they have a VERY loyal playerbase, so if most of the players buy the expansion, as we all did with GR can be profitable if the work done can keep suscribers for 1 or 2 years more.
If we didnt had power customization, Ultra mode and GR, the game would be dead and closed, or worst... Gone F2P lol
(This is a joke, with our current economic crisis F2P games are more common, MMO market is changing and some titles can keep a nice level of quality.)
I have doubts about the future of this game right now.
Only thing we know is more Incarnate slots and trials are coming...


 

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From the revenue figures we have access to, it seems clear that GR did not generate a huge spike in sales. Therefore, I can conclude that we will not be seeing another paid expansion any time soon.
Based on looking over quickly the recent quarterly figures, I am inclined to conclude that I agree with your take.


 

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That's two paid expansions over seven years, which is pretty significant...I can't see another boxed set coming out that they'd want to produce with development tools that are being aimed towards newer games.

I think if anything we'd see a CoH2 whereby a lot of the wishlists we've had would be able to be done and from the ground up. I actually think GR is the testbed in a lot of ways where there's no City of this or City of that, but just a City of Superpeople, or even a World of Superpeople. GR broke the mold by allowing every powerset to be taken at character creation.

GR also allowed us the flexibility to turn good, bad, vigilante or rogue at character creation. That's the devs looking forward and saying 'alright, let's not factionalise the playerbase, let's let them choose where they're going'.

CoH2 is the next expansion to me, at least.


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If they do I hope it will be available in the EU, otherwise that would end my subscription.
I'll be damned if my subscription goes towards dvd, boxes and bumpf that won't be any good to my account.
AS the old saying goes "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me".


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I would love another expansion! Hell, I'd love it if they did one every year.


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GR broke the mold by allowing every powerset to be taken at character creation.
No, it did not. Kheldian and Soldier of Arachnos powersets are still unavailable to Praetorian characters. You may call this trivial, but it's pretty solid precedent that they were never aiming for a game which allowed you to take EVERYTHING at create, but more one that allowed for a different subset.

Right now, heroes have 7 ATs to their name: Blaster, Scrapper, Tanker, Defender, Controller, Peacebringer, Warshade

Villains have another 7: Brute, Stalker, Mastermind, Corruptor, Dominator, Arachnos Soldier, Arachnos Widow

Praetorians have 10: Blaster, Scrapper, Tanker, Defender, Controller, Brute, Stalker, Mastermind, Corruptor, Dominator

It's not exactly even, but it's far from one-sided.


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just a City of Superpeople, or even a World of Superpeople.
That only worked because of the storyline of GR - the whole bit about working undercover wouldn't work in a normal non-dictatorship setting - in GR, there's a good story reason for Heroes to work undercover for the Resistance to help fight the dictatorship, but in the normal setting, there's no need for the all secrecy or hiding - Heroes and Villains are out inthe open, just like they currently are in the normal part of the game right now.
Any zone where heroes and vilalins are together, which doesn't have a reason for co-op play or for one side to be working undercover for the other would mean there'd have to be some form of consensual open-world PvP available.


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That's two paid expansions over seven years, which is pretty significant...I can't see another boxed set coming out that they'd want to produce with development tools that are being aimed towards newer games. S.
I dont think is significant...
I would love to have regular expansions aside boosters and free Issues.
More options would always be cool. To me the devs take a lot of time between issues, and I want far more content.


 

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Top notch graphics is not how to build an MMO.

I do think that even if GR wasn't a huge seller, I don't think people can deny the increase of subs as of late. Servers haven't been this lit up since CoV.


 

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But would it work to keep people interrested?

Let's look at it. New expansions come out that people paid for, and the complain that they rushed through it, now they're bored.

At least with Free Issues, those people can't complain about having to pay extra for content they just rush through and don't bother to notice the small things or even take the time to read the missions or what have you.


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I would be very reluctant to support the release of more paid expansions. While I do like GR, it was unfinished and essentially made the next 2+ "free" expansions mostly pointless unless you have GR.

The Booster packs, however I despise. When looked-at as a whole, the boosters are very expensive purchases with very little functionality. If this was a F2P system, I'd not have a problem with them & their prices, but City of Heroes is Pay-to-Play, and thus I consider the Boosters to be double-dipping.


 

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That only worked because of the storyline of GR - the whole bit about working undercover wouldn't work in a normal non-dictatorship setting - in GR, there's a good story reason for Heroes to work undercover for the Resistance to help fight the dictatorship, but in the normal setting, there's no need for the all secrecy or hiding - Heroes and Villains are out inthe open, just like they currently are in the normal part of the game right now.
Any zone where heroes and vilalins are together, which doesn't have a reason for co-op play or for one side to be working undercover for the other would mean there'd have to be some form of consensual open-world PvP available.
I don't think that'd be a bad thing, and so long as it's controlled in a sane way (that if you flag yourself as not PvP or PvP, or some other measure) it'd be more reflective of what we actually see in comic books. I'm not in favor of open-world PvP because of the abuses that can take place, but hey, I'm open to suggestions.

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No, it did not. Kheldian and Soldier of Arachnos powersets are still unavailable to Praetorian characters. You may call this trivial, but it's pretty solid precedent that they were never aiming for a game which allowed you to take EVERYTHING at create, but more one that allowed for a different subset.

Right now, heroes have 7 ATs to their name: Blaster, Scrapper, Tanker, Defender, Controller, Peacebringer, Warshade

Villains have another 7: Brute, Stalker, Mastermind, Corruptor, Dominator, Arachnos Soldier, Arachnos Widow

Praetorians have 10: Blaster, Scrapper, Tanker, Defender, Controller, Brute, Stalker, Mastermind, Corruptor, Dominator

It's not exactly even, but it's far from one-sided.

Picky, picky.

10 out of 14 is pretty good going.


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Give me CoX2 with an upgraded Costume Creator and graphics engine, some new AT's and complete pwr prolification! Thats all...I'm sure we will have more yawnfest incarnet things come out until then!!