Understanding the future of coh
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-03-16 14:42 in Suggestions and Ideas
Well, the posting has evolved, certainly. I now see punctuation. Misused, but it's there. I'd call that a step forward.
A game engine is not something that can just be "swapped out." And yes, they could do it. Would you care to do without further updates for the game for the next year plus while they try to do so? And what happens to sales (and otherwise maintained subscriptions) in the meantime?
The best place to start with a new game engine would be COH 2.
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Originally Posted by LIGHTNING HAWKZ
Once more i will attempt to shed light opon my readers
listen thiers games comeing out every year that captures the minds of us gamers, city must move in a direction where this game can truly evolve and thats takeing in serious consideration of the graphics....powers....supergroup involement.......along with a new game engine.... for this growth to happend. Now u say this guy is crazy i say im perfectly sane but maybe misunderstood thiers not much more the devs can put on this engine thier running the game on, its time for upgrade wich in turn will produce growth then that produces evolvement....just my opion "i think thiers a way for them to make a new engine and transfer all of are active game data to that new engine...... example man going to the moon thier were those who did not believe and said it couldn't happend what im saying is anything is possible if u put the time and money and energy behind it.... Thier must come a change to this game in order to insure its life span u must contiue to capture the mind of ur players and with that said its all based of imagination people with small minds think small people with big minds think big and thats the difference between walking on the moon or sitting in ur room getting fat smiles  |
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This is very true, however, the current game would suffer horribly for years as there would be no time and money and energy left for it. Thats not a compromise I would be willing to make. I'll wait for CoH2 to get a new engine and if that never comes, I'm cool with what we have.
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Originally Posted by LIGHTNING HAWKZ
anything is possible if u put the time and money and energy behind it....
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Originally Posted by LIGHTNING HAWKZ
Once more i will attempt to shed light opon my readers
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listen thiers games comeing out every year that captures the minds of us gamers, city must move in a direction where this game can truly evolve and thats takeing in serious consideration of the graphics....powers....supergroup involement.......along with a new game engine.... for this growth to happend. |
Could all those things make me like CoH more? Sure. But that doesn't mean I'm going to concider leaving because I can't get them all right now.
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| thiers not much more the devs can put on this engine thier running the game on |
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| its time for upgrade wich in turn will produce growth then that produces evolvement....just my opion "i think thiers a way for them to make a new engine and transfer all of are active game data to that new engine...... example man going to the moon thier were those who did not believe and said it couldn't happend what im saying is anything is possible if u put the time and money and energy behind it.... |
Also, they JUST started to produce some real endgame content, and I've not seen the servers this busy in such a sustained length of time. New issues pop, the server loads go up for a bit and then drop. Same with 2xp weekends, and reactivation weekends. But from MY point of view, the servers since GR dropped have had, and sustained a higher load than before. So they have produced more growth, and evolution in the game with Going Rogue.
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Thier must come a change to this game in order to insure its life span u must contiue to capture the mind of ur players and with that said its all based of imagination people with small minds think small people with big minds think big and thats the difference between walking on the moon or sitting in ur room getting fat smiles
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City of Heroes/City of Villains/Going Rogue has been around for almost seven years, and as long as I've got any say in it, it'll be around for another seven... granted my say only goes as far as my subscription fees, and my buying of booster packs, but it's still a say I say!
And honestly, I'll keep paying and playing for another seven years on this same engine, with these same graphics.You asked for graphics update... just last year we got Ultra-mode.
You asked for more powers... Going Rogue brought us four new sets.
You ask for more super group involvement... I'm guessing this means base love? Absolutely. Sign me up for this.
You ask for a new engine... that we've already discussed.
It's obvious you care about this game, but you talk about it like it's on it's deathbed and they're already writing up up the toe tag.
Some of the problem I see with doing all this, is people already have a hard time playing the games with OMG AWESOME graphics, that people seem to keep requesting.
When personally, I like the graphic style we have in CoH. Those other Superhero games...meh...feels more comic booky in CoH.
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Originally Posted by LIGHTNING HAWKZ
Once more i will attempt to shed light opon my readers
listen thiers games comeing out every year that captures the minds of us gamers, city must move in a direction where this game can truly evolve and thats takeing in serious consideration of the graphics....powers....supergroup involement.......along with a new game engine.... for this growth to happend. Now u say this guy is crazy i say im perfectly sane but maybe misunderstood thiers not much more the devs can put on this engine thier running the game on, its time for upgrade wich in turn will produce growth then that produces evolvement....just my opion "i think thiers a way for them to make a new engine and transfer all of are active game data to that new engine...... example man going to the moon thier were those who did not believe and said it couldn't happend what im saying is anything is possible if u put the time and money and energy behind it.... Thier must come a change to this game in order to insure its life span u must contiue to capture the mind of ur players and with that said its all based of imagination people with small minds think small people with big minds think big and thats the difference between walking on the moon or sitting in ur room getting fat smiles |
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7 years according to his first wall of text post.
