Haven't tried Tin Mage yet...
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dave_p,
Posted on: 2011-02-22 08:30 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I am the exact opposite - I haven't done the Apex but did do the Tin Mage.
The team I was on was a ridiculous powerhouse and we took down what was supposed to be the hardest AV - Director 11 in 22 seconds.
After that it was just a steamroller.
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Director 11? hard? Pshh. No harder than a +4 Serafina.
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
I am the exact opposite - I haven't done the Apex but did do the Tin Mage.
The team I was on was a ridiculous powerhouse and we took down what was supposed to be the hardest AV - Director 11 in 22 seconds. After that it was just a steamroller. |
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Director 11 isn't that hard as an AV - the main problem comes from his invisible minions who lay mines, along with his ambushes. :3
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
I am the exact opposite - I haven't done the Apex but did do the Tin Mage.
The team I was on was a ridiculous powerhouse and we took down what was supposed to be the hardest AV - Director 11 in 22 seconds. After that it was just a steamroller. |
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Tin is more relaxed in my experience, but a little longer. It's more for a casual group since there's less instant death stuff. It's harder to master, though.
Apex is short and to the point. Challenging, so it requires people paying attention and doing a good job.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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There is no instant death stuff in Apex either. I wish there was.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
Tin is more relaxed in my experience, but a little longer. It's more for a casual group since there's less instant death stuff. It's harder to master, though.
Apex is short and to the point. Challenging, so it requires people paying attention and doing a good job. |
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This makes no sense to me whatsoever.|
Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
There is no instant death stuff in Apex either. I wish there was.
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However, I am told that it appears "blue" for other people and can be avoided. For me, it has always been invisible. When Apex comes up as the next WTF, I'll give it another go.
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Practically instant. In any case, requiring you to learn tactics and do something other than just stand there and push buttons. Tin is more your standard killing fare, assuming you aren't going for master of.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
There is no instant death stuff in Apex either. I wish there was.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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This is partially why I haven't bothered to try Tin Mage yet. I absolutely hate just sitting around and renewing my attacks over and over until the AV is dead. I can stand it in most TFs but I think I was one of the few that was actually sad with STF was announced. "Wow, five super AVs causing me to just hit the same attacks over and over for 30 minutes?" I'll only ever bother running that whenever it's the WST.|
Originally Posted by Dispari
Practically instant. In any case, requiring you to learn tactics and do something other than just stand there and push buttons. Tin is more your standard killing fare, assuming you aren't going for master of.
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But in apex I actually have fun and I'll probably be starting that one up a couple times a week. I understand that some people prefer the traditional AVs though so I won't be surprised if the Devs stick with releasing one new and exciting and one new but kinda the same whenever they make the new TFs.
As a side note - I know there's a group of people that're sad about the BAF content (I haven't tried it yet but from what I hear it sounds like I'll love it!). I really think though that the other trial which I can't remember right now that they've said will be released around the same time will probably be a lot more traditional. Kinda makes sense that they'd want to get alot of testing on the one that's using new mechanics rather than the one that's using mechanics that they already know for sure work.
-Ice_Storm
Tin Mage feels more like a typical SF with hard bosses.
Apex actually makes you "think" and move a lot which is a pretty good change of pace/style. I enjoy Apex a lot but only when I play my range character.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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The "blue flame" is almost instant especially if you are a squishy. And if you are melee and you don't know that pylon has "auto damage" around it, you'll die pretty soon. Yes, my Bane ran close to it the first time... those Hydras are pretty nasty too.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
There is no instant death stuff in Apex either. I wish there was.
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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the pylons dont have the DoT auras, each hydra tentacle has the DoT aura, so if you standing at a pylon you have to deal with at least 5 DoT auras
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
The "blue flame" is almost instant especially if you are a squishy. And if you are melee and you don't know that pylon has "auto damage" around it, you'll die pretty soon. Yes, my Bane ran close to it the first time... those Hydras are pretty nasty too.
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Tin mage is hard to get the master of for....
army of neu, easy. kitty's got claws, super easy.
Hacker, easy if you know where everything is.
Midnighter dodger what dodges at midnight....SO HARD D:
like for reals.
none of the 8 teams I've done it on can get it, we simply just don't have enough pets.
I swear it needs to be a team of like....3 doms/trollers, 4 MMs, and a tank. ._. oi.
