An Introduction to Union Roleplay
I realise that, but I didn't know people were treating it as 'This is Union' until it was brought up on channels in game.
And the ***** fit is for the same reason I gave above. Rebel came in and voiced his concerns politely and reasonably. Others have raised points and asked questions. And then it all goes to hell in a handbasket with a ***** fit post (the one to which I responded) |
I meant the initial "Oh noes my characters would totally have to investigate the rifts, but I don't want to do so, so I'm going to act like a chimp in the zoo and fling my poop around until I can ignore it both IC and OOC, despite it being entirely my fault that I RP a character that would do things I don't want to do." ***** fit.
I mean it's a good things the portal in portal corp revolve because Primal Earth needs a fricking revolving door for all the trans-reality visitors they get.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
The issue with The Crossing is we have the potential (And I know at least one person doing some planning involing) vast World/Universe/Multiverse altering plots, which folks on the Unionverse who don't check/frequent the forums/that thread wouldn't feel that nice about being forced to acknowledge the undead necormancer who set up an icey throne in the middle of Perez Park.
I'm pretty sure none of us like to be Godmodded do we? Which is why it's only fair not to godmode other people.
It's reasons like this widescale plots take a lot of time and effort on Union, informing everyone about it, getting it roling, not having it limited to the forums and all, but even then we're still limited as we can't change certian things about the world.
And given how Kings Row is a popular place to live and work for many people and a Giant Robot Crab has leveled a small chunk of it, how do you think people would feel if you just slipped into conversation:
"Oh yea, that part of the Row got Wrecked pretty good"
When the other person might not know about it. Having many people sharing the same background has it's upsides and it's downsides, and this is one of the latter.
What do you want us to do? Because pretty much every time theres been interaction with you specifically, someones toes have ended up being trodden on. And yes, frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of you exploding like this every freaking time rather than voicing concerns like everyone else has. Rebels managed it just fine with polite dicussion and raising valid point. I for one have never had a serverlist merge and the chance of totally different types of RP merging into one. Have you? And no, thats an honest question.
Sorry, but when people try to help and organise and welcome and all that, and then it gets thrown back with a rant, what do you honestly expect? |
And the ***** fit is for the same reason I gave above. Rebel came in and voiced his concerns politely and reasonably. Others have raised points and asked questions. And then it all goes to hell in a handbasket with a ***** fit post (the one to which I responded)
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How is that exploding?
As to what I want you to do? Communicate with those outside your insular group when creating things that will affect them. What's wrong with kicking a quick PM or such my way that says, 'Hey, mind if we make the Onionverse?' before going ahead with it?
As to a serverlist merge? No, I've not been involved in one. However, despite there being no precedent for it, or rather because of that lack, I believe that open communication and being considerate to your fellow players is very important, and that it's not right to cut people out of that process.
"If I had Force powers, vacuum or not my cape/clothes/hair would always be blowing in the Dramatic Wind." - Tenzhi
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You mean the same ~Kings Row~ that has a constant clockwork giant monster problem?
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
The issue with The Crossing is we have the potential (And I know at least one person doing some planning involing) vast World/Universe/Multiverse altering plots, which folks on the Unionverse who don't check/frequent the forums/that thread wouldn't feel that nice about being forced to acknowledge the undead necormancer who set up an icey throne in the middle of Perez Park.
I'm pretty sure none of us like to be Godmodded do we? Which is why it's only fair not to godmode other people. It's reasons like this widescale plots take a lot of time and effort on Union, informing everyone about it, getting it roling, not having it limited to the forums and all, but even then we're still limited as we can't change certian things about the world. And given how Kings Row is a popular place to live and work for many people and a Giant Robot Crab has leveled a small chunk of it, how do you think people would feel if you just slipped into conversation: "Oh yea, that part of the Row got Wrecked pretty good" When the other person might not know about it. Having many people sharing the same background has it's upsides and it's downsides, and this is one of the latter. |
And sometimes, it just comes down to a matter of time. Much to my chagrin, for example, Alpha wasn're present for the IC gladiators match, due to an attack of the Real Life. Much of my RP this term has been very limited, in comparison to last year (where, to be fair, I spent way too much time online and not enough working)
Alpha, on the other hand, would have been able to make it. He should have been there. I, however, couldn't be. Fortunately, it was a fairly minor-ish thing, and I could make it work IC ("I was in the Arctic testing weapons. And, hey, guess that gives weight to the fact you actually need me around, eh?" for example)
Having a world-wide plot that requires a charactr be uber-super active and suchnot simply isn't feasible 24/7, or even every day.
