Idea for future Issues


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***My idea for future patches.****

PLEASE try to bring back the old stuff. -- I've been a fan (This is my "home-game") since 2004 and my favorite things to do were to "Hunt" groups of enemies on the street (Especially in Perez Park) and have it mean something. Getting a group of people to go hunt Giant Monsters in Peregrine or the random ones like The Kraken and actually have it mean something. Gather a team,going from zone to zone and ACTUALLY doing story arcs instead of "I'm looking for this mission,nothing else".


PLEASE FORGIVE MY RANT HERE. RETURNING PLAYER WITH OPINION - lol

So I've noticed something. Now i have been gone for quite some time now,and am not as "I know everything about everything about CoH" like i use to be,but from what i can tell from reading over the issues I've missed and playing the last like...2 issues -- The issues seem to be "Running together" and i'm honestly thinking "Why do the last few issues seem to be the same thing with small changes? I could be wrong here,so forgive me.

It seems as though all this end game content is turning CoH into uh... *The Unspeakable*...The new endgame stuff is basically GIVING players new ways to try to be "Better than everyone else NO LIFES,that rub it in casual player's faces and put them down when they don't have the best things." THAT is one of the main reasons i left *The Unspeakable* to come BACK to CoH. It turned into "Have/be the best or don't play at all" - I feel CoH is starting to take that turn. Seems that what ALWAYS happens in MMOs. The Hardcore players whine and complain that its not challenging enough and all the end game content is put in to challenge them and nobody else. It says in a loading screen "The addition of IOs didn't make the game harder,and they aren't required" -- Seems the opposite to me.


 

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I don't mean to be rude, but the "casual" players got 18 issues of stuff. I'm okay with giving the players who want end-game content a few issues, and I'm a casual gamer. I have yet to Alpha slot any of my characters, because I'm an altoholic. I'm slowly leveling up a KM/SR Brute that I will want to Incarnate out, but I'm in no hurry, and I'm still having fun with all of the "old" content that is still there.

The new content isn't taking any of my fun away, and I'm sure that once the Incarnate stuff is done, we'll get more content in the lower levels to do.

But some players have been clamoring for an end-game in this game for a long time. The Devs should give them something to do.


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The beauty of the new Incarnate System is you don't need it.

Really, you don't.

I'm serious. You don't need it. The new +2 level shifts only work in the new iTrials.

Guess what - when you hit level 50, if you unlock your Alpha slot, you'll start earning Shards - which, at your leisure can be converted to Threads, which at your leisure can be converted into iXP to unlock the 4 new slots, and, again, at your leisure can be converted into components to craft and slot powers for these new slots.

Again, all at your leisure.

Let me stress that again, at your leisure.


 

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Thanks for the input (No sarcasm) - but im just so "Sad" to see all the wasted old content....I dont know the last time I've seen people go to Dark Astoria to find Adamastor or Crey's Folley for Jurassik. I dont see anything but "LOWBIE LFF" and "CC STARTING IN AP IN 5 MINUTES! PRIZES ARE STUPID AMOUNTS OF MONEY!" (Which generally,only the Atlas Park "Sitters" win anyway)


 

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I consider myself a casual player (I only really get to play on weekends, maybe a task force on a weekday evening after work if I'm lucky) and I have two 50s with Very Rare Alphas slotted. So it doesn't really require that much of a grind. (Of course, I don't really have an active social life on weekends, so I guess maybe take that with some grain of salt, but I don't grind out TFs all weekend either.)

I find it very interesting that you compare the current state of the game to The Unspeakable while at the same time lobbying for more zone-wide non-instanced content (by the way, check out the zone events in the 3 Praetorian zones, they're quite fun and don't need a large gathering of people to complete, they're even soloable for most 50s). My understanding has always been that instanced content is what sets CoH apart from its competitors, while at the same time leading to the misperception of low population due to zones seeming "empty".

None of this should suggest that non-instanced content doesn't happen, by the way. I don't know when you left the game, but in the past several years chat activity has moved out of Broadcast and into global channels (usually themed to a specific server, but not always, and still global anyway). Try joining your server's most active global channel (for Pinnacle, you want PinnBadges or Cozmic's Playground); although you will still see a good amount of TF teams forming, you'll also see teams running tips missions, newspaper/radio missions, and running other badge content, which yes does include GMs. One night a year or two ago I actually put together an impromptu "Giant Monster Death Panel", bringing a team across Paragon defeating every GM blueside (except for Jurassik, who had very rudely not spawned). It was loads of fun, but it was put together in PinnBadges.


