What to do about Market Blockers?
Easy way to defeat those nasty (lol) market blockers: wait 5 minutes.
Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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post offer 2000 .. wait 10 secs.. cancel offer
post offer 4000 - wait 10 secs - cancel offer
post offer 50000 - ding its mine
When you only have a limited time to play, its worth it for me not to wait 4 minutes until my bid of 2000 is accepted
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@Blue Lava
Have done this many times..
post offer 2000 .. wait 10 secs.. cancel offer post offer 4000 - wait 10 secs - cancel offer post offer 50000 - ding its mine When you only have a limited time to play, its worth it for me not to wait 4 minutes until my bid of 2000 is accepted |
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Have done this many times..
post offer 2000 .. wait 10 secs.. cancel offer post offer 4000 - wait 10 secs - cancel offer post offer 50000 - ding its mine When you only have a limited time to play, its worth it for me not to wait 4 minutes until my bid of 2000 is accepted |
Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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My theory is that some people have gotten the idea to buy every bit a certain piece of salvage that goes on the market, until there's none left, and then turn around and immediately sell it at a higher price.
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Most items have more than one range of list prices. Lower prices are from people who're trying to move product. Higher prices are from people who have nothing better to do with their market slots that hold the high priced items.
At the end of every salvage stack is a lump of salvage that is extremely overpriced. Don't buy those ones. For common salvage especially, you need only wait a short while for some to list theirs for only a few inf.
So, if 10 people each put a clockwork winder on the market over the last 20 minutes, and 10 individual people show up and want to buy those winders, ordinarily they'd pay about 5k. But if a "market blocker" is on at the same time, the blocker will just put a few bulk offers in place, buy all 10 new CW winders, and force the 10 individuals who show up to pay them instead.
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another pro tip: You can always buy an item for whatever that niche's flipper is paying +1inf.It IS accomplishing something--they're clearing out their salvage storage and their market slots while making a bit of inf off of unwanted goods.
If I'm in a hurry, or slotting a bunch at once, I've been known to spend 222k on a 2k item :P Inf is so easy to make, I don't sweat a few extra mil here and there.
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As I said -- "" When you only have a limited time to play, its worth it for me not to wait 4 minutes until my bid of 2000 is accepted ""
So waiting more than 10 seconds or going and running another mission while I wait is not an option I choose to use.. thus why I said what I said LOL
Just cuz I pays lots doesnt mean u haz to
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I've bought stuff just to dick with the last 5 before. Actually its fun.
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I've noticed this whenever I'm on when a lot of other people are on. You'll go to buy basic salvage, and you'll see a whole bunch of it getting bought in a row at some low price and then all of a sudden the price is 200,000 inf.
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The stock of most salvage tends to be heavily banded. You get a chunk of it which is hovering around the market price but this chunk trends to get very fast sell through. If it hits a low ebb (due to a bunch of buyers hitting the market together) the "market price chunk" can potentially sell out. When this happens you are reliant on the reserve stock of the item which for salvage tends to consist of offers people put up at high prices either back during the AE farms (when salvage prices were high) or on lesser used alts for the heck of it (see: Fulmen's 2 billion inf luck charms).
The "solution" for this is either for sellers to price their salvage higher so it doesn't sell out or for a flipper to do ti for them.
I've noticed this whenever I'm on when a lot of other people are on. You'll go to buy basic salvage, and you'll see a whole bunch of it getting bought in a row at some low price and then all of a sudden the price is 200,000 inf.
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Sometimes other people will come in, see the 200k in the history, and assume that's how much the item "costs", and you see a bunch of bids at 200k, 500k, and so on.
Remember: if something sold for 200k, it may or may not have been priced at 200k - but you can be dead certain that someone *offered* 200k for it.
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In addition to what Silver Gale said, there's been multiple times where I've bid SIGNIFICANTLY under the last 5 price on common salvage (as in, bidding 1 inf) and got it instantly filled. Back before the market merger, I used to list my common salvage for just 1 inf (except a couple actually GOOD ones), and they'd go for anywhere from 1 (very rare) to upwards of close to 100k. Some people will just put in a HIGH price to not have to wait (I've done that before... a high price of '10,000' isn't worth worrying over!).
Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Something that I've seen happening (especially with "in demand" items like Luck Charms,) is that the price is consistently fairly high, and there are often hundreds of bids. Someone will show up at the market, and either be in a hurry, or they don't want to pay the transaction fees on a high selling price. And since the last five Luck Charms sold for 50,000 each, they figure it'll be a huge profit, so they sell off a big stack at 5 inf each. And it turns out that the hundreds of standing bids are all for 500 inf each, so that's what the stack sells for. Then someone else shows up, who simply wants to craft a given recipe right now. This person knows that Luck Charms are all over the place, and simply doesn't want to wait. So they throw down a bid for 200,000 because they know that's well over the "buy it now" price and they have the money to spare. Ta-da! No conspiracy needed.
As for you Blue, I'll let this go for now. Do not let anyones forum join date fool you as to how long they have been playing or participating on the forums. as for the rest of what you said, if you have limited play time then placing a bid and actually playing the game then coming back to collect makes perfect sense.
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As I said.. if I have limited game play time and am at the BM to buy and then craft something, why bid then leave then come back to check and see if my salvage was bought. I prefer to just pay a little something extra in order to NOT WAIT. If I want it now, then I want it now.. Not after 2 missions.
My original post was intended to give the OP one reason they may encounter the price differential.
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As I said.. if I have limited game play time and am at the BM to buy and then craft something, why bid then leave then come back to check and see if my salvage was bought. I prefer to just pay a little something extra in order to NOT WAIT. If I want it now, then I want it now.. Not after 2 missions.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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but if you're trying to get more expensive stuff (as in, the 100+ million - 2 billion items), the difference between BUY IT NAO and waiting a day+ is likely to be MASSIVE.
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I've noticed this whenever I'm on when a lot of other people are on. You'll go to buy basic salvage, and you'll see a whole bunch of it getting bought in a row at some low price and then all of a sudden the price is 200,000 inf.
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Sorry, really not trying to be Mr Jerk here, but all I was doing was giving myself as an example to why the OP might see the large difference in salvage prices and now I have people telling me how I should spend my inf on game and my time. Ridiculous !
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@Blue Lava
There has literally never been something I wanted to craft that I needed to craft right then. Now, I'm not saying I won't get impatient and pay far more than I need to in order to have it right when I decided I wanted it. You know what? When I do that, I am encouraging people to do what's described in the OP. (Note that, as other posters have mentioned, sweep-and-relist is not always what's going on here.)
When I'm not being impatient, I post bids when I'm done playing, so that I can bid overnight or whatever, which vastly increases the odds that someone will come in and list at a price I'm more willing to pay at a time no one is outbidding me. Unless I am bidding woefully low compared to what others are bidding, I probably buy what I was after 95% of the time (actual number created from thin air). The point is that the key to saving money on bids is to plan ahead and not try to bid on something the very moment when you want to have it to play with.
The other thing to mention is that 200k for salvage is spit to an awful lot of people. If I don't need a stack of 18 pieces or something, I balk at something like that only on irrational principle, not because I would actually notice spending it.
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100+ Million - 2Billion inf items are not what the OP's OP was in regards to
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There's no reason to get antsy, no one's saying omg you can't do that!!!!, just pointing out alternatives that are applicable to the OP's original question: "What to do about Market Blockers?" - the two good answers being pay it and suck it up, or to place a bid and wait a little bit. Both are fine answers, neither is intrinsically better or worse than the other.
Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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I've noticed this whenever I'm on when a lot of other people are on. You'll go to buy basic salvage, and you'll see a whole bunch of it getting bought in a row at some low price and then all of a sudden the price is 200,000 inf.
My theory is that some people have gotten the idea to buy every bit a certain piece of salvage that goes on the market, until there's none left, and then turn around and immediately sell it at a higher price. So, if 10 people each put a clockwork winder on the market over the last 20 minutes, and 10 individual people show up and want to buy those winders, ordinarily they'd pay about 5k. But if a "market blocker" is on at the same time, the blocker will just put a few bulk offers in place, buy all 10 new CW winders, and force the 10 individuals who show up to pay them instead.
So, maybe people are trying to be generous by offering their spare salvage at say 5 inf per item, but it's not accomplishing anything. The "market blockers" just get a better margin when that happens.