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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If you can't RP a superman OOC, then please don't roll one IC.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Chill there a sec. I told you in a perfectly normal, straightforward, and entirely civil manner how I feel about this, why I feel that way, how this looks from my point of view, and then requested multiple times that if I was wrong I please be told so.
How is that exploding? As to what I want you to do? Communicate with those outside your insular group when creating things that will affect them. What's wrong with kicking a quick PM or such my way that says, 'Hey, mind if we make the Onionverse?' before going ahead with it? As to a serverlist merge? No, I've not been involved in one. However, despite there being no precedent for it, or rather because of that lack, I believe that open communication and being considerate to your fellow players is very important, and that it's not right to cut people out of that process. |
So instead it's decided to force 'the outsiders' to acknowledge what was decided. 'Godmoded into the floor'. Hm. That's a nice way to sum up how I feel right about now. |
Text itself is a horrible, horrible medium for conveying feelings and tone. I repeatedly surprise peeps that I skype with in-game, because you'd think I'm this perpetual explodey-doom-ball of wrath and rage if you go purely off my text there (God damned cheating Romans...) and yet in reality I'm not.
We're not trying to be the big ebil scary clique/cartel or anything. And I don't think anyone wants to be. So, yeah...hopefully things will run smoothly.
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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On consideration, it was a pretty poor failure in communication on our side of the whole thing, and so far that on behalf of those responsible (Which includes me) I offer my sincerest apologies for all this mess, and hope it won't detract from the fun we were all having in The Crossing.
We are also, perhaps, getting a little off topic here, so lets not have this boil over into an argument proper shall we? Some people failed to communicate properly, and that caused some issues, sorry again guys.
If you can't RP a superman OOC, then please don't roll one IC.
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The mantra 'RL>RP>EXP' has been used in the Corp for a long, long time now, and I think it should bear true for pretty much everything else.
If what you say were to be true, then no one should ever RP a character using powersets as proxys, or fudging costume details slightly, and they sure shouldn't have more than one powerset per character, or ever break WYSIWYG ever, at all, never ever. Because that'd be breaking the exact same rule.
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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CB, I can RP Alpha just fine. RP is meant to be pretendy fun-time games, not a freaking job.
The mantra 'RL>RP>EXP' has been used in the Corp for a long, long time now, and I think it should bear true for pretty much everything else. If what you say were to be true, then no one should ever RP a character using powersets as proxys, or fudging costume details slightly, and they sure shouldn't have more than one powerset per character, or ever break WYSIWYG ever, at all, never ever. Because that'd be breaking the exact same rule. |
Should explain that more.
If you can't RP a superman OOC, then please don't roll one IC if you aren't willing to give IC reasons why you aren't there. To force others to not RP how they like just because you can't/won't get involved, because you don't want to give your superman an excuse, is being just as much as a god moding jerk as you think others are by having them 'force' RP on you.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Alright, it was my fault, I probably should have mentioned that while the Crossing is a Unionverse, it's not THE Unionverse precisely for the reasons mentioned above. Mainly because people of the Unionverse were very worried about the impact of the plot would have on Union that it was agreed to shift it to a different Unionverse, the same but different if you will, whether it becomes personal canon for your characters that's fine by me, it will be personal canon for one of mine.
Precisely for the reason that I reckon alot of the forum and Ingame Unionverse regulars/veterans would be up in arms and complaining loudly that they didn't wish to be affected by it almost constantly, I'd have the wolves baying for my blood. To have it shifted to a different but same unionverse proved to be the lesser impact.
I probably should have restricted it to simply just Union/Virtue superheroes but instead I went for something a little bit bigger, in going for that wider 'bring whatever you feel' kind of approach which people seem to be liking (so far got a Transformer, a DnD Halfling, an Exalted, a small interdimensional/alien scouting force, a dimension hopping duo, one familar with Paragon, one not, a Necromancer of sorts, a Zombie that has access to all dimensions and lastly one Mad Scientist coordinating the heroes) I was restricted on just how it affected the normal Unionverse.
As far as Mechano goes, well he'll achknowledge stuff happening in that thread as Canon 'for him' because he is a mad scientist and I can easily imagine a group of Mechano's working together through the usage of dimensional contacting to try and bring the Portal Storm to a close.
