It's a fair point. Thing is, a lot of us on Union RP channel facepalmed when we heard about the Crossing thread, simply because it left such huge scope to be godmodded into the floor. Now, as a nice surprise, that hasn't actually happened, making it an actual fun thing to jump onto.
However, it's still not everyones cup of tea. And making it a part of the Unionverse timeline would likely cause a few longterm problems and issues. While, yes, you can't keep everyone happy all the time, it's considerate to try and make it work for as many people as possible. Having it set in the 'Onionverse' (Unionverse characters and such, without impacting the Unionverse and timeline) seems to just work best, and certainly was met with nods on URP.
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I believe that the Krimson Guard RPVG are missing from the RPVG list, so those should be added.
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Why is that a surprise? We're not big bad wolves over here, you know. We don't (or at least try not to) do that to each other, why would you think we'd suddenly go back on that and do it to you? Differences in RP style aside of course, I know I personally exaggerate things a little more than I should when writing sometimes.| Thing is, a lot of us on Union RP channel facepalmed when we heard about the Crossing thread, simply because it left such huge scope to be godmodded into the floor. Now, as a nice surprise, that hasn't actually happened, making it an actual fun thing to jump onto. |
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I can't help but wonder, if there were RPers here from, say, Defiant, would you assume them to be non-canon as well?
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Note I didn't say 'Godmodded by the US players'. I meant 'in general'. Believe me, you only need to hang around Blueside PD on a bad day to see why I would say that.
(Note, bad day. Actually, no, best time is PD at Xmas, when the Chalet seems to bring all the tools to the yard...eesh)
Also, I do think it's a little premature to be jumping all over this like it's hot and stinking high. I mean, the server lists haven't even been merged yet. Does anyone really expect theres not gonna be a transitionary period where everyone gets used to things and the kinks get ironed out? This is kind of an unprecedented development here.
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Why is that a surprise? We're not big bad wolves over here, you know. We don't (or at least try not to) do that to each other, why would you think we'd suddenly go back on that and do it to you? Differences in RP style aside of course, I know I personally exaggerate things a little more than I should when writing sometimes.
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I'd be rather miffed if we had. It's a list merge, not a server merge.|
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I'm actually like you: if my character does something, then that's part of their backstory (exceptions for fiction, generally in dreams and the Future Imperfect series). Hence, I don't involve my characters in things I have no intention of acknowledging. I haven't even read the Crossings thread and generally find forum RP to be unsatisfactory.
A shared environment requires consensus (and usually a lot of arguments). If you go around forcing your view of reality on others then, frankly, I'd rather you decided not to make a character on Union; you won't fit in.
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Alright, fair enough. Sorry for assuming. And the D on Virtue is just as bad at times, just so you know. In my experience, such people don't tend to make it as far as the forums. They're fun to mess with ingame though, I find challenging them to arena matches or just invoking the D's 'no violence' thing makes them go away quickly enough.| Note I didn't say 'Godmodded by the US players'. I meant 'in general'. Believe me, you only need to hang around Blueside PD on a bad day to see why I would say that. |
Interestingly though the Chalet at Christmas isn't that bad, or at least I don't remember it being bad. Did have a lot of fun rounding up as many masterminds as we could find and seeing how many pets we could stuff into the gazebo just below the main chalet though.
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Dammit, now I have to go dig up that thread and see who that was cause I don't remember.
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That kind of thing has been the cause of untold arguments in the Unionverse, and is why (generally) making world-affecting plots is a massive no-no.|
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I'm not forcing anything on anyone, my apologies if I sounded like I was. Always been bad at translating thoughts into words, it's a failing of mine. I do have to wonder though, if the characters were to actually run into each other ingame and I'm acknowledging forum RP while you're not, what happens? Unstoppable force vs immovable object, universe implodes?
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They CAN work, if stuff is worked out beforehand, but there are always going to be SOME people who will have kittens over effectively being forced in to events which they don't want any part of, but their characters wouldn't be able to ignore.
So the least painful option is to "617" it. Set it in an alt-verse so that the core game isn't affected and leave world affecting plots firmly in the land of the devs, where it belongs.
Remember, as I said before, it's taken us a LOT of arguments, over several years, to hash this kind of thing out, and arguments STILL happen over it. We'd rather try not to have TOO many more!
As for that whale incident. It was a REALLY unfortunate thing to happen, especially as it gave us EU RPers a pretty bad first impression of our first shared RP experience with the US community. Sure, it's not right to let one player's actions colour attitudes for the entire US community, but it's only human nature to go "Woah, not doing THAT again!"