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Originally Posted by StoneMelee View Post
Thanks for the input (No sarcasm) - but im just so "Sad" to see all the wasted old content....I dont know the last time I've seen people go to Dark Astoria to find Adamastor or Crey's Folley for Jurassik. I dont see anything but "LOWBIE LFF" and "CC STARTING IN AP IN 5 MINUTES! PRIZES ARE STUPID AMOUNTS OF MONEY!" (Which generally,only the Atlas Park "Sitters" win anyway)
That really comes down to the server you play on. I played on Victory for 6 years and it eventually - IMHO - became a ghost down. It would take me 40 minutes to gather up 8 people to run an ITF.

I moved to Virtue in December and I can round up 8 people in 2 minutes.

So, really, player behavior is a server based issue - much like countries and their views on the death penalty. (random)


 

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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl View Post
The beauty of the new Incarnate System is you don't need it.

Really, you don't.

I'm serious. You don't need it. The new +2 level shifts only work in the new iTrials.

Guess what - when you hit level 50, if you unlock your Alpha slot, you'll start earning Shards - which, at your leisure can be converted to Threads, which at your leisure can be converted into iXP to unlock the 4 new slots, and, again, at your leisure can be converted into components to craft and slot powers for these new slots.

Again, all at your leisure.

Let me stress that again, at your leisure.
Great! Yet another disappointing new issue!

I have been playing since beta and I pay good money for this game every month! So why should I have to rely on my own leisure to play the new content? Isn't it enough that I am using some of my own leisure to play the old content? Is it too much to ask that the developers spend a little bit of time coding some extra leisure for those of us who have been so loyal over the last seven years?

Heck, I'm not selfish, they could even make it part of a new leisure booster pack that comes with a leisure suit costume set and some Stayin' Alive dance emotes!

Is that really so difficult?

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Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
Great! Yet another disappointing new issue!
Disappointing for you - awesome for others.

I love it.

Does that mean the fact that I love it doesn't count because you are disappointed?

You can't expect every issue to cater to what you want and get upset when it doesn't have that key feature or extra thing that you've wished for. It only makes it a miserable playing experience for yourself.


 

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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl View Post
Disappointing for you - awesome for others.

I love it.

Does that mean the fact that I love it doesn't count because you are disappointed?
No but by the same token your love of it doesn't make my disappointment any less valid.

Some folks may have more leisure than others to spend on the new content but I think it's shortsighted of the developers not to code in some extra leisure for those of us who don't have it.

'Nuff said?


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Originally Posted by StoneMelee View Post
Thanks for the input (No sarcasm) - but im just so "Sad" to see all the wasted old content....I dont know the last time I've seen people go to Dark Astoria to find Adamastor or Crey's Folley for Jurassik. I dont see anything but "LOWBIE LFF" and "CC STARTING IN AP IN 5 MINUTES! PRIZES ARE STUPID AMOUNTS OF MONEY!" (Which generally,only the Atlas Park "Sitters" win anyway)
most poeple dont GM hunt anymore because once poeple have the badges they really arent worth that much

the rewards for killing a GM are just awful and thus turn away a large amount of poeple from bothering with them


 

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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master View Post
most poeple dont GM hunt anymore because once poeple have the badges they really arent worth that much

the rewards for killing a GM are just awful and thus turn away a large amount of poeple from bothering with them
And honestly, they're really not that much fun to fight either. Just a metric crap-ton of hit points and nasty defense that might require debuffers...other than that. It was fun way back in the way back, but not so much anymore. The occasional random unexpected fight isn't so bad though.


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Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
No but by the same token your love of it doesn't make my disappointment any less valid.

Some folks may have more leisure than others to spend on the new content but I think it's shortsighted of the developers not to code in some extra leisure for those of us who don't have it.

'Nuff said?


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Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
No but by the same token your love of it doesn't make my disappointment any less valid.

Some folks may have more leisure than others to spend on the new content but I think it's shortsighted of the developers not to code in some extra leisure for those of us who don't have it.

'Nuff said?