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I'm not going to bother fixing the OP's mess, but I will say this:
People who have any sort of illusions that this game will get a "new engine" need to wake up. You can't take City of Heroes and stuff it into the Unreal 3 engine. You'd need to make the entirety of City of Heroes from scratch in the Unreal 3 engine. You'd need to make a brand new game. And for a game that's taken seven years to get where it is, the prospects of doing so are more than daunting.
I'd like to see better graphics in the game. I'd like to see "a new engine." And while we're on the subject, I'd like a flying cat which dispenses harps.
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Originally Posted by LIGHTNING HAWKZ
what im saying is anything is possible if u put the time and money and energy behind it....
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A lot people also don't seem to realize that the current engine they are using can be upgraded, optimized and made better...pretty much what they have been doing for the past seven years. And besides if you are playing games simply for the graphics you are missing out on a lot.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'm not going to bother fixing the OP's mess, but I will say this:
People who have any sort of illusions that this game will get a "new engine" need to wake up. You can't take City of Heroes and stuff it into the Unreal 3 engine. You'd need to make the entirety of City of Heroes from scratch in the Unreal 3 engine. You'd need to make a brand new game. And for a game that's taken seven years to get where it is, the prospects of doing so are more than daunting. I'd like to see better graphics in the game. I'd like to see "a new engine." And while we're on the subject, I'd like a flying cat which dispenses harps. |
As for a CoH2...what's the point? I wouldn't switch to it unless there was a way to transfer my characters from CoH to it.
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To be fair, there are limitations to that. It's like trying to renovate a new house - no matter how much work you spend on it, eventually the shoddy foundation, lack of supporting walls and tight plot are going to become a problem.|
Originally Posted by CodeJunkie
A lot people also don't seem to realize that the current engine they are using can be upgraded, optimized and made better...pretty much what they have been doing for the past seven years. And besides if you are playing games simply for the graphics you are missing out on a lot.
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The City of Heroes engine was dated even back when the game first launched in 2004, because it was a legacy engine from the original planned 2002 release, or at least one thereabout. It has since had massive performance problems for its inability to handle parallel computing well, historically being unable to make use of more than one processor core, and currently being unable to make use of more than two.
Yes, there is more that can be done to the current engine, but to imagine enough to make it competitive with current-generation Source an UT3 engine games is not reasonable, hence the desire for "a new engine." In fact, the more they "improve" the City of Heroes engine, the more we have a case of a game that looks worse and runs worse than contemporary games, which is actually starting to become annoying, and I have a pretty solid rig.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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The only reason to go to a new engine is because they are going to a new game: Universe of Heroes... or UoX...whatever.
Something that would allow a larger scale than the current CoX--from earth to outer space, vehicles, covering the globe and beyond!! (Where's Buzz Lightyear when you need him?)
Example: you could have areas in all the continents, various environments (deserts, jungles, forests, underwater, the Moon, Mars, the Asteroids, Planet Exxon (or whatever), plus all the alternate dimensions, time travel, etc...
Oh wait isn't that was Heroes Online was supposed to be doing... but sucked.
I'm happy with what they're doing with Praetorian Earth, but I'd like more...
Lots of the early content in the game was really really shallow. The much of the Paragon City content needs a revamp. Comment was from the Dev's that they were going to concentrate on moving forward not on fixing the old stuff...but...
Gee something really needs to be done with Boomtown. Striga is nearly deserted most of the time more needs to be done with it. The PvP zones are mostly desterted there's no real pressing reason to be there... They need more zones for 40's level heroes, Paragrine Island is way too small, and portal missions get boring after a while--it's like doing train missions over and over. There needs to be more going on in Eden and Crey's Folly. Something could be done in the way of underwater adventures with Talos.
In essence there's a lot that could be done with the current engine that hasn't been yet. I'm not unhappy with the current engine, it's ok I can live with the current graphics, I just want more... MORE!? YOU WANT MORE!? Yes Sir, Can I please have some more...
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Dude there's 40+ zones heroside and the games population is spread across 15 servers and three factions. On top of all that the game is heavily instanced, meaning people spend most of their time inside of missions. So, there will always be virtually empty zones. Get used to it.
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Originally Posted by Cptn_Courageous
Gee something really needs to be done with Boomtown. Striga is nearly deserted most of the time more needs to be done with it. The PvP zones are mostly desterted there's no real pressing reason to be there... They need more zones for 40's level heroes, Paragrine Island is way too small, and portal missions get boring after a while--it's like doing train missions over and over. There needs to be more going on in Eden and Crey's Folly. Something could be done in the way of underwater adventures with Talos.
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More comments from the peanut gallery, who again fails to get the point.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Dude there's 40+ zones heroside and the games population is spread across 15 servers and three factions. On top of all that the game is heavily instanced, meaning people spend most of their time inside of missions. So, there will always be virtually empty zones. Get used to it.
