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You know, if you want to be accurate, you should state that you have achieved the #1 ranking in prestige on Guardian, and not the #1 SG, which is much more subjective. And considering that prestige is what you're basing it on, that seems the best way to describe it.
There are many SGs, including mine, that don't care one way or the other about prestige--especially considering the lower amounts necessary for keeping up a base nowadays. For many of those groups, it's more about being able to do the toughest things in the game consistently and at the highest level. For others, it's being the best PvP group or the best at something else. But to claim #1 status in general without qualifying the statement is in poor taste, not to mention inaccurate.
So congratulations on achieving the #1 SG in regards to earning prestige on Guardian, and I hope you have a great turnout for your event. But there are a lot of ways to define the #1 SG on a server, and prestige is only one. So let's please keep things in context.
The Twilight Avengers, Guild Leader
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Hi Wulfman --
Thanks for coming to the thread and sharing your thoughts with everyone.
The only system for ranking SG/VGs that exists in the game is the Top-100 list.
This is -- of course -- a celebration for becoming the #1 Ranked SG/VG on that list.
Just as our last celebration in 2009, for joining the "Top 10", referred to that list.
And as our celebration before that, in 2008, for joining the "Top 20" referred to it.
No one has ever ever before (I daresay) thought it would (or could) mean anything else.
Every SG considers themselves the "#1 SG" in terms of their circle, and that's fine.
But -- when referring to Ranked SGs -- the Top-100 List is the only arbiter.
I'm looking forward to seeing you and your SG at the event! Be well, take care!
-- Vivian
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Well, yes and no. The only system for ranking SGs or VGs currently in the game is based on how much prestige has been earned. That much is true. But it is NOT the only way of ranking groups--just the only way that is quantified. And considering how little importance is attached to it by a large portion of the SG/VGs out there, and how little they even attempt to accrue it, it's a faulty system, at best.|
Originally Posted by Doctor Vivian
Hi Wulfman --
Thanks for coming to the thread and sharing your thoughts with everyone. The only system for ranking SG/VGs that exists in the game is the Top-100 list. This is -- of course -- a celebration for becoming the #1 Ranked SG/VG on that list. Just as our last celebration in 2009, for joining the "Top 10", referred to that list. And as our celebration before that, in 2008, for joining the "Top 20" referred to it. No one has ever ever before (I daresay) thought it would (or could) mean anything else. Every SG considers themselves the "#1 SG" in terms of their circle, and that's fine. But -- when referring to Ranked SGs -- the Top-100 List is the only arbiter. I'm looking forward to seeing you and your SG at the event! Be well, take care! -- Vivian |
Not trying to rain on the parade, Viv, and I hope you all enjoy your event. If prestige matters to you, then it is, indeed, a significant accomplishment, and you deserve to be congratulated on it and to celebrate it. But claiming to be the #1 SG on any server--without qualification--because of a single factor that many ignore simply because it's the only quantifiable ranking system in place is stretching it to the point of absurdity.
There are groups that claim to be the #1 prestige group on a server. You can make that claim, and you should take pride in it. There are others who have earned the right thru trial by combat to claim the title of best PvP group. And I make no bones about the fact that TA is the best raiding guild in the game, bar none, and defy anyone to prove otherwise. But for me to say that we're #1 without qualifying in what aspect of the game we are #1 is, as I said, inaccurate, and a slap--intentional or otherwise--to other groups who are the best at what they do.
The Twilight Avengers, Guild Leader
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Hi again, Wulfman!
My goodness, who would have thought you'd come again so quickly. Welcome back!
Don't worry -- your opinion (to which you're certainly entitled) doesn't rain on anyone's parade.
I'll explain a little more clearly for you, since I think you didn't understand my last post.
I said the only system that exists in the game for ranking SuperGroups in the Game is the Top-100 list -- to which you agreed, but I think you don't seem to understand.
When we talk about Ranked SGs, or "Top 10", etc., that's what we're talking about. Their Rank on the Top-100 List.
