Isn't part 2 meant to take place between Hobbit and Fellowship? That would certainly explain people returning.
No, the Hobbit takes place 60 years before the events of Fellowship of the Ring.
As for the news, this is a bad idea..
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Ahh. Not everything in the LotR trilogy was in the books either. Hopefully it won't be needless scenes just for the sake of including them. I don't see why they would be in there though...
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According to theOneRing.net, it seems that Frodo will be playing the role of Kevin Arnold in The Princess Bride. AKA He's in the framework as Frodo reading Bilbo's book.
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According to theOneRing.net, it seems that Frodo will be playing the role of Kevin Arnold in The Princess Bride. AKA He's in the framework as Frodo reading Bilbo's book.
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On further reflection i can see how this might actually help with the movie's adaptation since it would help with transitions between events and shortening the movie by allowing some of the book's scenes to be compressed into a voiceover instead of showing every incident or simply removing events completely.
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According to theOneRing.net, it seems that Frodo will be playing the role of Kevin Arnold in The Princess Bride. AKA He's in the framework as Frodo reading Bilbo's book.
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From what I heard Frodo starts reading Bilbo's account (the big red book) to someone, I assume a group of children from the Shire and the movie then shifts to the story. I don't mind this tack as it informs movie goers who aren't in the know that the Hobbit comes before Lord of the Rings, while showing that they are related.
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When I read this, I immediately thought it would be Frodo reading the story to someone else.
Also, while the source material of The Hobbit will make up probably 80 to 9- percent of the movie version, I have also read they will be pulling in other related Tolkein work to expand the movie.
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When I read this, I immediately thought it would be Frodo reading the story to someone else.
Also, while the source material of The Hobbit will make up probably 80 to 9- percent of the movie version, I have also read they will be pulling in other related Tolkein work to expand the movie. |
This format could even tell the larger mythos of Middle Earth with the Silmarillion's story of creation that explains the races of Middle Earth.
I like it.
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Isn't part 2 meant to take place between Hobbit and Fellowship? That would certainly explain people returning.
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No, the Hobbit takes place 60 years before the events of Fellowship of the Ring.
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Now, I might be wrong on that account, but I know my book chronology.
This is what I get for replying to a post before I've had my caffeine.. I mistook what you wrote. I'd forgotten they plan to split the Hobbit into two parts.
Thinking about it a bit more, having Frodo 'narrate' the beginning of the films might be kind of neat. If that is in fact what they plan to do.
Originally, wasn't Gimli going to make an appearance as well, but the actor who played him in the Trilogy declined to return? or was that just rumor/hearsay?
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Originally, wasn't Gimli going to make an appearance as well, but the actor who played him in the Trilogy declined to return? or was that just rumor/hearsay?
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Hmmmm, I could even see Elijah Wood as working on the story some, as that is what Bilbo had him do. Works for me, and would actually help set a different tone to The Hobbit, which makes sense... it is more lighthearted, if set in the same world.
Orlando Bloom would have to be a cameo in the background or something while the dwarves are captured... anything else would be odd and trip things up, I would think.
Still kind of waiting and seeing about the two part thing. Seems pointless and not so good, but we'll see how it goes.
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At one point, from my understanding, the plan was to tell The Hobbit in one movie, then build a bridging story to connect the events of The Hobbit to the events of LotR. However, I believe it has since changed (from what I've read, at least) to simply splitting The Hobbit into two movies, rather than try to tell it all in a single movie. They've also stated that some of the events mentioned in the book (specifically, Gandalf attending a meeting of the White Council) may be actually shown, rather than simply stated. To that end, they've confirmed Cate Blanchett will return as Galadriel (a member of the White Council). If they ARE going to show that meeting, I hope they get Christopher Lee to return as well, since Saruman was also a member of the White Council.|
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Likewise, since they spend multiple scenes interacting with Legolas' father, in his home, it would be reasonable to have a cameo by Orlando Bloom, in those scenes (as well as in combat alongside is father at the Battle of Five Armies).
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Yes, poor old John Rhys-Davies....I own the Extended Editions of the original trilogy of movies and the behind the scenes documentaries showed how he was just purely unlucky and suffered damage to his face, with his skin reacting to the makeup. It was bad enough to remove layers of skin from the affected areas, making him look blotchy and odd. Rhys-Davies was known then not to go out as often as the rest of the cast for dinners and the like, and there's even a bit after filming wrapped where he burned the offending facial prosthetic. |
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I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I wouldn't be surprised, he had a horrific reaction to the make-up they had him wear that made his experience on the films rather miserable. |
He is on the record as saying he would never ever endure that experience again. Now, it's possible they'd be able to find an application for the prosthetics that wouldn't damage his face, but I don't blame the poor man in the slightest for his decision.