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There is no sense in upgrading any zones.I personally felt the whole upgrade to Faultline was a waste of resources.
If you want to do stuff in Boomtown.. grab some friends and go there
I would rather the devs focus on the future of the game rather than try to pretty up the older zones.
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And Striga is just fine the way it is. I enjoy the story arcs out there. Most people don't got out there because there is nothing to do, they don't go out there because they feel that it is out of the way. There are probably just as many that don't.|
Originally Posted by Cptn_Courageous
Gee something really needs to be done with Boomtown. Striga is nearly deserted most of the time more needs to be done with it. The PvP zones are mostly desterted there's no real pressing reason to be there... They need more zones for 40's level heroes, Paragrine Island is way too small, and portal missions get boring after a while--it's like doing train missions over and over. There needs to be more going on in Eden and Crey's Folly. Something could be done in the way of underwater adventures with Talos.
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Please refrain from stating your opinion as fact.
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Originally Posted by Cptn_Courageous
More comments from the peanut gallery, who again fails to get the point.
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Well the point would be that the devs would presumably take what they've learned from this game in terms of power design, balance, mission design etc. and apply it to CoH2 from the ground up as it were thus avoiding some of the issues in the current system (for example the whole Hamidon Enhancement issue) alongside a new engine that allows them them to do things that simply aren't possible here.|
Originally Posted by CodeJunkie
As for a CoH2...what's the point? I wouldn't switch to it unless there was a way to transfer my characters from CoH to it.
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I'll also point out the opposite, allowing people to transfer characters over (as in actual characters instead of just a name reservation system) would mean that making CoH2 would be pointless since it would need to replicate CoH closely enough to use the same characters.
Okay, say they upgrade the game engine and graphics to "ZOMG, THIS LOOKS AWESOME!!!!" levels.
What happens to the people who are playing on older systems that have to turn the graphics settings down from where they are right now?
Do they get told "Okay, thanks for playing, but if you want to KEEP playing you'll have to go out and spend $800 on a new computer that can handle our newly awesome graphics."
Not a good plan, you'd see people jumping ship so fast it's not funny.
A major upgrade to the minimum graphics requirements would alienate a lot of players who don't have (and can't afford to buy) top of the line gaming rigs. And a new game engine WOULD be an upgrade to the minimum requirements.
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I heard from a guy that knows a guy that told him that he has a cousin that knows the OP and he said that the OP told him he was going to buy everyone brand new top of the line computers.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Okay, say they upgrade the game engine and graphics to "ZOMG, THIS LOOKS AWESOME!!!!" levels.
What happens to the people who are playing on older systems that have to turn the graphics settings down from where they are right now? Do they get told "Okay, thanks for playing, but if you want to KEEP playing you'll have to go out and spend $800 on a new computer that can handle our newly awesome graphics." Not a good plan, you'd see people jumping ship so fast it's not funny. A major upgrade to the minimum graphics requirements would alienate a lot of players who don't have (and can't afford to buy) top of the line gaming rigs. And a new game engine WOULD be an upgrade to the minimum requirements. |
Understanding the way Suggestions and Ideas works is your friend.
For instance, behaving like Verucca Salt does not win friends (for your idea) and influence people (for your idea).
All I'm hearing from the OP is 'Daddy, I want an Oompa Loompa NOW!'.
So here's a little task for you: Ask yourself why you were attracted to City of... in the first place, and what keeps you subbing.
My reason for asking those questions is: If you are dissatisfied with the service then make a complaint. This forum is not necessarily a magical place where Developers hang out and go 'Well 2 people have said we should have vehicles, so let's get the whiteboard out and make it happen!'
If you are not dissatisfied with the service, but are voicing your desires within a reasonable framework then 'go you'. Who knows, if we're all here in another 7 years then chances are the majority of people will have bought a new rig by then and it'll be open season for graphical upgrades and fascists riding dinosaurs with frickin' laser beams.
Once more i will attempt to shed light opon my readers
listen thiers games comeing out every year that captures the
minds of us gamers, city must move in a direction where this game
can truly evolve and thats takeing in serious consideration of the graphics....powers....supergroup involement.......along with a new game engine.... for this growth to happend.
Now u say this guy is crazy i say im perfectly sane but maybe misunderstood thiers not much more the devs can put on this engine thier running the game on, its time for upgrade wich in turn will produce growth then that produces evolvement....just my opion "i think thiers a way for them to make a new engine and transfer all of are active game data to that new engine...... example man going to the moon thier were those who did not believe and said it couldn't happend what im saying is anything is possible if u put the time and money and energy behind it....
Thier must come a change to this game in order to insure its life span u must contiue to capture the mind of ur players and with that said its all based of imagination people with small minds think small people with big minds think big and thats the difference between walking on the moon or sitting in ur room getting fat smiles