So for a couple of people it will have happened in canon for that character, it would be an event in their past that led them to the current Unionverse.
However come the server merger there really isn't anything stopping people from making a dimension hopping alt on the Union server to come check us out.
Heck even making a trial EU account (remember not to name it the same as your US account and delete the characters by the time you finish) just to hop across and visit us ingame.
For anyone finding it a bit tricky to picture how the Unionverse works, here's an analogy that I hope doesn't fall flat.
Union server is like one giant LARP game. We don't have any gamemasters or referees. All we have are a number of players, each essentially doing their own thing, but with the overriding concern that we all agree we're playing the same game, in the same reality.
This means that when Joey Heroey mentions getting jumped by Skulls in King's Row, then Ultra-Awesome-Man can mention being at the Zig while those same Skulls were being processed. At the same time, Norma Normal can say that she suspects those Skulls were the ones who stole her daughter's lunch money, and Super-Shooter identifies the leader as the brother of someone he's been tracking for the past week.
We feed off each others' stories, RP, events. It's extremely rare for someone to say "that hasn't happened". The downside to this overriding shared reality is that if someone says "I went around the world and now all of the giant octopuses are in sea life centres" (which they might feel is completely realistic and valid), there will always be others who pop along to IP and say "Oops, looks like you missed one... two... three... wow, you missed a LOT!"
As such, we try very very hard (in general) to not "god-mod the game world" - that is, we avoid making changes to the world in which everyone is playing that are not reflected in the reality of the game. While this may seem limiting to some, it really isn't, unless you let it be.
Ultimately, what this all means is that if people pay a bit of attention to the forum recap threads, I can take my character along to Pocket D, bump into someone he hasn't seen for 6 months, and have a fair expectation of being able to hold a coherent conversation about the recent past, because even though the two characters haven't seen each other, they do both exist in the same reality, which has the same history for each of them.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise. ; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
Pretty much what Shadowe said.
Heck, we've had alien invasions, black ops fights, currently got an Arachnos Regiment waging war against a group of Praetorians, a lot of stuff. It still feels big, even if it's not 'world changing'.
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Aiight, not gonna quote all the replies since there are a lot, so just in general:
Thank you. Sorry about the upsetting word choice, but you saw where I was coming from, heh. It really did feel like a small group of people getting together behind my back and sticking a "we don't want your stuff here" note on the Unionverse door.
So thanks for the apologies. I can see your reasoning. I even agree with it. Just the method of delivery was a little...yeeeah, let's just try and avoid that in the future, aye? While arguments over one thing or another will always crop up, I think it's better to just be up-front about it.
Which reminds me...
*kicks Techbot*
Susan, Aurora, yes?
"If I had Force powers, vacuum or not my cape/clothes/hair would always be blowing in the Dramatic Wind." - Tenzhi
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It's probably due to the mindset, I think we somtimes forget that not only Unionites use these forums anymore, or at least some of us.
So once again, apologies, and lets get back to beating up a giant robot crab
Original Post updated with Krimson Guard, no link added though as I couldn't find one.
As for everything else, I'm glad you've all kissed and made up now but couldn't you have had the courtesy to take it to an OOC thread for the plot? Not really what I'd intended for this thread.
@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
The Militia: Union RP Supergroup - www.themilitia.org.uk
Sorry Dante, if a Mod would be so kind as to rip out our silly argument and stick it in it's own thread I think we'd all be eternally greatful
But sorry again (Man I'm apologising so much today)
*Returns from Reality Time.* ...What the.. what?
...Alright. A bit glad I wasn't really here for all that.
Also, just now noticing The Crossing thread. Of course, I don't really pay much attention to the Roleplayer forum anyway.. but it looks like it could have been fun. A bit reluctant to jump in now, though, as it's already moving along.
Aaaanyway. Glad to see things moving along.
Oh, I believe I said something about putting together something about Virtue, but reality is doing that thing where it says, "Oh, you want -free- time, do you? Ahaha! AHAHAHA!!" So, that may not happen.
Pssh. Join in anyway, we won't mind.
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Original Post updated with Krimson Guard, no link added though as I couldn't find one.