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I remember that, though I don't think I was involved in the thread. If I recall correctly it sparked a massive argument in one of the OOC threads too. Personally I wouldn't take one person and one incident and label a whole group with it, but some people would. On both sides of the Atlantic.
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(Yep, that was so WTF I had to go dig it up myself just to laugh at the "Damn You Auto Correct!" levels of OMG-godly-epic-WTFail absurdity of it) o_O
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I do have to wonder though, if the characters were to actually run into each other ingame and I'm acknowledging forum RP while you're not, what happens? Unstoppable force vs immovable object, universe implodes?
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Otherwise, I don't play gods (much) so your character has heard of something mine hasn't. Big woop. Bet my character has heard of stuff yours hasn't. My characters learn stuff by watching the news or talking to people, not be me reading every thread on the forum on the off-chance my character might be involved.
If you really inisist on something I would never agree to, I'd resort to the time honoured Statue method for dealing with this: The person I am talking to is clearly a nutjob. Personally, I'd hope your desire to ram likely unrelated incidents down my throat would not be sufficient for me to have to resort to that.
Seriously, how often do two characters in a comic (or other setting) meet and immediately have to regail each other with their entire backstory? Situation where this causes issues is unlikely, or contrived.
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At present though I don't think it's technically 'world-affecting'. Whole of Paragon in this whatever universe it is, certainly. But I don't think anyone's plopped themselves down outside Paragon yet. Considering how many heroic and villainous acts go on every day, I'm not sure a dozen or so people dropping out of dimensional rifts and beating up a giant robocrab is so out of the ordinary. By Paragon standards that's probably more or less a normal day, if it wasn't a giant crab it'd be Praetorians, or Nemesis, or whatever crazy the Isles spat out today.Quote:
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Hmmmm I'm counting crossing as cannon, since I've used it to jump a character from a different game into regular (for me) use.
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I was considering using that as my excuse to make a character on Union, actually. One of my characters actually owns an admittedly very makeshift dimensional portal - she cannibalised an ouroboros crystal into it, after someone voiced to her the theory that alternate timelines and alternate dimensions are one and the same. Just to see if it was true or not. Several of my characters now use said portal as an on-demand plot device when needed, as well as it being a loose justification for me making the same character in another game. Several other games actually.
I even have a reason for the sudden power drain and possibly different powersets that comes from being remade on a different server, though admittedly it becomes increasingly ridiculous the more times I do so.
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Y'know, it would've been very nice of said 'peeps' to maybe include everyone involved in this plot in that 'discussion', and not just foist this up solely from within their little clique. I always hear terms like 'concensus', 'community', and 'shared RP experience' touted on in regard to Union RP - and then I see this happening. I'm really getting a sense of 'you keep using that word; I don't think it means what you think it means' here.| After some discussion, peeps decided that we'd set that one in what we came to call 'Onionverse'. No, I'm not kidding. |
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Again, please correct me if I'm wrong, but at this point I'm getting the picture that this 'shared RP universe' is all talk, no substance, and just like any other 'RP instance', as you like to call it - not to mention with the additional caveat that efforts are made to actively exclude the creations of anyone not a part of the core clique and to make the Unionverse as insular and shut-off as possible from the greater CoX RP community.
Honestly, I don't quite know what to think about that. I don't generally play on Virtue, so I don't know all their RP crowd does and doesn't, but I can tell you one thing: over there, they don't say one thing, and then do another.
Now somebody please show me that I'm wrong. Because I'd really like to be.
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It's the Transformers, Exalted, Hobbits and all the like from other actual things porting over, however briefly, that'd cause problems. Because, lets face it, even in Paragon that kinda thing would make news.
Hence the reason I, personally, am just treating it like a fun alt-verse story.
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Y'know, it would've been very nice of said 'peeps' to maybe include everyone involved in this plot in that 'discussion', and not just foist this up solely from within their little clique. I always hear terms like 'concensus', 'community', and 'shared RP experience' touted on in regard to Union RP - and then I see this happening. I'm really getting a sense of 'you keep using that word; I don't think it means what you think it means' here.
