should I just delete my spine/regen scrapper?

Regen blows... and it can't be made to not so.

I just did the weekly Kahn and I died at least 6+ times on the last boss. Many times I was the only one that died. I would be one shot by his AoE and it didn't seem to matter if Moment of Death (errr Glory ) or dull pain was up or not. Whether or not I was in front or behind or even a few feet away.

What I have found is that regen relies on panic buttons while say shields or invincibility rely on toggles. Toggles are FAR superior to panic buttons. When you are one shot from full health to death you can't even cast a panic where as a toggle would probably have prevented me from being one shot. I'm sure that the developers using a private servers with a ZERO lag testing lab might find it usable but in the real world LAG death is the only thing a non-toggle scrapper will ever experience.

There are several kinds of lag death
0. one shot... lag does't matter.
1. your character is somehow busy servicing another cast like throw spines and you die before that cast ever finishes and your panic never gets fired.
2. your character says the spell is ready but the server says otherwise and you wasted all of that time trying to cast something that's not really ready. It will usually fire right at your moment of death so when you're rezed you have to wait X minutes before you have that worthless panic button again.
3. LAG is so horrible that noting is casting like at the Hami , an RWZ raid or the boomtown part of the Kahn TF in which case you just watch in horror as you can't defend, run, attack or do anything but die.

I found Moment of glory is highly miss-named. There is nothing glorious about it and almost a pointless to have spell because I seem to die whenever it's cast. At best it is barely as powerful as other players toggles without actually being a toggle.

I hate regen and I wish I hadn't bothered placing IOs on that character.

Regen is the red headed stepchild of CoX, it’s the developers number one favorite whipping boy. Back in the day say issue 2/3 regen was king, slotted with just SO’s a regen scrapper use to be used to tank hammy. But with numbers like that it didn’t take long for the developers to nurf it into the ground. My very first 50 was a regen claws scrapper which I haven’t played in over 5 years, but I will never delete her since you never forget your first.

If you don't like it, then yes.

On the other hand, I love my lolRegen characters, and have run Kahn several times over the past few days without much issue.

As a side note, it sounds like your issue is actually more about lag than anything else, to which more than just Regen would suffer from.

Another option is to get into PvP, spines/regen is pretty decent there.

My first character on my account was a BS/Regen. If I had it to do over, if I'd known then what I know now I would have made her kat/wp.

Still, I have taken her on every heroside taskforce, finished every mission in Oroboros, plus a few that aren't there, scored a few kills in Siren's Call (been killed many times in return in Warburg and Recluse's Victory), and in general, she can perform well in a variety of circumstances.

Yes there are enemies that devastate /regen. For a long time I had issues with bosses that have hard-hitting ranged attacks. As BS my top defense is parry but that only gives me melee defense and many ranged bosses could do too much damage too fast. As an example, on one crey mission (destroying the copies of CreyComp OS) I literally walked away from the computer for more than 2 minutes while at the agro cap against minion-level crey tanks (a couple of lieuts, but not more than 2 I think). When I returned I was still at 90% hp and not going down. A bit later I fought two boss-level powertanks and they dropped me in three attacks. Not hits, attacks. Splat, dead, gone. Took me three trips back from the hospital to wear them down.

Regen suffers from what has been described as the invincibility line. Either they can't kill you ever, or they do it really fast. Building some defense in makes a huge difference. If you post your build in the scrapper forum, they can help you at any level of investment. It made a huge difference for mine, I can assure you, that if you like the character at all, you won't regret it.

After my 3rd time dying, I would probably step back twenty feet, make sure I stand behind the AV, and only fire off my ranged attacks like throw spines, impale, my vets, and of course a fireball to the face.

Regenerations strength is that it treats all incoming damage the same. Vector or type does not matter. Layer that with defense, and you will never die.

Really though. If you are not having fun playing the toon, why is this even a question?

If u get S/L softcap, and a modest recharge, /regen is great, i tanked ITF last night with my dark/regen (and she is not level shifted)

Your Scrapper shouldn't be "casting" "spells."

Lag is a problem, I don't dispute, and it's worse for reactive sets like Regen. However, some builds are stronger than others. Perhaps you could export your current build to Mid's (it's easy using the new Titan Sentinel program, no more typing the build in) and post it up in the Scrapper section for advice.

I understand the frustration, but you definitely have options. My lvl50 Spines/Regen is one of my favorite toons, and definitely near the top in survivability. Capping S/L defense was big, sometimes I almost feel dirty using him now. But if inf is an issue, just getting def as high as possible will be helpful. You can get 25-30% s/l resist fairly easily, which helps a lot with one-shots. Get Hasten and Spiritual so that DP is up as much as possible. Recon should be at 95% Rech and Heal as well. MoG is there so you have time to fire off IH when it hits the fan.

Spines sacrifices ST for AoE. I took Fire to give me 3. In return, I accept that other toons will take out AV's faster. I can do dam like a Blaster, only more survivable and mez-free. If your focus is on the lvl50 TF's, then Spines is adequate, not optimal. But Regen can be as survivable as anything out there, scrapper-wise.

>>>Work on getting anything that ups your max hp. I hit the cap with DP, which is perma'd. I haven't died in a very long time.

After reading this thread this morning, I decided to dust off my lvl 36 claws/regen scrapper and run him through a tip mission.

I was running at +1 x2 and I was getting worked over pretty good. I definitely need to sit down and respec him one of these days and build in more defense. I probably need to learn how to play him again too since it's probably been 6-8 months.

