Is it worthwhile advancing as an incarnate with DB/WP?
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First of all, everyone's gimped in the trials until you've started getting some of the new incarnate powers, so don't get too stressed out |
Originally Posted by Azaroth
I was on a BAF trial last night with my DB/WP brute and felt almost useless the entire time, I saw an SS/SD brute leap into a massive mob of bosses and destroy them in no time yet I was struggling to stop the escaping mobs during the third phase of the trial. It seems really hard to keep my combos up against a mob who's constantly on the move.
Could anyone with a DB/WP brute give advice if this combo is worth keeping on a brute? Wouldnt like to spend lots of time grinding in the trials only to feel gimped  |
as for stage3 on BaF, it's hard for any melee toon to get powers off and time things right. my main is a elec/shield scrapper and it's impossible for me to use my tp-attacks unless i'm positioned at a spawn-site.
I defo think you should keep your toon though
i can only imagine that DB will become extremely nice with, for example, the Reactive proc from Interface which adds a chance to do -Res on every attack, or perhaps the -Regen one. And with a Judgement power you'll soon be taking those mobs down quite fast as well (personally i highly recommend going Ion, but then i'm biased :P)So yeah, stick with it until you've started getting some powers slotted, you'll notice the difference even before the new levelshifts i assure you
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I agree, while I love my brute I main on an Emp/Sonic. However, even I have noticed the increased damage output that is the Judgement Slot. Before I was just passing howls around and trying to keep others buffed up on all teams. Now, while I still do my main job as a buffer I actually have time to hit them with a howl then judgement and watch the numbers fly. On avs I keep hitting with my fastest DPS chain and watch the glowie aura enhance my already nice -res abilities. I imagine as a brute that the -regen would do more for you solo than the -res but I could be wrong. Also, when you get your lore slot let your new found pets help out with some of those runners. And destiny, well while its not affecting your damage directly if you feel you have a soft spot IE not enough recharge, or defensive numbers needing a boost you can fix that up there. The barrier is nice so you can pop that and hop into a larger mob then you may have been able to before. Just some tips 
Hope it helps and I hope to see you in the Trials some time.
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Thanks for the responses
Will stick with the toon, unlocked the judgement slot last night but havent slotted it as every successful trial I was in offered an uncommon component reward table. So I'm stocked up on uncommons but no commons at all :P
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Might seem hard now to stop the runners in the BAF but stick with it. At the very least unlocking and slotting the tier 1 lore will make a world of difference for you. |
Originally Posted by Azaroth
I was on a BAF trial last night with my DB/WP brute and felt almost useless the entire time, I saw an SS/SD brute leap into a massive mob of bosses and destroy them in no time yet I was struggling to stop the escaping mobs during the third phase of the trial. It seems really hard to keep my combos up against a mob who's constantly on the move.
Could anyone with a DB/WP brute give advice if this combo is worth keeping on a brute? Wouldnt like to spend lots of time grinding in the trials only to feel gimped |
Park those new pets on a pathway with aggressive setting. Just a few members of a League doing this adds a ton of fire power to that section of the event.
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Dont bother with combos then and use whatever attacks work. You should have a couple good cone attacks, an aoe and a couple good single target attacks. Most melee I see either guard the doors or stick too one spot on the path. There should be plenty of ranged folks to help take out what gets past you.
Don't worry about the WP half, I've been doing the trials on my SS/WP with no issues.
The combos are going to be tough for sure, as it is its pretty hard to maintain more than 50% fury with all of the jumping and running around during most of BAF & Lamba - getting of combos on top of that must be even tougher.
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-regen isn't really useful until you get to bosses and harder stuff. I'm having a hard time thinking of how I won't be taking Reactive on any character that has a chance to.
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Originally Posted by SonicRemedy
I imagine as a brute that the -regen would do more for you solo than the -res but I could be wrong.
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Well if you would like some incentive here is some. Say you and one or two other people have the same interface tree slotted. The thing about the debuffs is its a global debuff that only stacks about 5 high. Now, thats no just from you but from all players. Granted while you may be able to keep the bonus stacked it would be better if other players had the other bonuses to gain the maximum effect. Now, if everyone on a team has the same interface (while unlikely) would be less effected that an equal team with varied interfaces slotted. |
Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
-regen isn't really useful until you get to bosses and harder stuff. I'm having a hard time thinking of how I won't be taking Reactive on any character that has a chance to.
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Granted, there is no absolute way to slot these things. Its just an individual choice that you have to make. I went with Reactive myself but mostly for the fire tick cause I already have -res. However, I did give serious thought to the -dmg/def or -regen/tohit. The only thing that I didn't care for was the -slow/reach but that still works for some, just not me.
However, this argument validity in a solo environment so you have to look at that too.