So instead it's decided to force 'the outsiders' to acknowledge what was decided. 'Godmoded into the floor'. Hm. That's a nice way to sum up how I feel right about now. I can see that. And y'know, I may be wrong about this, so please correct me if I am, but from what I see, those 'some people' look to be the majority of players who comprise the Unionverse group. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong, but at this point I'm getting the picture that this 'shared RP universe' is all talk, no substance, and just like any other 'RP instance', as you like to call it - not to mention with the additional caveat that efforts are made to actively exclude the creations of anyone not a part of the core clique and to make the Unionverse as insular and shut-off as possible from the greater CoX RP community. Honestly, I don't quite know what to think about that. I don't generally play on Virtue, so I don't know all their RP crowd does and doesn't, but I can tell you one thing: over there, they don't say one thing, and then do another. Now somebody please show me that I'm wrong. Because I'd really like to be. |
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=157757
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=164573
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=255738
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=246382
All examples that, yes, Union has a shared background verse that people stick to.
What do you want us to do? Because pretty much every time theres been interaction with you specifically, someones toes have ended up being trodden on. And yes, frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of you exploding like this every freaking time rather than voicing concerns like everyone else has. Rebels managed it just fine with polite dicussion and raising valid point. I for one have never had a serverlist merge and the chance of totally different types of RP merging into one. Have you? And no, thats an honest question.
Sorry, but when people try to help and organise and welcome and all that, and then it gets thrown back with a rant, what do you honestly expect?
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The thing is, a fully "shared" unionverse is extremely difficult to do in the CoH RP world without getting a lot of people's backs up. There IS no easy answer to the problem of forcing RP on others, so the path of least hassle lies in the direction of keeping small, or personal plots to the shared world, and anything larger, that folks wouldn't be able to ignore ICly, in an alt-verse where possible.|
Originally Posted by DeviousMe
Honestly, I don't quite know what to think about that. I don't generally play on Virtue, so I don't know all their RP crowd does and doesn't, but I can tell you one thing: over there, they don't say one thing, and then do another.
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I don't think anyone would have a problem with that at all.
It's the Transformers, Exalted, Hobbits and all the like from other actual things porting over, however briefly, that'd cause problems. Because, lets face it, even in Paragon that kinda thing would make news. Hence the reason I, personally, am just treating it like a fun alt-verse story. |
Some of the smaller transformers would fit in fine in Union (say a headmaster maybe) and Hobbits would work fine as well. Exhalted depends ont he type and level, though I can see a low level Exhalted being RP'd as a fully IO'd and Incarnated character. Heck Omy has his sort of Exhalted super group.
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To be fair I can see his point, maybe he thought as I did that this would be a fine opportunity to lay some ground work for a character to use in Union server RP, only for it to turn out it's been vetoed behind the scenes?
Honestly it's a perfectly plausible plot that fits well within the setting, so why the ***** fit?
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Some of the smaller transformers would fit in fine in Union (say a headmaster maybe) and Hobbits would work fine as well. Exhalted depends ont he type and level, though I can see a low level Exhalted being RP'd as a fully IO'd and Incarnated character. Heck Omy has his sort of Exhalted super group.
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and that tech simply doesn't exist in game (sadly, otherwise I woulda made one >_> )
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The dub for that series was so bad. So very very bad.
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To be fair I can see his point, maybe he thought as I did that this would be a fine opportunity to lay some ground work for a character to use in Union server RP, only for it to turn out it's been vetoed behind the scenes?
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And the ***** fit is for the same reason I gave above. Rebel came in and voiced his concerns politely and reasonably. Others have raised points and asked questions. And then it all goes to hell in a handbasket with a ***** fit post (the one to which I responded)
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Well, Mechano's going to be really surprised when one of my characters greets him as if she knows him, then. Seeing as she met him in a previous forum thread. Like I said before, I for one consider everything my characters do as canon, whether it's on the forum or ingame and regardless of what server the people involved happen to come from.
I don't know how it is on Union, but the established cliques that don't interact with anyone outside them unless they have to annoy the hell out of people on Virtue. I see no reason to perpetuate them here on the forum. Especially in a thread like The Crossing, where you have a perfectly acceptable reason why they'd show up there but no one you know ingame's ever heard of them. Personally I tend to treat characters from ingame who aren't on the forum, or characters from the forum who aren't ingame, as more or less background NPCs. They're people who the character's met elsewhere or elsewhen, but not said or expected to show up other than occasionally being mentioned. If that makes any sense.
Hell, I was even considering making a character on Union when the servers merge. Now I'm not so sure.
...apologies if that sounded confrontational, it's not meant to be. Just explaining my point of view.
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