You had bad luck, plain and simple, or everyone else on the team had a defense-based build. I have three level 50 Regens that I actively play, and I don't have any such problems.

Anyone who is hit by Reichsman's AoE stun is going to be stunned. It is Mag 100 unresistable stun. It doesn't matter who or what you are, if the RNG hates on you, you will be stunned, period, unless you have someone stacking a heap of Clear Mind (or its equivalent) on you.

If you're not hip-deep in game mechanics (which is forgivable), you may not understand what MoG does, but the notion that you die whenever you use is fairly ludicrous. It is, hands down, the single highest mitigation to non-Psi damage you can get in any power in the game for its brief duration. It is almost inconceivable that you die to anything except possibly Psi damage while it's active.

MoG's duration is quite short, so what you may be experiencing is that you are using it to survive something that would otherwise kill you and then dying as soon as it ends. MoG is often described as "defensive Build-Up". It's not particularly helpful for standing toe-to-toe with something like Reichsman. Few things that aren't well-buffed with +defense can stand up to a critter of his stature, but high spike damage is /Regen's single most glaring vulnerability. If you want to toe-to-to with such a critter, lucks, IOs, teammate buffs or something is key. This isn't really a /Regen-specific problem - it's not much better on something like Fiery Aura, for example.

DM/Regen, slotted for recharge and defense, is the lawnmower of ST melee damage. It, uh, does tend to fall down when you get tagged and forget the alpha strike. But regen is hardly the problem with your character.

Bust out Mids, post your build in the scrapper section, and someone can fix it.

Every scrapper built with only his secondary powers without pool powers and invention sets to aid in survival and having no outside buffs will die repeatedly from this encounter as well. However, every scrapper, given enough money and attention can also be built to tank Reichsman, too.

Regen by itself most certainly feels squishy because you're literly getting hit with all the incoming damage, and then healing after the fact. But you can do things to fix that problem.

Now, all that said... if you're wanting a toon that really shines at the final fight of the Kahn TF. Yeah, you don't have the best toon for that. But that's just 1 fight.

I think I might have been on that run. If you remember scrapper Yay summoning a shivan that got its face beat in, that was me.

A lot of random factors can contribute to survivability, one build can be vastly more survivable than another and now you can add level shift or not to that.

We had an emp who kept fort on me constantly, giving like 30% defense. In addition, every time you died, we all got vengeance. So you stand up, maybe don't get forted, and have whatever defense you have. I don't know what that is, but it might be 0 depending on your powers. Meanwhile I'm floating there blithely with over 100% defense whenever the vengeance was up.

Sometimes you just get hosed, though as you improve your build, this will happen more rarely.

You remember the shivan I summoned. It didn't get any defense buffs and it did nothing but shoot its eyebeams, then walk toward richsman and get knocked back. It did that 3 times then was dead.

You COULD build up a bunch of defense, as others suggest, and that would increase your survivability... but you're a regen! How many times has Wolverine "died," only to pop back up madder than ever that he's gotta sew up a bunch more bullet holes in his costume. Unlike other heroes, the miraculous revival is an integral part of the regen's modus operandi. Revel in it! Be proud! And while the bad guys are standing around, gloating over your inert body, hit the "Revive" button, down a break-free, and grab some revenge!

If you're still fixated on staying on your feet, by all means, a bit of defense is the way to do it. But it's going to be a big speed bump in the road to 100,000,000 damage and your Immortal badge. Just sayin'.

thanks for all of the suggestions of maxing out defense ....

my spine/regen seems more like so-so blaster. maxing out those items just seem to be me trying to make him playable.

I just keep comparing my Katana/will power scrapper to him. There is just no comparison on who is going to survive a fight. The Katana doesn't have any work done on him yet (he's not 50) so If I take the time to max out the Katana/wp scrappers defense and stuff he would be a god compared to the regen. I know he doesn't have the automatic AoE but at least he's alive.

I have both regen and WP at 50, and they're roughly equal in terms of survivability. WP loses some of it's effectiveness in AV fights, so you have a similar issue. Both of them play the game in easy mode once you cap s/l.

As for being a meh blaster, most blasters would kill for your mez protection. I don't know too many blasters who can dissolve a spawn risk free and move on to the next without stopping like spines/regen. AV fights are not the measuring stick for this build, IMO. Do the ITF and I bet you end up with more kills and dam than anyone else on the team.

Personally speaking, I found my spines/regen scrapper the most frustrating character I had leveling up, especially among the "good soloer" classes. It's been a long time since playing him, I just remember hitting Spine Burst, taking a damage spike and just waiting, waiting, waiting to see if I happened to survive long enough to execute a heal. I never did IO him out, of course that would help.

Regen is not a "toggle on and mash buttons until there's nothing left to kill" scrapper secondary. It hasn't been that since Instant Healing was a toggle.

Regen is a secondary that rewards timing and paying attention, and it has a learning curve to it. My Claws/Regen is either a god, or the squishiest scrapper you've ever seen, depending on several factors:

1) Sobriety, I can't play my regen with any kind of a buzz at all, just doesn't work.
2) How recently I've played him. If I haven't logged him in for a couple months, a master run probably isn't a good idea.
3) Just generally how on my game is that particular day.

Being killed by Reichsman isn't just cause for character deletion, in my opinion. Reichsman can kill ANYONE if he gets a few lucky shots in a row in. He hits like a frigging truck, and if he lands his AoE stun first you're not going to have the benefit of any toggle-based resistance (because they suppress when you're mezzed.