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Yeah, they should just code something up, toss it in there. I don't understand why the devs don't just whip up a fresh batch of code and toss it right into the game, then everyone would be happy.

Non-sarcastic version: Content takes development time. You're talking basic concept design, concept art, actual coding (which is not as simple as everyone makes it sound), testing, more coding, more testing, maybe even redesigning half the stupid thing because it turns out the original design was partially or totally unfeasible.

It -- takes -- time. If the devs had added in this extra hypothetical content, Issue 20 would not be out right now. Sure, you might be happy to wait, but then there would be another group of people angry that the Issue had been delayed for content they have no interest in.

P.S. This issue actually does include two brand-new TFs that have no connection to the Incarnate System (okay, the Strike Force has a connection, but it's tenuous at best). So go enjoy those.


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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl View Post
The beauty of the new Incarnate System is you don't need it.

Really, you don't.

I'm serious. You don't need it. The new +2 level shifts only work in the new iTrials.

Guess what - when you hit level 50, if you unlock your Alpha slot, you'll start earning Shards - which, at your leisure can be converted to Threads, which at your leisure can be converted into iXP to unlock the 4 new slots, and, again, at your leisure can be converted into components to craft and slot powers for these new slots.

Again, all at your leisure.

Let me stress that again, at your leisure.
As long as you don't mind it being an ENFORCED leisurely pace. Seriously, it will take YEARS of casual play to get the shards to make the threads to convert to the xp to unlock the slots and then fill them completely. Progress that compares favorably to the rates of beach erosion isn't even worth the effort. Personally, I'm no longer even bothering to unlock the Alpha slot. (Not that I really have any choice in the matter, since I'm apparently utterly incapable of beating Trapdoor. Why the *(#) can't that mission be dropped, anyway? Oh, that's right, because it's designed to be an enormous pain in the first place.)

From my point of view, the only worthwhile thing in this whole issue was that they finally increased the range on Mastermind's Twilight Grasp.


 

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Originally Posted by StoneMelee View Post
Thanks for the input (No sarcasm) - but im just so "Sad" to see all the wasted old content....I dont know the last time I've seen people go to Dark Astoria to find Adamastor or Crey's Folley for Jurassik. I dont see anything but "LOWBIE LFF" and "CC STARTING IN AP IN 5 MINUTES! PRIZES ARE STUPID AMOUNTS OF MONEY!" (Which generally,only the Atlas Park "Sitters" win anyway)
Yeah, well, the devs seem to not want to even look at old zones, despite asking for content in areas such as DA that are screaming out for it. "We want to give you new stuff, not rework old!" has been their exceptionally disappointing and short-sighted mantra for a while now, and War Witch inhereited it (and has held it up with gusto.)

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That really comes down to the server you play on. I played on Victory for 6 years and it eventually - IMHO - became a ghost down. It would take me 40 minutes to gather up 8 people to run an ITF.
Really? Still on Victory. ITFs practically fall together most of the time, and I'm not a prime time player.


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
Really? Still on Victory. ITFs practically fall together most of the time, and I'm not a prime time player.
Maybe blue side it was easy...? I was - and still am - almost exclusively red side.


 

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Maybe blue side it was easy...? I was - and still am - almost exclusively red side.
Ummm, he was talking about the ITF. Last I checked the ITF was available to BOTH sides equally.


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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
Ummm, he was talking about the ITF. Last I checked the ITF was available to BOTH sides equally.
Ummm, last I checked I was referring to my experiences playing redside, in general.


 

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Originally Posted by DarkGob View Post
Yeah, they should just code something up, toss it in there. I don't understand why the devs don't just whip up a fresh batch of code and toss it right into the game, then everyone would be happy.

Non-sarcastic version: Content takes development time. You're talking basic concept design, concept art, actual coding (which is not as simple as everyone makes it sound), testing, more coding, more testing, maybe even redesigning half the stupid thing because it turns out the original design was partially or totally unfeasible.

It -- takes -- time. If the devs had added in this extra hypothetical content, Issue 20 would not be out right now. Sure, you might be happy to wait, but then there would be another group of people angry that the Issue had been delayed for content they have no interest in.

P.S. This issue actually does include two brand-new TFs that have no connection to the Incarnate System (okay, the Strike Force has a connection, but it's tenuous at best). So go enjoy those.
Everyone understands that this was just my attempt at a joke, right? I mean it's ludicrous to think that the developers could code in extra leisure time for their player base, isn't it?


