Brute fury doesn't work in pvp!

i have a problem with my brute SS/FA, in pvp the fury doesn't go more of the 75%. And doesn't give me the bonus damage!!! i have on my display over 230% of bonus damage but my punch are going up from 85 to 100. I'm full slotted purple and pvp set with incarnate too. I remember when my knockout blow on 100% fury deal over 400 hp of damage on a tanker 5 month ago, and now doesn't go up more than 75% and my knockout blow is to 200 hp of damage. Is a bug or was nerfed?

Isn't Fury's damage bonus affected by Diminishing Returns?

i don't know. but that is ridiculus. how the brute can pvp without is damage. tank has hp, brute has damage, scrap has crit. tank hp cap now is over 3500 hp in pvp, scrap crit is the same and they have the new kinetic melee really strong, and brutes has nothing. doesn't go up over 75% and the damage dealing now is ridiculus! i hope is a bug!

At first glance I'd say you're wrong, but honestly with the way PvP mechanics are so much different than PvE mechanics(thanks devs...), you could be right.

Since you're seeing the damage bonus, I suspect it's not an issue with fury in particular but a PvP mechanic that nerfs external damage bonuses or something of the sort.

in pve is the same, fury max % is 75. and they nerfed the overall damage output of the brute. now tank do more damage than brute, expecially with bruiser!

wut

I haven't tested this, but the OP may be right. Brutes rely on +damage from Fury to augment a very low AT damage modifier. PvP has global diminishing returns on recharge, damage, defense, resistance, etc. If Fury is affected by diminishing returns in PvP just as all other sources of +damage are, then 75% Fury / 150% enhanced damage could essentially be adding very little overall performance.

I haven't tested this, but Brutes could well have less HP and less damage than a Tanker.

6 minutes. My bad. Not near quick enough to say "All the time".

As much as I love Frenzy, 100% fury is still strictly hypothetical. By the time you are out of the Frenzy animation and your first attack starts, it's already lost a tick or two.

Not that it matters, I'm usually popping build-up while that happens, but still is a second or three at max before the decay kicks in too much to ask for in Frenzy?

75% of the fury bar or +150% damage is normal. It can be higher but 1vs1 you will rarely get more. Considering all +damage is under DR and fury gives +damage it is not shocking that you are doing less damage than normal in pvp zones.

Defenders and blasters have the same issue but to a lesser extent on defenders since the bonus is not that high compared to fury.

Ok now doing some testing and I don't think it is fury that is broken. What appears to be happening is a 14% damage reduction after all other bonuses resists are applied. I made a 3rd build on one of my villian brutes on one account and put it up against another hero brute on a different account. I used no enhancements at all so I am just looking at base damage and fury vs the base resistance of the other brute. In this case the S/L resist is 18.8%.

For those of you really bad at math, that means if an attack does 100 base damage, without fury, the end result would be 100-18.8 for a total of 87.2 damage.

I start off with Jab. Listed pvp damage is 80.58 so at 18.8 resist it should do 65.43. Instead it did 56.28.

I only had the level shift applied on the defending brute so I figured that could have been the issue. So I logged into a defender without the level shift. The base resist on that was 28.6% so Jab should have done 57.53. Instead it did 49.49. So I decided to put on my resist toggle on the defender to see what happened. The resist bumped up to 38.24 so the damage should have been 49.77. It was actually 42.80.

Now in each of these cases, the damage done is 14% less than it should be AFTER resists.


Thinking it may just be SS that is causing the issue, I tried Gloom. 86.55 damage -39.17% resist in this case would be damage of 52.65%. Actual damage was.... 14% less at 45.2.

Same thing with every single attack I used including boxing and brawl. So I switched to my defender and used brawl. Now I don't know the exact way DR works on damage but my defender has base damage bonus of 36.5% and base damage for brawl on a defender is 12.8. If there was no DR on +damage it would do 17.47 -the 14.4% resist on the other brute for a final damage of 14.96. It was 12.2. -14% would bring it down to 12.8 so it does appear that the -14% damage is being applied to everyone regardless of level shift after all resists are taken into consideration.


This seems to hurt brutes and to a lesser extent blasters and defenders, whos iherent power provides them with +damage that is already nerfed by DR, only to be resisted even more once the final numbers are calculated.

So once again, pve go with defense, pvp go with resists. Maybe someday defense will have some meaning in PVP.



Edit to add: Starting new thread in PVP forums on this topic since it does not appear to have anything to do with fury and much more to do with PVP.

Typical from what I have seen from pvp changes in this game. Overreaction seems commonplace.

Hey some minor changes are needed to pvp..... Lets revamp the whole thing so we have no way to measure what changes helped and what changes did not help. Hey Defense is useless.... lets make it almost impossible to hit. Hey no one can hit anyone anymore.... lets nerf the hell out of defense to make it slightly better than it used to be before the last change.