Just a note regarding Sir Christopher Lee's involvement in The Hobbit...the producers and Jackson are on record as saying that in deference to Sir Christopher's age and concern over his health over such long distances to travel, they are more than happy to take production to England to accomodate him.
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Well make up and CGI are always advancing. Perhaps they have something now that won't rip up Rhys-Davies skin or they can use CGI instead. But I don't blame him at all for refusing to endure that again.
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Yes, poor old John Rhys-Davies....I own the Extended Editions of the original trilogy of movies and the behind the scenes documentaries showed how he was just purely unlucky and suffered damage to his face, with his skin reacting to the makeup. It was bad enough to remove layers of skin from the affected areas, making him look blotchy and odd. Rhys-Davies was known then not to go out as often as the rest of the cast for dinners and the like, and there's even a bit after filming wrapped where he burned the offending facial prosthetic.
He is on the record as saying he would never ever endure that experience again. Now, it's possible they'd be able to find an application for the prosthetics that wouldn't damage his face, but I don't blame the poor man in the slightest for his decision. Just a note regarding Sir Christopher Lee's involvement in The Hobbit...the producers and Jackson are on record as saying that in deference to Sir Christopher's age and concern over his health over such long distances to travel, they are more than happy to take production to England to accomodate him. S. |
It's good that they didn't cast him as Bilbo, but I really don't see the point of having him at all. The story can function without being told from the perspective of Frodo reading the book.
There has been more development on The Hobbit.
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official word (courtesy of Deadline) that Andy Serkis has signed on for The Hobbit should make fans very pleased. More actors are expected to sign on for the two-part Peter Jackson film in the near future, including Ian McKellen, Christopher Lee and Ian Holm as Gandalf, Saruman and an older Bilbo Baggins, respectively |
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73120
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I'm playing wait and see with this one. That's what I did with the LoTR movies, and that worked out for the most part, so hopefully it'll happen again, heh.
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The cast is starting to really get interesting...from part of the official press release.
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73120| The actors join the previously announced cast including Martin Freeman (TV’s “Sherlock,” “Breaking and Entering”) as Bilbo Baggins, Cate Blanchett (“Lord of The Rings” trilogy, “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button”). Ken Stott (“Charlie Wilson’s War”, TV’s “Rebus”), Sylvester McCoy (TV’s “Doctor Who”), Mikael Persbrandt (“Everlasting Moments”, “Day and Night”). Ryan Gage (“Outlaw”, TV’s “Doctors”). Richard Armitage (upcoming “Captain America: The First Avenger”), Aidan Turner (TV’s “Being Human”), Rob Kazinsky (TVs “EastEnders”), Graham McTavish (“Secretariat”), John Callen (TV’s “Power Rangers Jungle Fury”), Stephen Hunter (TV’s “All Saints”), Mark Hadlow (“King Kong”) and Peter Hambleton (TV’s “The Strip”). Additional cast announcements include James Nesbitt (“Millions” and TV’s “Cold Feet”) Jed Brophy (“Lord of The Rings” trilogy, “District 9”), William Kircher (“Out of the Blue”) and newcomer Adam Brown. |
BTW... Ian McKellan IS coming back to play Gandalf. Somehow my post of that info never showed up here.
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The cast is starting to really get interesting...from part of the official press release.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73120 BTW... Ian McKellan IS coming back to play Gandalf. Somehow my post of that info never showed up here. |
The best headline I've seen on this story:
Confirmed: ‘The Hobbit’ Will Give Us Wood
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The cast is starting to really get interesting...from part of the official press release.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73120 BTW... Ian McKellan IS coming back to play Gandalf. Somehow my post of that info never showed up here. |
If anyone is able to see an old Royal Shakespeare Company movie about Shakespeare (back when Mckellan and Patrick Stewart were with it), it's well worth the watch. The director asks McKellan to do a famous line/paragraph from one of the plays in about 4-5 different approaches to the character (all in about a minute), and McKellan nails each one. He is quite good.
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Deadline offered more specific details, indicating that the actors likely to return include Orlando Bloom and Elijah Wood in addition to the more obvious potential casting of Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis (whose characters both play prominent roles in the original story).
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