I'm very happy for you if you feel your SG has mastered a given TF or Trial, and claim to be (or even are) the best at it. How awesome for your SG!
But ... that's not what we're talking about. 
I'm also really happy if you feel your SG is great in PvP -- you should compete in the PvP Events we're throwing, win them all, and prove how awesome you are to everyone.
But ... that's not what we're talking about.
We're not trying to say that our SG is better than yours -- which clearly seems to be what you're thinking. My goodness, perish the thought that we would ever put down another SG, however small or large it may be! That's not our style at all. We're very happy for you and your SG to have (and enjoy) all the success that you can earn for yourselves.
However, we are the #1 Ranked SG on Guardian, and it is about reaching this point, after almost six years of effort, that we are celebrating. Just as we celebrated in 2009 reaching the Top 10, and in 2008 for reaching the Top 20.
When you speak about Rank there is only one arbiter -- the Top-100 List. QED.
I hope that is a little clearer?
-- Vivian
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Thanks, but I understood exactly what you meant. Unfortunately, that's not what your flyer says. Your flyer says "Grand Celebration Event of 'EE' becoming the #1 SG on Guardian" when, based on your intended purpose, it should be "...of 'EE' becoming the #1 Ranked SG on Guardian." The two statements are NOT the same.|
Originally Posted by Doctor Vivian
Hi again, Wulfman!
My goodness, who would have thought you'd come again so quickly. Welcome back! Don't worry -- your opinion (to which you're certainly entitled) doesn't rain on anyone's parade. I'll explain a little more clearly for you, since I think you didn't understand my last post. I said the only system that exists in the game for ranking SuperGroups in the Game is the Top-100 list -- to which you agreed, but I think you don't seem to understand. When we talk about Ranked SGs, or "Top 10", etc., that's what we're talking about. Their Rank on the Top-100 List. I'm very happy for you if you feel your SG has mastered a given TF or Trial, and claim to be (or even are) the best at it. How awesome for your SG! But ... that's not what we're talking about. I'm also really happy if you feel your SG is great in PvP -- you should compete in the PvP Events we're throwing, win them all, and prove how awesome you are to everyone. But ... that's not what we're talking about. We're not trying to say that our SG is better than yours -- which clearly seems to be what you're thinking. My goodness, perish the thought that we would ever put down another SG, however small or large it may be! That's not our style at all. We're very happy for you and your SG to have (and enjoy) all the success that you can earn for yourselves. However, we are the #1 Ranked SG on Guardian, and it is about reaching this point, after almost six years of effort, that we are celebrating. Just as we celebrated in 2009 reaching the Top 10, and in 2008 for reaching the Top 20. When you speak about Rank there is only one arbiter -- the Top-100 List. QED. I hope that is a little clearer? -- Vivian |
That may seem like a small, purely semantic difference to you, and for some people, I think it is. Likewise, I think most people know what you meant, even if it wasn't presented in writing the way you say it was intended. But words can convey incredibly powerful ideas and inferences, just as a lack of a word in the wrong place can change the meaning of a statement significantly.
My thinking is that, if you want to convey that you believe yourselves to be the #1 SG, feel free, but it's purely subjective, as you've pointed out yourself, and anyone can claim it. If you want to convey that you are the #1 ranked SG, that is objective and quantifiable, and should be stated as such. If anyone doubts it, they can verify it for themselves. Perhaps this concept would be better directed at whomever creates the next event flyer (if it's not you) for your group to ensure integrity in advertising.
Incidentally, I wasn't suggesting that our SG is the best in PvP. Far from it. But I know some groups, both on live servers and on test, that have earned the right--in combat--to claim the #1 PvP SG title. I was stating that we're the best raiding guild, and that's a fact, whether anyone cares to admit it or not. But both are, as you said, not what you're talking about. And it's not what I was talking about either.
The fact is you have a prefectly legitimate reason to celebrate. Accumulating the prestige necessary to claim the #1 ranking is a difficult feat, and takes dedication and patience for a significant number of people within your organization. The last thing that you or anyone else should want is for that celebration to be lessened because of inaccuracies in advertising or questionable claims.