Magisterum- 50+3 Fortunata--Virtue
Lukerion- 33 Emp/Rad Defender--Virtue
Noah Heartily- 34 SS/SD brute- Virtue
Mika Heartily- 50+1 Fire/MM blaster-Virtue
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Actually MM pets getting hit count against the badge.|
Originally Posted by Rintera
Tin mage is hard to get the master of for....
army of neu, easy. kitty's got claws, super easy. Hacker, easy if you know where everything is. Midnighter dodger what dodges at midnight....SO HARD D: like for reals. none of the 8 teams I've done it on can get it, we simply just don't have enough pets. I swear it needs to be a team of like....3 doms/trollers, 4 MMs, and a tank. ._. oi. |
I've done it a couple times. Once our entire team used shivans, HVAS, and another random pet or two, while about half used nukes.
Other time we somehow got it entirely by accident as not a single person got hit by a mine for the entire fight. We did have 4 VEATs though.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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next solution to try.....an all VEAT force with shivans and HVEAS and backup radios 0_0
and a mu pet.
Magisterum- 50+3 Fortunata--Virtue
Lukerion- 33 Emp/Rad Defender--Virtue
Noah Heartily- 34 SS/SD brute- Virtue
Mika Heartily- 50+1 Fire/MM blaster-Virtue
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A strategy I've seen that works very well is to confuse the Hydra tentacles. The Pylons die extremely quickly this way.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
the pylons dont have the DoT auras, each hydra tentacle has the DoT aura, so if you standing at a pylon you have to deal with at least 5 DoT auras
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yup, i regularly do that on my ill troller, their massive DOT aura really helps take out the pylon without risk
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Originally Posted by Demobot
A strategy I've seen that works very well is to confuse the Hydra tentacles. The Pylons die extremely quickly this way.
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I haven't ever done either TF, but this thread has made me want to do both 
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They're both coming on the WST rotation so you'll have ample chances. |
Originally Posted by Supermax
I haven't ever done either TF, but this thread has made me want to do both
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An Offensive Guide to Ice Melee
If most of your team is levelshifted, you can get Midnight Dodger by simply killing Director 11. The minelayers only start spawning about 30 seconds after he comes in.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
If most of your team is levelshifted, you can get Midnight Dodger by simply killing Director 11. The minelayers only start spawning about 30 seconds after he comes in.
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Some of the hardcore Virtue players had me along on an attempt recently. We saddled up with pets and nukes and killed the Director before the minelayer spawned.
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I would kinda recomend trying it before that though. I worry about how they'll do with the WST as I can see a lot of people trying them without first knowing about the parts where you need to pay attention. If you have half a team that doesn't know what to do and refuses to see the chat then it can make you fail |
Originally Posted by dave_p
They're both coming on the WST rotation so you'll have ample chances.
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I know on one of my runs we had a melee heavy team and one troller that REFUSED to stop immobing Battle Maiden in her blue fire. This led to her never coming out to get the beat down by use and we just couldn't get enough DPS rolling to take her down in the breaks we got. I was pretty made cause we requested that they stop immobing several times over the course of 10-15 minutes and either they weren't looking at chat or they just didn't care.
didn't know about confusing the tentacles. I'll be sure to bring that up any time I see someone with confuse. Can one person stack enough or does it need two people?
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Mind or Plant dom will do it in one shot since they only have boss level protection. A mind troller can get most of them fairly quickly alone.
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Originally Posted by Ice_Storm
didn't know about confusing the tentacles. I'll be sure to bring that up any time I see someone with confuse. Can one person stack enough or does it need two people?
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I havent had a chance to do the Apex TF yet, but the Tin Mage one was enjoyable. Except for Bobcat hitting me for 5000+ damage at the end, there.
...But I gotta say that I absolutely love the Apex TF. I just like everything about it: the difficulty, the quickness, 40 reward merits, better mission design, and the epic feel.
It's not even really all that difficult. I'd describe it more as requiring more attention and periodic moving than typical content. Last night I threw together a PUG to do it, pretty much just grabbed whoever said they were game for it and then for the last slot I specifically looked for some -regen just cause they make AV battles easier.
We had 3 newbies to the TF but they were willing to listen and try new things so I gave them the rundown and warned them that they may die a lot at first but the battle is fun enough to make up for it.
Had some trouble with the pylons but we ended up switching from the rush in tactic to gettind in the corner and the ranged guys attack the pylon (we had 4 or 5 with ranged attacks) while me (scrapper) and the tank killed all the hydra that were trying to come kill our precious squishies. Took a bit longer but two team wipes trying to use the standard rush tactics told us we needed to change something.
Took us about 50 minutes total but the new guys all expressed fun at having come along.
I'm hoping that if the devs make us use a different salvage for the Justice slot that some of it gets tied to Apex cause I would love an excuse to run it a bit more often.
-Ice_storm
P.S. Any other melees ever try wailing on Battle maiden while a blaster is using Blizzard? I think I just barely managed to frantically escape the blue flames several times from not being able to see the fog that came first! :P it was really thrilling haha.