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Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
Everyone understands that this was just my attempt at a joke, right? I mean it's ludicrous to think that the developers could code in extra leisure time for their player base, isn't it?


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It's tough to tell when someone's making a joke with ludicrous statements when there are people who are making the same ludicrous statements seriously. I'm honestly at the point where I'm not even sure who I am anymore.


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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl View Post
That really comes down to the server you play on. I played on Victory for 6 years and it eventually - IMHO - became a ghost down. It would take me 40 minutes to gather up 8 people to run an ITF.

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Ummm, last I checked I was referring to my experiences playing redside, in general.
What you say and what you mean seem to be two different things. Were you trying to do all villain ITFs? I mean, that's just silly.

And, yes, red side on Victory is rather sparsely populated, but the server as a whole is not the ghost town you make it out to be.


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Originally Posted by Defenestrator View Post
What you say and what you mean seem to be two different things. Were you trying to do all villain ITFs? I mean, that's just silly.

And, yes, red side on Victory is rather sparsely populated, but the server as a whole is not the ghost town you make it out to be.
Yes it is a ghost town. Weird NJ just did a feature on it.


 

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Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
Everyone understands that this was just my attempt at a joke, right? I mean it's ludicrous to think that the developers could code in extra leisure time for their player base, isn't it?


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I thought it was funny.


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Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
Everyone understands that this was just my attempt at a joke, right? I mean it's ludicrous to think that the developers could code in extra leisure time for their player base, isn't it?


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It's tough to tell when someone's making a joke with ludicrous statements when there are people who are making the same ludicrous statements seriously. I'm honestly at the point where I'm not even sure who I am anymore.
This. I recall in particular this post by a guy that wanted the sub fee lowered $5 dollars because he can't afford the game after spending his disability money on . . .

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another game i play phantasy star universe which is $9.99/month. it came out in october 2006. and ppl complain about the fee there all the time. and sometimes i subscribe to wow. also xbox live $50/yr these fees add up. 9.99 for psu, 14.99 for wow, 14.99 for coh. thats 50+ a month on games. this adds up.

along with about 200 to 300 on groceries/alcohol/restaurants per month, 279 for rent each month. 40/mo to my brother for doing the dishes, and cleaning the apartment. 20 for adult entertainment. 50 for car insurance. 25 for renters insurance. 10 for life insurance. 30+ for gas. i'm gonna have to pay for dental insurance soon. also money for furniture, new bed, bedding stuff, electronics, soon a new $1200 computer. also other games i buy such as sf4, fightpad controller, defense grid, castle crashers, ssf2thdr and other games, video rentals. and medical expenses i just paid 735 for a hospitol bill, credit report 25. gambling, movie theateres, postal stamps, luckily no credit cards currently. and i get about $900/month from disability, and i live in north county san diego, ca. i'm not working right now. soon i'll go back to work after i have a cataract in my eye removed. then i go back to pizza delivery for round table while getting disability.

i'm surprised so many ppl were against this. you must be rich or are you brats that live off your parents. how easily do you give away your money. it seems like you should want to save money not give it away. what are you gonna do when champions comes out? pay another 14.99 or let your characters die? i'll probably subscribe to this on, and off like i do wow. and switch to champions maybe when it comes out. also i was only trying this game out to see wheter i like it or if it was worth it, not promising to be a lifetime subscriber.

And then there was this guy that thought the Science Booster encouraged cross dressing.

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I thought CoX was rated Teen. The devs go out of there way to gen names and costumes that are inappropriate for the Teen rating. Nothing with a sexual nature or undertone is allowed due to the rating. Rightfully so though. Which is cool an all but what confuses me is now with booster pack 3. They are introducing cross dressing. It potentially opening up a huge can of worms. Now if you changed gender and it applied to all character slots then this would even have come up. but since you can have say 3 slots male and 2 female. Say what ya want but that is cross dressing and i would think that this would violate the Teen rating


 

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Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
Everyone understands that this was just my attempt at a joke, right? I mean it's ludicrous to think that the developers could code in extra leisure time for their player base, isn't it?


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If it helps I was sitting here puzzled by why people were responding like it was a real complaint. I was thinking I'd apparently missed something somewhere.


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