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Posted on: 2011-03-25 10:24 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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No. Remember, there's two paths for Incarnates. |
Originally Posted by Xzero45
So in other words, you can't be super powerful unless the Well wants you to be. Lame.
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The fast path where you get buttloads of power, but are essentially a sock puppet of the well.
And the slow path, where you slowly accumulate power over time, but you aren't beholden to the well.
Being stupidly powerful really fast would be nice-ish and all, but do you really want someone else calling the shots with YOUR life?
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Like I clarified earlier, I meant in terms of villains and threats we'll be facing and how all of our big enemies will have to be sponsored by the Well first.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
No. Remember, there's two paths for Incarnates.
The fast path where you get buttloads of power, but are essentially a sock puppet of the well. And the slow path, where you slowly accumulate power over time, but you aren't beholden to the well. Being stupidly powerful really fast would be nice-ish and all, but do you really want someone else calling the shots with YOUR life? |
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Yup. New option for those who can prove their accounts are 18+.|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
Was there any information about new costume stuff?
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Butt Nekkit. Just what it sounds like. Anyone with a kid on the account will simply see a hero running around in gray spandex basic.
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Actually, from the dev chat it was hinted that the Well is simply beefing up existing threats to force us to become more powerful so that when the Coming Storm hits, we're able to defend ourselves (and the Well) effectively.|
Originally Posted by Xzero45
Like I clarified earlier, I meant in terms of villains and threats we'll be facing and how all of our big enemies will have to be sponsored by the Well first.
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It's speeding up the process of "survival of the fittest" so it's got some decent meatshields from what it appears to know about the Storm (which has yet to be revealed via plot).
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Hmm. Still not sure how I feel about that. Guess we'll just have to wait and see once the plot rolls around.
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Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo
Actually, from the dev chat it was hinted that the Well is simply beefing up existing threats to force us to become more powerful so that when the Coming Storm hits, we're able to defend ourselves (and the Well) effectively.
It's speeding up the process of "survival of the fittest" so it's got some decent meatshields from what it appears to know about the Storm (which has yet to be revealed via plot). |
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The storm is a 1,000,000 years in the future. Did I miss something? Do we need to be Alpha to defeat Cole? I'm just wondering about the purpose of these slots that were working so hard on. They mentioned 180. What is this all for? How will you slot all of these or make adjustments during tasks/TF/SF, etc.|
Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo
Actually, from the dev chat it was hinted that the Well is simply beefing up existing threats to force us to become more powerful so that when the Coming Storm hits, we're able to defend ourselves (and the Well) effectively.
It's speeding up the process of "survival of the fittest" so it's got some decent meatshields from what it appears to know about the Storm (which has yet to be revealed via plot). |
I can see it now, "Level 54 team LFM, 123 slotted MM."
In regards to the horizontal expansion of Incarnate abilities, I think you need to be very concerned about taking one of the strengths of the system and turning it into one of the drawbacks.
I have often wondered why a feature like this was not added to the pre-50 game. Adding power choices to the various powersets and then making some of them exclusive to each other would have been a good way to offer breadth to the game and allow for a variety in user experience and preference (so, instead of 9 choices, each set might have 11, but you can only take 9 of the powers because. With the ability to respec, we had a reasonable method to alter the power structure as well.
With the current implementation of Incarnate abilities we do not have a true respec option. If I get the tier 4 Musculature or the tier 4 Clarion and then you release 4 new Alpha trees and 4 new Destiny trees, some of which may appeal to me more than my previously available choices, there is currently no way to change my mind. I have to regather and craft again. I understand that this system is partially loot based (for example, the same thing may happen anytime you release a new invention set, and I have not complained about this issue in that area of the game), but IMO, that may be too high a bar to set in the Incarnate system.
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A respec? Just craft a new one. Some of these slots get used up when you move higher, right? I know that's expensive but each component is almost unique.
Ok, I have watched the video, and minus the chopchop connection on occasion, and unfortunate side affect of Ustream... and running ANYTHING else that connects to the internet on your network,
Lore slot getting other pets, Good
Temp Powers not available in the new trials, the justification given, was not valid. "you get them in a specific mission and should use them there" does not apply to the 3 most commonly used temps, Shivans, Warburg Nukes, and Poisoned Knives, all of which are either earned in PVP, not Missions, or crafted, which by definition is earned outside of missions. Thus I must conclude that the agruement that the was used to justify the removal of the powers is flawed. (Not to mention A LOT of people use those powers as integral parts of they're builds, or as intergral parts of they're story... such as a certain shield scrapper I know who uses the Energy Torrent clone temp power you can craft, can't remember the name, as his shield being thrown...)