As for everything else, I'm glad you've all kissed and made up now but couldn't you have had the courtesy to take it to an OOC thread for the plot? Not really what I'd intended for this thread. |
http://union.virtueverse.net/wiki/Krimzon_Guard
You're all spelling it wrong
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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I'm not sure what "RP a superman OOC" means. It's an oxymoron. If you're OOC, you're not RPing. Conversely, if you're RPing, you're not OOC. I think my inability to discern your meaning, CB, is causing me issues with the rest of your post.
Allow me to clarify. It seems to say "don't RP a superhuman hero if you're either a) not able to involve yourself in every plot going or b) not willing to involve yourself in every plot going, if it would be IC for that character to get involved in those plotlines. If you do choose to RP a superhuman hero and then refuse to provide rationalle behind that hero's involvement in plotlines, instead asking for plots to be cancelled or toned down, you're a god-modding jerk".
Now, if that is what you're saying, then fine, though it is a bit of a kneejerk reaction. As someone who does have a superhuman hero, it is, indeed, my responsibility to provide IC reasons why he doesn't get involved in some plots that he becomes aware of - usually, he's too busy at work, or is investigating something somewhere else and trusts other heroes to deal, Bob's your Uncle, Fanny's your Aunt.
However, and we've discussed this before, in a great deal of depth, probably with no satisfactory outcome, because we don't have a GM (or even several, really), there isn't someone we can turn to for adjudication on gameworld logic. Instead we have to rely on our own sense of proportion and restraint to try and keep the Unionverse sane and realistic for ourselves and others.
The instant we start a plot, we're affecting the game world. While the Unionverse is largely a coherent whole, the reason we've been able to do so successfully is that the majority of plotlines are small scale.
Picture the following two plot ideas, if you will.
1) A mind controller has taken control of several hundred Council (who have in turn reprogrammed some of their robots), and is planning to use them to strike against Paragon.
2) A mind controller has taken control of an entire neighbourhood (say... King's Row), and is planning to sell the population into slavery overseas.
Plot 1 is simple and really doesn't affect the game world very much, since that's the sort of thing the Council would do anyway. It's just a tweak of motivation.
Plot 2, on the other hand, if it works, changes the game world significantly. It's the sort of thing that any hero worth their salt would take action on the instant they become aware of it. I'd personally consider it too big, because there is no way I could clear it with every possibly affected player in advance, and there's no way everyone would agree to accept the outcome, especially if I was nasty and just said "it's happened, what are you gonna do?".
Plotlines are a two-way street. A plot-runner doesn't have to consider every single RPer's response in advance, but neither do they have the right to change things that drastically affect other characters. Conversely, other players who don't want to get involved in a plot do need to have a reason not to get involved, whether that's a personal reason or something agreed with the plot-runner or whatever. It works best if the player can manage that themselves, certainly, but there is still an obligation on the plot-runner not to throw "bigger is better!" plots around.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise. ; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
Now, if that is what you're saying, then fine, though it is a bit of a kneejerk reaction. As someone who does have a superhuman hero, it is, indeed, my responsibility to provide IC reasons why he doesn't get involved in some plots that he becomes aware of - usually, he's too busy at work, or is investigating something somewhere else and trusts other heroes to deal, Bob's your Uncle, Fanny's your Aunt. |
Just yesterday we had a fun event in Praetoira 'Loyalists versus Arachnos', should that event become none cannon just because some one who has an IC Resistance member who would know about it and have to be involved IC, wasn't able to get there due to OOC reasons? Or didn't like one of the players involved and thus refused to go? Would that be fair to the people who enjoyed the event and progressed their characters story from it?
To keep on topic of the thread, how about some form of voting method for deciiding which events/plot lines, etc become cannon to the universe?
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
To keep on topic of the thread, how about some form of voting method for deciiding which events/plot lines, etc become cannon to the universe?
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Better idea. Leave world affecting storylines to the developers and keep player plots small enough to be ignorable by uninvolved players.
And no, they shouldn't have to justify to anyone why they don't want their pretendy fun time dictacted by someone else's pretendy fun time. If that situation is reached, the plot was probably too big.
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Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And no, they shouldn't have to justify to anyone why they don't want their pretendy fun time dictacted by someone else's pretendy fun time. If that situation is reached, the plot was probably too big.
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Alternatively if that situation is reached, the character was probably too overpowered.
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Not an attack, but when some ones pretendy fun time character is able to dictate how other people choose to spend their pretendy fun time, then we reach a problem.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
The dub for that series was so bad. So very very bad.
The Japanese was ok though. And Galvatron had a awesome voice.