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Well there is street level crime that can usually be resolved with punches, kicks, deflecting bullets and her magic lasso.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Er why would Wonder Woman need a lot of money to fight crime? She's a magic powered superheroine with mystical weapons and armor.
Chances are she's going to have some computer geek hacker friend that has access to tech and money, since they always put that kind of character in shows like this, but I don't see why Diana herself would need all those things. |
Then there is corporate crime such as insider trading, or companies exploiting the environment, destroying the environment, illegal employment practices, etc. Such things are perhaps best fought in the boardroom or the courtrooms.
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Just had a bad memory flash of the old live action Captain Marvel/Shazam show where they drove around the country in their mobile home and the Greek gods contacted them by some flashing sphere in the vehicle and Billy would then communicate with them......the cardboard cutouts/FX for the greek gods were just BAD. |
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Depends on if they get the vibe right for it. If they get something around what the folks at Supernatural did for the Hammer of the Gods episode of last season they could be in good shape. But I hope they don't just shove Wonder Woman into a new Greek myth each episode.
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So here's hoping the Greek deities stay out of this.
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Well that's all fine and dandy for a legal show, but this is supposed to be about Wonder Woman. In those cases it's lasso of truth time.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Well there is street level crime that can usually be resolved with punches, kicks, deflecting bullets and her magic lasso.
Then there is corporate crime such as insider trading, or companies exploiting the environment, destroying the environment, illegal employment practices, etc. Such things are perhaps best fought in the boardroom or the courtrooms. |
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Well that's all fine and dandy for a legal show, but this is supposed to be about Wonder Woman. In those cases it's lasso of truth time.
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I have a feeling we'll see a lot of them trying to translate the Greek myths to the modern world. Let's hope they take a note from the way they handled the gods in that previously mentioned Supernatural episode as well as what Rucka did on the title as far as updating the Greek gods for modern times.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Well they actually didn't involve Wonder Woman in a lot of her Greek/Amazon background during the 70s shows with Lynda Carter.
No reason to suspect they'll dwell on that too much in this new show either. |
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I doubt that if Diana is acting on behalf of the gods and she's taking down someone who pissed them off in some way they're going to be worrying a whole lot about our legal process.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
True, getting them to confess via the lasso is all fine and dandy until some Jack Thompson style lawyer states that it was a confession under duress and gets it tossed out.
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I doubt that if Diana is acting on behalf of the gods and she's taking down someone who pissed them off in some way they're going to be worrying a whole lot about our legal process.
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Or they may just say she left the island to fight evil in man's world and leave the greek gods out of it.
I still chuckle at the JLU ep where Hermes came to her with an order from Zeus to return home to stop Faust and restore Hades. "Why should I? I was banished!" Hermes response "Oh you mean beside that whole 'Order from the Gods' thing?"
Hopefully NBC learned something from the Bionic Woman reboot...
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Originally Posted by BackFire
Hopefully NBC learned something from the Bionic Woman reboot...
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I'd put money on the assumption that they will completely ignore Wonder Woman's origins, there will be no secret island of amazons or Greek gods behind her origins. She'll gain her powers (if she even has any) from something her company invented.
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This is not the first time something like this has been tried.
There was a really bad TV movie starring Cathy Lee Crosby where she was a secret agent type with gadgets.
The comics also had her go through a de-powered "Emma Peel" phase with the white outfits.
Both went over about as well as you'd expect.
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I know what how they will tie things in.
She will be a corporate executive for.......wait for it.....
Amazon!
She will refer to her co-workers as Amazonians.
She's got blue eyes... But will she look good with jet black hair?
Honestly, it's Wonder Woman, so when it comes I'll watch it, probably keep watching it even if it's not bad, but given what I've heard so far, I can say I'm holding out high hopes for this being really great, or all that Wonder Woman-y
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Lynda Carter as Hippolyta, or else.
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- She won't be wearing the costume
- She's massively de-powered
- She's going to use high tech gadgets
This isn't Wonder Woman. If they'd come up with some sort of superheroine vigilante show and called it something else I would be interested. They could have made her the Huntress or something, but this isn't Wonder Woman.
All they wanted was to hijack the name. **** them.
I'd hoped DC had learned their lesson after Catwoman, but I guess not.
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Gemini
I'd put money on the assumption that they will completely ignore Wonder Woman's origins, there will be no secret island of amazons or Greek gods behind her origins. She'll gain her powers (if she even has any) from something her company invented.
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Originally Posted by Starjammer
This is not the first time something like this has been tried.
There was a really bad TV movie starring Cathy Lee Crosby where she was a secret agent type with gadgets. The comics also had her go through a de-powered "Emma Peel" phase with the white outfits. Both went over about as well as you'd expect. People who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. |
The reason is that even though geeky people like us might remember the travesty of the Cathy Lee Crosby movie or the period of time when the Wonder Woman comic book went through her "no powers" phase I suspect the general public has no knowledge of these things. Pretty much the only default idea -anyone- has of Wonder Woman comes from Lynda Carter's portrayal of the character.
