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Originally Posted by Tangler
I have a /DA build that is currently hovering at 44.9% def against Energy/Neg. Energy. I can get it just over 45%, but it will require me using an additional enhancement slot that would have otherwise been used to add in a +end proc in stam.
My question is does 44.9% actually roundup to 45% and so I have nothing to worry about, or if not then is that last .1% going to really make enough of a difference? |
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It does not round up; but you are close enough that the trade off from 44.9 to 45 is not worth the exchange
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Originally Posted by Tangler
I have a /DA build that is currently hovering at 44.9% def against Energy/Neg. Energy. I can get it just over 45%, but it will require me using an additional enhancement slot that would have otherwise been used to add in a +end proc in stam.
My question is does 44.9% actually roundup to 45% and so I have nothing to worry about, or if not then is that last .1% going to really make enough of a difference? |
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With 44.9% Def you'll be taking 5.1% of incoming damage instead of 5% when at 45% Def. The difference is 5.1%/5% = 1.02 which means you'll be taking 2% more damage at 44.9% Def. I can't really imagine you ever noticing the difference, so it isn't really worth the enhancement slot.
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Post the build, I'd be very surprised if the posters in this forum are not able to both get you to full softcap while keeping that slot in Stamina for the Proc.
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Originally Posted by Tangler
Wow, such fast and helpful responses, thanks all.
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OMG .1% ?????!!!!!!
Dude seriously... go have fun playing... dont worry so much that you arent at the magical 45% number.
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This, PLUS it's from a damage type that represents about 16% of incoming damage blue side (based on a study by Besserwisser). So in total, picking up that last little bit would add about a third of one percent to your survivability. So no, not really worth worrying about if you're happy with the build otherwise.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
With 44.9% Def you'll be taking 5.1% of incoming damage instead of 5% when at 45% Def. The difference is 5.1%/5% = 1.02 which means you'll be taking 2% more damage at 44.9% Def. I can't really imagine you ever noticing the difference, so it isn't really worth the enhancement slot.
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Does this analysis also include damage positions? Like, what is the percent breakdown between Melee, AOE, Ranged and vectorless (like some of the psi attacks)? I ask because sometimes I suspect I spend too much effort chasing down AOE def when, though it may be common (I'm sure it's in the realm of 33% of attacks) but the damage tends to be lower than the ST attacks from Melee, Range.
| This, PLUS it's from a damage type that represents about 16% of incoming damage blue side (based on a study by Besserwisser). |
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No, unfortunately it doesn't, only damage types. I personally use 70% melee, 20% ranged and 10% AoE for overall damage for melee characters, but those numbers are completely made up. They'll also vary a bit based on your build - whether you spend some time moving around to line up cone attacks, for instance, or if you have a taunt aura that will help keep them glued to you instead of plinking from range.|
Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
Does this analysis also include damage positions? Like, what is the percent breakdown between Melee, AOE, Ranged and vectorless (like some of the psi attacks)? I ask because sometimes I suspect I spend too much effort chasing down AOE def when, though it may be common (I'm sure it's in the realm of 33% of attacks) but the damage tends to be lower than the ST attacks from Melee, Range.
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Similarly, the type percentages will vary significantly based on what you're facing, but hopefully that goes without saying.
Here's the table:
41.78% Lethal
27.90% Smashing
12.12% Energy
5.33% Fire
4.60% Toxic
4.33% Negative
2.04% Psionic
1.90% Cold
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That's actual applied type, right? Like if the attack hits you, that's the type(s) of damage it's likely to apply to you? I ask because, while it's not that common, some attacks have attack type flags (for defense purposes) that don't match up 100% with their applied damage types. My canonical example is Fire Ball, which deals Fire and Smashing damage, but is attack typed only AoE and Fire.
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
That's actual applied type, right? Like if the attack hits you, that's the type(s) of damage it's likely to apply to you? I ask because, while it's not that common, some attacks have attack type flags (for defense purposes) that don't match up 100% with their applied damage types. My canonical example is Fire Ball, which deals Fire and Smashing damage, but is attack typed only AoE and Fire.