I hope that is a little clearer for you.
The Twilight Avengers, Guild Leader
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Hello yet again, Wulfman! Welcome back to our happy little Event thread.|
Originally Posted by Wulfman
That may seem like a small, purely semantic difference to you, and for some people, I think it is. Likewise, I think most people know what you meant, even if it wasn't presented in writing the way you say it was intended.
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To try and be clearer still, the only way you can say an SG is #1, #2, #5, Top-10, Top-100, etc., is by referencing their position on the Top-100 List. There is no other interpretation -- that's WHY people naturally think of it that way.
It's not a semantic difference -- it's the only way to look at it. Everything else is subjective, as there is no other ranking system in place in all of CoX.
For example, you could SAY that you're the #1 SG in a given activity, such as running MoSTFs, but as there is no game-based ranking system in place in the game for that activity, it would just be hearsay. Another SG could have done it in half your best time and you would never know about it if they didn't say it, and couldn't prove they didn't if they did say it.
I refer to the only official, game-based ranking system for SGs that exists.
If you want to assume things that aren't implied in that, I can't really be responsible for your decision to do so, but I assure you that your assumptions in this regard have never once been brought up by anyone else -- they are most likely yours alone. I feel that I have amply clarified the issue now three times over, and so I am not really certain why you keep pressing it.
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There is only one ranking system in CoX for SGs and VGs to say they are #1, #2, #5, Top-10, etc. -- the Top-100 List.
And we're at the top of it.
That's not inaccurate -- it's a fact. *shrug* It is what it is.
-- Vivian
Viv,
I only responded initially because your advertisement is inaccurate, as being the #1 SG on a server in all aspects involves more than any group can ever claim. If you refuse to understand or accept that--which clearly seems to be the case at this point--I'm not responsible for your lack of comprehension. We'll just agree to disagree on our interpretation of what really makes a SG/VG #1, and go on with our lives.
Have fun with your event.
The Twilight Avengers, Guild Leader
@Wulf 1 or @Wulf 2
www.twilightavengers.com
Most I say is wow just wow
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Whatever makes you happy, Wulfy.|
Originally Posted by Wulfman
We'll just agree to disagree on our interpretation of what really makes a SG/VG #1, and go on with our lives.
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Have a nice life.
-- Vivian
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I think it's "WoW". |
Originally Posted by Inferno_Fusion
Most I say is wow just wow
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-- Vivian
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-_- I must say you have a BIG head on Your shoulders. And I agree with Wulfman. I mean Yes you are the number one SG for the Most prestige but are you number one with the Guardianites meaning by the players here on the server. Which nine times outta ten a single Super Group isn't friendly or well known for what they do. I mean personally for Example me being loyal to "Dream Team" and still keeping the heart beating. We didn't get along with a group of players in a SG involving PvP disputes in the past but there neither here or there at this point they moved on and so did we. I just truly think you should/could truly recap the meaning of Number #1 Super Group on Guardian I mean The Bane of Pathmenous had it for the longest time I mean have anyone truely seen any of those players that aren't from what I hear money farmers around truly anymore? And that is why they holder of the number 1 spot for so long.|
Originally Posted by Doctor Vivian
I think it's "WoW".
-- Vivian |
But I truly think maybe you should dem down your ego just a bit. I mean you and your SG didn't do it alone. You had friends and other well known SGs help you and team with you along the way. So really think bout it again "The TRUE" meaning of number 1 super group on Guardian. And that is all I'm saying so take it to however you take it.....
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Hi, Inferno. Thanks for chiming in. Actually I have a very small ego! |
Originally Posted by Inferno_Fusion
But I truly think maybe you should dem down your ego just a bit. I mean you and your SG didn't do it alone. You had friends and other well known SGs help you and team with you along the way. So really think bout it again "The TRUE" meaning of number 1 super group on Guardian. And that is all I'm saying so take it to however you take it.....
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But clearly, there's an issue here with people not reading (or understanding) posts.
I'll state it again -- hmm, no -- I've said it three times already.
I'll try it with big letters!