Now when I say "general public" I also sadly include most Hollywood executive types, including the people involved with this new show. This is where Hollywood's relative ignorance of the source material may actually help the hardcore fans for once. It's quite possible that since the only widely known model for a live action Wonder Woman is Lynda Carter the producers of this new show might not be "aware" that a no-powers version of Wonder Woman even exists as a possibility. They may be so blinded by the "Wonder Woman = Lynda Carter" thing that they may be unwilling to radically alter the character as much as we fear they might.
I still think too many people are assuming too much with the "Wonder Woman as corporate executive" thing and jumping to the simplistic conclusion that means we're going to get "female Batman" out of this. Over the years Woman Woman has had many different "secret identities" in the comics and TV shows and they didn't all lead to the no-superpower/Emma Peel version of the character. Why can't her new alter-ego, in 2011, be an executive in a business setting without changing any of the other magical/mythical fundamentals of the character?
Until we know for sure I'm not assuming anything one way or the other.
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I'll wait to watch the show, or at least see some trailers/pics, before I jump to these conclusions.
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Originally Posted by The_Dude73
- She won't be wearing the costume
- She's massively de-powered - She's going to use high tech gadgets This isn't Wonder Woman. If they'd come up with some sort of superheroine vigilante show and called it something else I would be interested. They could have made her the Huntress or something, but this isn't Wonder Woman. All they wanted was to hijack the name. **** them. I'd hoped DC had learned their lesson after Catwoman, but I guess not. |
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Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
She's got blue eyes... But will she look good with jet black hair?
Honestly, it's Wonder Woman, so when it comes I'll watch it, probably keep watching it even if it's not bad, but given what I've heard so far, I can say I'm holding out high hopes for this being really great, or all that Wonder Woman-y |
But there are a few examples of what she looks like with darker hair:
As I said before I don't think the weak link of this show will be Adrianne or her acting. If there's a problem with this show it'll be the stories and/or general "spin" of how they present the Wonder Woman character.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I remain unconvinced that they are going to go 100% no-superpower/Emma Peel mode with this new show. I accept that it's a possibility, just a fairly unlikely one.
The reason is that even though geeky people like us might remember the travesty of the Cathy Lee Crosby movie or the period of time when the Wonder Woman comic book went through her "no powers" phase I suspect the general public has no knowledge of these things. Pretty much the only default idea -anyone- has of Wonder Woman comes from Lynda Carter's portrayal of the character. Now when I say "general public" I also sadly include most Hollywood executive types, including the people involved with this new show. This is where Hollywood's relative ignorance of the source material may actually help the hardcore fans for once. It's quite possible that since the only widely known model for a live action Wonder Woman is Lynda Carter the producers of this new show might not be "aware" that a no-powers version of Wonder Woman even exists as a possibility. They may be so blinded by the "Wonder Woman = Lynda Carter" thing that they may be unwilling to radically alter the character as much as we fear they might. I still think too many people are assuming too much with the "Wonder Woman as corporate executive" thing and jumping to the simplistic conclusion that means we're going to get "female Batman" out of this. Over the years Woman Woman has had many different "secret identities" in the comics and TV shows and they didn't all lead to the no-superpower/Emma Peel version of the character. Why can't her new alter-ego, in 2011, be an executive in a business setting without changing any of the other magical/mythical fundamentals of the character? Until we know for sure I'm not assuming anything one way or the other. |
What he was really thinking, of course, is that it would make for a great toy line to which he'd get a share of the conception rights.
Don't put your hopes on the common sense or fidelity to concept of entertainment industry executives. They all want to leave their fingerprints on something in the hopes it'll pan out for them. Victory has a thousand fathers and all that.
Just re-watched the commentary version of the Wonder Woman animated flick that came out recently. They say over and over again how every fan has a diff opinion on how WW should be portrayed. It was kinda funny when they rattled off everything people expect her to be to make the point that if they gave the fans what they wanted she'd be boring as heck!!
I can only hope that the TV show producers put as much thought and care into their re-imagining as Timm & crew did.
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Originally Posted by Starjammer
Remember how Jon Peters thought it would be great if Superman didn't fly, lost his powers and had to use an armored suit?
What he was really thinking, of course, is that it would make for a great toy line to which he'd get a share of the conception rights. Don't put your hopes on the common sense or fidelity to concept of entertainment industry executives. They all want to leave their fingerprints on something in the hopes it'll pan out for them. Victory has a thousand fathers and all that. |
Those things may yet come from this. I just think it's sad for people to read a few random words about a show that's probably nearly a year from happening and automatically assume it's going be sucky. *shrugs*
Trust me if this show does end up being sucky I'll be in the vanguard of tearing it a new one left and right. I'm just going to maintain a tone of "hopeful neutrality" about it until I know which way to judge it.
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I should remind you guys that this is a David E. Kelley production. Forget about "fidelity to the character" and get your mindset tuned into the 1960s Batman or, hopefully, the 1960s Avengers. He does comedy shows, so expect camp.
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Hopefully well-placed camp. I mean shows like Supernatural can be silly sometimes but that doesn't stop it from being one of the consistently best shows on TV.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
I should remind you guys that this is a David E. Kelley production. Forget about "fidelity to the character" and get your mindset tuned into the 1960s Batman or, hopefully, the 1960s Avengers. He does comedy shows, so expect camp.
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I'm not saying it will be bad, but it won't be a pure superhero show. More like Ally McBeal Fights Crime.
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No reason to suspect they'll dwell on that too much in this new show either.
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