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In your example, splitting into fire and smashing is useful when considering resistance, but keeping all the damage under fire is useful when considering defense. But defense gets problematic, because aren't some attacks flagged under two different types for defensive purposes, and you get to use the better defense? I'm not thinking of a very good way to account for that in a simple table. And the damage you actually take just seems like the more commonsense interpretation of the numbers, even if I can't say whether it's the right or wrong interpretation.
Either way, my survivability spreadsheet handles it incorrectly, because it assumes that attacks are always of one type only, and are flagged with that type. I figure it's a good enough approximation though, and probably the least of the spreadsheet's issues.
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That's correct. I do believe, for example, that the attacks in Energy Blast are all flagged Smashing and Energy, which means you get to use good L/S defense against them. About all you could do in a simple table of frequency is just take stock of attacks' damage type flags instead of actual damage dealt. The tables would probably look very similar.|
Originally Posted by Werner
In your example, splitting into fire and smashing is useful when considering resistance, but keeping all the damage under fire is useful when considering defense. But defense gets problematic, because aren't some attacks flagged under two different types for defensive purposes, and you get to use the better defense? I'm not thinking of a very good way to account for that in a simple table.
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
For me it has to be 45%, but I'm just OCD like that. I like my numbers.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
For me it has to be 45%, but I'm just OCD like that. I like my numbers.
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Originally Posted by JLane
OCD sucks sometimes...I really struggle IOing characters because I'm unhappy unless all enhancements within a given power are the same level! For example, at level 30, I turned off XP to try to farm up some Thundergod's sets for my archery blaster. After all was said and done, I now have 3 attacks 6 slotted with the set.
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Originally Posted by Tangler
I have a /DA build that is currently hovering at 44.9% def against Energy/Neg. Energy. I can get it just over 45%, but it will require me using an additional enhancement slot that would have otherwise been used to add in a +end proc in stam.
My question is does 44.9% actually roundup to 45% and so I have nothing to worry about, or if not then is that last .1% going to really make enough of a difference? |
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Really, why not just use A merits? You can get them at all levels and when you get them to get the recipe you want, you can choose what level you want them at.
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Originally Posted by JLane
OCD sucks sometimes...I really struggle IOing characters because I'm unhappy unless all enhancements within a given power are the same level! For example, at level 30, I turned off XP to try to farm up some Thundergod's sets for my archery blaster. After all was said and done, I now have 3 attacks 6 slotted with the set.
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Originally Posted by JLane
OCD sucks sometimes...I really struggle IOing characters because I'm unhappy unless all enhancements within a given power are the same level! For example, at level 30, I turned off XP to try to farm up some Thundergod's sets for my archery blaster. After all was said and done, I now have 3 attacks 6 slotted with the set.
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Originally Posted by Hejtmane
That is what AE farming is for; farm tickets and role bronze roles I was able to get most of my recipes that where going for 30-40 million a pop and I manage another 300 million to help buy one of the purples I wanted selling the recipes I did not want all in about 6 hours of play. I had a lot of solid roles so I do not always make that much that fast just got a lot of lucky roles
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Or rolls?
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You will never notice that .1% below softcap that you are sitting at. You could watch the combat logs all day and probably never see a time where that .1% was the difference between being it and not being hit. Hell, even sitting at 43% you will almost never notice any difference between that and being at 45%. |
Originally Posted by Tangler
My question is does 44.9% actually roundup to 45% and so I have nothing to worry about, or if not then is that last .1% going to really make enough of a difference? |
If that slot could be better used elsewhere, I would do so, 44.9% is so close to being softcapped it might as well be.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
You will never notice that .1% below softcap that you are sitting at. You could watch the combat logs all day and probably never see a time where that .1% was the difference between being it and not being hit. Hell, even sitting at 43% you will almost never notice any difference between that and being at 45%.
If that slot could be better used elsewhere, I would do so, 44.9% is so close to being softcapped it might as well be. |
I agree.
I still think the OP should post the build, I'm fully confident that the slot in Stamina can be kept, while also achieving full 45% defense.
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I have a /DA build that is currently hovering at 44.9% def against Energy/Neg. Energy. I can get it just over 45%, but it will require me using an additional enhancement slot that would have otherwise been used to add in a +end proc in stam.
My question is does 44.9% actually roundup to 45% and so I have nothing to worry about, or if not then is that last .1% going to really make enough of a difference?
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