That usually works, right?Rule #1: The Rank of an SG/VG is based on the Top-100 List.
When ANY SG says they are #1, #5, Top-10, etc., it refers to their position on the Top-100 List.
So Celebrating being in the Top-10 means what?
See Rule #1.Celebrating being the #1, 2, 5, etc., SG on any server means what?
See Rule #1.That's what this Celebration is about.
Hopefully that's clearer than the last three times I said it.
No other SG should feel threatened, diminished, maligned, reduced, impugned or otherwise in any way insulted, berated, mocked, etc., by our reaching the top (#1) position on the Top-100 List.
We love everyone, and respect everyone, and give you big fuzzy hugs. Yes. You're all awesome possum.
However, in the same breath, no one should say that we're not at the top of that list. It took us a long time to get there.
It's the only system for Ranking SGs that exists in CoX.
There is NO other way to say you're the #1, 5, 10, 20, etc. SG on any server. That's WHAT people mean.
Like I said before, it is what it is.
-- Vivian
How many active memebers are in earthclan elite anyways?
There's one active member of Crazy 88s on this server! And once I topple the top spot - I don't see them keeping up with me.
I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.
Is all of this really necessary? 
I thought this was supposed to be a happy thread...
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All it takes is another SG with "SG Rank Envy" to come to the boards...
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Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino
Is all of this really necessary?
I thought this was supposed to be a happy thread... |
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Really everyone
instead of trying to bash them for what they say, look at it what they are doing. They are bringing an event to Guardian that everyone can participate in and have fun. So calm down and have some fun that is the point of a game is it not? I think what they are doing is awesome. I like the idea of bringing the server together to have some fun at an event.
To me trying to bring down others over the internet by bashing them is a waste of energy and just plain boring. Why not spend that time and play the game. For example, if you dont like someone saying they are number one at something, do something to prove them wrong. If someone says they are number one for having the most prestige and you dont like it, acquire more prestige then them, like Lohenien is. If that is what you value and is fun, go for it.
To me the number one SG is an SG I enjoy being part of and playing with. Honestly what good does it really do to have more influence, prestige, or even money than someone else if you do nothing with it? Take influence for example, anyone can have billions of influence sitting on their character, but how many can use that influence wisely and build heroes that are capable of taking on insurmountable odds? Do you want to sit on top of piles of money and live in a dumpster? If so what is really the point of having money? Living in a dumpster is free, unless the government has a tax on that now too which would not surprise me these days, so why bother with the effort of obtaining that money in the first place?
Besides, who has the most prestige, influence, purple spotted dinosaurs, or whatever other pointless stuff we want to compare SGs by, will all by a thing of the past when/if they bring back base raids and Items of Power.
Sorry I did not mean for this to be so long, and I hope I did not offend anyone. I am just saying enjoy the fun event and stop trying to bring it down. Hopefully something I said contained some useful information and I did not just ramble and waste time.
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without wavering where all others despair,
even if it means standing alone." - Kragothe Valour
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Unfortunately the thread, and topic pushed some buttons. Nothing much to do about that now. I can only add one constructive thing.
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It's not at all necessary. I probably should have ignored the childish initial post putting down our accomplishments (as I have in the past), but sometimes I give in to the mad impulse to assert myself in the defense of others. I think I maintained a degree of decorum, nonetheless. |
Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino
Is all of this really necessary?
I thought this was supposed to be a happy thread... |
It's going to be a big, fun event, and I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy it, regardless of the fact that others wanting to pooh-pooh our reaching the #1 slot on the Top-100 list as no real achievement.
In the future, I'll just pat them on the head, smile and nod.
-- Vivian
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They didn't complain when we reached the Top-20 in 2008 and had that big celebration... or 2009, for the Top-10. It's really true, getting to the top makes you a target for people who want to try and lift themselves up by putting you down. We'd have had no such complaints, I'm sure, if we'd stayed #2. |
Originally Posted by BlackberryThorn
Unfortunately the thread, and topic pushed some buttons. Nothing much to do about that now.
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-- Vivian
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