I am very happy with the new content, minus Lore as it is released (since Praetorian enemy groups are completely out of sync with EVERYTHING I have on my account story wise), but if your gonna justify something, learn from highschool debate teams, make an arguement that can fight its way out of a wet paper bag.
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I use the craftable Jet Pack as my only means of vertical travel; I have Super Speed as my regular travel power. The trials severely limit my movement by taking it away.
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Originally Posted by elvnsword09
Not to mention A LOT of people use those powers as integral parts of their builds, or as intergral parts of their story...
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Black Scorpion mentioned the possibility of a paid-for Incarnate respec as something that they might possibly think about eventually sometime maybe in the future - for example, if you had a T4 Cardiac, but decided you'd prefer it to be T4 Spiritual, you could respec to get the components back from the Cardiac tree and use them instead to fill the Spiritual tree, or maybe just do a straight swap from one tree to the other.|
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
In regards to the horizontal expansion of Incarnate abilities, I think you need to be very concerned about taking one of the strengths of the system and turning it into one of the drawbacks.
I have often wondered why a feature like this was not added to the pre-50 game. Adding power choices to the various powersets and then making some of them exclusive to each other would have been a good way to offer breadth to the game and allow for a variety in user experience and preference (so, instead of 9 choices, each set might have 11, but you can only take 9 of the powers because. With the ability to respec, we had a reasonable method to alter the power structure as well. With the current implementation of Incarnate abilities we do not have a true respec option. If I get the tier 4 Musculature or the tier 4 Clarion and then you release 4 new Alpha trees and 4 new Destiny trees, some of which may appeal to me more than my previously available choices, there is currently no way to change my mind. I have to regather and craft again. I understand that this system is partially loot based (for example, the same thing may happen anytime you release a new invention set, and I have not complained about this issue in that area of the game), but IMO, that may be too high a bar to set in the Incarnate system. |
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
Actually answer something that is interesting not the same old, same old questions.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
So in other words, you can't be super powerful unless the Well wants you to be. Lame.
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You also can't level unless the trainers decide to train you.|
Originally Posted by Xzero45
So in other words, you can't be super powerful unless the Well wants you to be. Lame.
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In this case, though, its not a question of the Well directly controlling your access to power, its more a case of the Well reflecting the nature of the being or beings its focused upon, so when we tap it, the power we get is colored by that focus. Its not so much that the Well is deciding to give us Praetorian pets, its that the well is currently green, so all the water we take from it is green. The Well is focused on Cole, so the power we take from it is tinged with Praetorian sensibilities.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The Well is focused on Cole, so the power we take from it is tinged with Praetorian sensibilities.
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I think Tim was referring to powers not slots, and I think he was off by a factor of two in his recollection. If all the slots follow the same pattern we should have 360 total incarnate powers. That is 10 slots, four trees per slot, nine total powers in a tree. 9 * 4 * 10 = 360. Not 180 slots: that would be ridiculously too many incarnate slots.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
I'm just wondering about the purpose of these slots that were working so hard on. They mentioned 180. What is this all for? How will you slot all of these or make adjustments during tasks/TF/SF, etc.
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They said that temp powers were disabled so they didn't have to balance around them, and they also said that they were open to enabling powers that did not have serious balance consequences to them (like costume or travel powers for example) and the only real issue is that it would take a lot of time to do that.|
Originally Posted by elvnsword09
Ok, I have watched the video, and minus the chopchop connection on occasion, and unfortunate side affect of Ustream... and running ANYTHING else that connects to the internet on your network,
Lore slot getting other pets, Good Temp Powers not available in the new trials, the justification given, was not valid. "you get them in a specific mission and should use them there" does not apply to the 3 most commonly used temps, Shivans, Warburg Nukes, and Poisoned Knives, all of which are either earned in PVP, not Missions, or crafted, which by definition is earned outside of missions. Thus I must conclude that the agruement that the was used to justify the removal of the powers is flawed. (Not to mention A LOT of people use those powers as integral parts of they're builds, or as intergral parts of they're story... such as a certain shield scrapper I know who uses the Energy Torrent clone temp power you can craft, can't remember the name, as his shield being thrown...) I am very happy with the new content, minus Lore as it is released (since Praetorian enemy groups are completely out of sync with EVERYTHING I have on my account story wise), but if your gonna justify something, learn from highschool debate teams, make an arguement that can fight its way out of a wet paper bag. |
I would recommend watching the video again before making additional high school debate comments. It was trivially clear to me what they were saying about temp powers when I watched the live feed.
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