Dreaded Wail hits things freakin' hard.. i like to hit things freakin' hard... so.. id go Wail... SAVE THE WAILS!!!! - Solar_Lunata
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I've been off tanking 9CU adds and dropping like a rock. All that tasty -regen and high fire/energy damage (de softcap, it does notting!) coupled with WPs pathetic resists make me more more blaster than brute. But it's not an issue, as I was beginning to fear I'd never get to the next damage taken badge. |
Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Don't worry about the WP half, I've been doing the trials on my SS/WP with no issues.
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(Mind you, I'm back to my awesome self if anyone throws an ice shield or forcefield at me. Or I use a small luck.)
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If they get to hang around for a while, yeah pretty much anyone is toast.|
Originally Posted by TheBruteSquad
I've been off tanking 9CU adds and dropping like a rock. All that tasty -regen and high fire/energy damage (de softcap, it does notting!) coupled with WPs pathetic resists make me more more blaster than brute. But it's not an issue, as I was beginning to fear I'd never get to the next damage taken badge.
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They definitely get the better of me here and there, but I don't feel like a blaster.
As long as you like the toon then yes, of course its worthwhile. And yes, a lot of the mobs hit hard...really really hard. We brutes can no longer go off in a different direction then everyone else, or deal blaster lvls of dmg while also acting as the main tank. You really do need to stay with everyone.
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I'm happy enough with willpower but was more concerned with the relatively low damage output that DB seems to have compared to SS for example. It seems to take a while to burn down bosses that I've seen other primaries take down in a quarter of the time.
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Agreed, even the 25% chance for DoT on the uncommon seems to fire alot when chaining AoE.|
Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
-regen isn't really useful until you get to bosses and harder stuff. I'm having a hard time thinking of how I won't be taking Reactive on any character that has a chance to.
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I'm *almost* tempted to try out the one that slows on my sp/da scrapper, but I doubt it. The DoT is too much fun, and if that one ever gets to 50 it'll be hard to pass up.
Call me crazy, but I like the extra DoT so much that I'm probably going to sit on the far right Rare for a while (the 75% chance for dmg, with no -res proc). The rare will come eventually, but at the rate I play it will take a while.
For ze OP:
As far as the escapee phase, I found that standing right in front of the door works best for my wm/sd brute. With DB you probably have a decent AoE chain - more with Judgement - so I'd try that. Let your team mates behind you get the runners that make it through. Folks pretty much have the idea of how to get this done now and should be backing you up. I don't think that brutes are a good choice for chasing runners, but my experienced is limited, so ymmv.
Scrappers and blasters are better at ganking runners by far. Stand in a door and beat the everloving crap out of everything that comes out of it. Even if you don't finish a lieutenant you've at least brought him low enough that a scrapper on pathway rampage will take him out in a hit or two. Of course, since you're fighting in the door constantly your fury gets high enough that more often than not you do a hell of a lot more to said lieutenant than soften him up.
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I had an argument with a league leader over this.|
Originally Posted by TheBruteSquad
Scrappers and blasters are better at ganking runners by far.
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He was telling the Brutes to chase runners and Scrappers to man the doors.
And I was explaining that while Scrappers are great at both jobs, Brutes don't handle the runners as well as Scrappers do and that he should have the Brutes manning the doors instead.
Not to mention that Brutes tend to have more softcontrols on average than Scrappers, which is useful at the doors.
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Well, I did take some time to think more on this and I don't think Reactive is the no brainer pick for me as originally thought. One reason is I'm way more into concept than what's uber. For a number of builds the Fire DoT makes no sense whatsoever. A number of builds do play well with the other ones as well. I think in my head the -end one will go well with my Kin/elec. The -dmg one would be good for my Claws/regen because less incoming damage means less need to regen, or click heal. I think a KM/sd with it would be rather nice with all of the -dmg it brings.
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Originally Posted by SonicRemedy
Well if you would like some incentive here is some. Say you and one or two other people have the same interface tree slotted. The thing about the debuffs is its a global debuff that only stacks about 5 high. Now, thats no just from you but from all players. Granted while you may be able to keep the bonus stacked it would be better if other players had the other bonuses to gain the maximum effect. Now, if everyone on a team has the same interface (while unlikely) would be less effected that an equal team with varied interfaces slotted.
Granted, there is no absolute way to slot these things. Its just an individual choice that you have to make. I went with Reactive myself but mostly for the fire tick cause I already have -res. However, I did give serious thought to the -dmg/def or -regen/tohit. The only thing that I didn't care for was the -slow/reach but that still works for some, just not me. However, this argument validity in a solo environment so you have to look at that too. |
The other brutes probably have +3 levels, which means they do way more damage than you no matter what assault set they use. Get your unlocks, that's all that matters.
I was on a BAF trial last night with my DB/WP brute and felt almost useless the entire time, I saw an SS/SD brute leap into a massive mob of bosses and destroy them in no time yet I was struggling to stop the escaping mobs during the third phase of the trial. It seems really hard to keep my combos up against a mob who's constantly on the move.
Could anyone with a DB/WP brute give advice if this combo is worth keeping on a brute? Wouldnt like to spend lots of time grinding in the trials only to feel gimped