Been there, done that 
My current record currently is 3 or 4 AVs simultaneously (no insps, no temps) on my Kat/Inv. This was two years back, so I'm not sure on the specifics. Would have to dig up some old screenshots to see if it was 3 or 4. I'm sure with my new build (incarnate slot, inherent fitness) I could do 4.
Also soloed most of the Praetorian AVs on my FM/SR.
Haven't tried with my DB/Elec, but she's built around Power Sink so sustainability might be an issue, and I think fodder might be dangerous for the green bar.
- @DSorrow - alts on Union and Freedom mostly -
Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
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After doing two or three I stopped because it's so boring once you have the stats down to do it. My attention span isn't high enough to pound on something that long. I probably need a higher DPS build to keep me happy.
Moonlighter
50s include MA/SD, MA/SR, DP/Elec, Claw/Inv, Kat/Dark, Kat/Fire, Spine/Regen, Dark/SD
First Arc: Tequila Sunrise, #168563
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Nemesis you say? Yeah, that bubble can be annoying, can't it?|
Originally Posted by Flux_Vector
Oh back before ED, my claws/invuln scrapper soloed Nemesis Rex in a mission... sort of.
I got him down to the point where he PFFs, at that point he regenned up enough that by the time it dropped and I got him back down in hp... it had recharged. So I was recruiting for a -regen debuffer or extra DPS via team search (we didn't even have global channels back then!) while standing there continuing to pound on him to keep him from regenning to full, since I was able to keep fighting him indefinitely. After 4 or 5 PFF cycles I finally got a couple people, they showed up, and we finished him off. |
Sergei vs. Nemesis: 6 hours in 5 minutes
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Yeah, it's been going on since basically the beginning, with varying degrees of success given all the changes to AV regen and whatnot somewhere in the middle there. Probably the first major shot fired in the never-ending Tanker-versus-Scrapper debate was a video posted by TheConfessor just after Issue 1 (IIRC) that showed him soloing Marauder on a perma-Unstoppable Scrapper.|
Originally Posted by Werner
Ah, true. I believe it was being done before ED, then was rare after, and yes, you're famous. Even with inspirations, soloing all those task forces had to be frickin' hard.
 I should probably say "without temps or inspirations". Probably was done before ED, and then I'm guessing that only I9 made it possible again, but it took a while for the Scrapper community as a whole to realize it? |
I remember personally soloing Dominatrix on an MA Scrapper in like Issue 1 (maybe 2, a little foggy). Took like 50 minutes because of her Smash resistance.
In any case, as fun as it is to set up a character to be as self-sufficient as possible -- and Scrappers/Brutes are probably the most well-suited to that particular standard -- if you want a specialized AV soloer, then you're better off with a buff/debuff build (like Cold/Sonic on a Defender, or Cold or Rad paired with Illusion on a Controller) than you are with a Scrapper. Some AVs are just impossible to solo for Scrappers.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Nice build
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Interesting thought. Mine is actually built to tank, and mostly for fun. I have cranked about 200% global recharge onto him to bring up my fun powers fast, Soul Drain, Dark Consumption, Dull Pain, and Dark obliteration. The build is lotsa fun to run, and I can tank just about any uplevel AV (even did Posi and BAB for almost 3 min to pull them off a team-without Unstoppable) I think he is the best thing since Thanksgiving dinner. But I have been told he is written so badly he cannot damage low level CoT mages. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, and like I said, wow, tons of fun.
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Originally Posted by TheBruteSquad
Simple. Use the Architect and set the minimum mission level to 52 and max to 52. Voila, instant +2 AV.
Blue: My sm/wp brute has only been able to successfully solo one AV... Manticore. Other than the teleporting arrow attack (auto hit, about 1000 damage) it wasn't so bad. My endurance bar was my true enemy. My attacks have 88% end reduction, I have two perf shifters, and a 4.0 recovery. That's enough to solo a Rikti Pylon no problem, but an AV makes me want to use ALL my toggles instead of just the three needed to shrug off a pylon. Big difference between .7 end/sec consumption and 1.25 (mostly darkest night and weave). Your dark/inv should be able to handle a few himself. edit: Beaten to the AE punch |
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Dark Melee/Invulnerability? Awesome, awesome combo in its element - surrounded by smashing/lethal enemies. And not too shabby even when it strays out of its element. With that sort of global recharge, you should be able to put out very good DPS with Smite -> Midnight Grasp -> Smite -> Siphon Life.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Interesting thought. Mine is actually built to tank, and mostly for fun. I have cranked about 200% global recharge onto him to bring up my fun powers fast, Soul Drain, Dark Consumption, Dull Pain, and Dark obliteration. The build is lotsa fun to run, and I can tank just about any uplevel AV (even did Posi and BAB for almost 3 min to pull them off a team-without Unstoppable) I think he is the best thing since Thanksgiving dinner. But I have been told he is written so badly he cannot damage low level CoT mages. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, and like I said, wow, tons of fun.
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Look, Blue, I don't have anything personal against you, but you're misrepresenting the whole flap over your build a couple of weeks ago. It's a functional build; no one said that you couldn't kill a grey lietenant with it. The issues were that:|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Interesting thought. Mine is actually built to tank, and mostly for fun. I have cranked about 200% global recharge onto him to bring up my fun powers fast, Soul Drain, Dark Consumption, Dull Pain, and Dark obliteration. The build is lotsa fun to run, and I can tank just about any uplevel AV (even did Posi and BAB for almost 3 min to pull them off a team-without Unstoppable) I think he is the best thing since Thanksgiving dinner. But I have been told he is written so badly he cannot damage low level CoT mages. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, and like I said, wow, tons of fun.
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- You went out of your way to cram expensive recharge bonuses into the build, even to the build's detriment -- and then you whined that the build was too expensive and that therefore the Market is unfair.
- When it became clear that you weren't interested in listening to arguments about the Market's fairness or unfairness, several people offered to help you with your build, to make it perform better at lower cost -- because, generally, the extreme high-end of IOs don't provide the bulk of the performance increase; the yellow/orange IOs do that.
- Then you posted your build on the Brute forum and it turned out that you were hell-bent on slotting +recharge bonuses but you wouldn't take Hasten. On top of that, some of your slotting choices were not just extravagant; they were self-defeating. Panacea in Siphon Life. Gravitational Anchor in Midnight Grasp.
Again, yours is a functional build, but it could be better and it could be cheaper. As Werner says (as I said to you in the Tanker forum), DM/INV happens to be a very tanky power-set combination, but it requires that you use Siphon Life regularly (not as a situational burst heal, as you were intent to do), and you really need some amount of +DEF to make the build shine. It doesn't have to be soft-capped to all attack types with one foe in range, but if you could get soft-capped at least to S/L you'd be a lot better off. A few seconds here or there on Dull Pain and Soul Drain isn't going to make or break you at the level of recharge you have.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Nice build
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Originally Posted by Obitus
Look, Blue, I don't have anything personal against you, but you're misrepresenting the whole flap over your build a couple of weeks ago.
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Obitus, if you follow me from forum post to forum post griefing me I will report you. Last warning.
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First, I had posted in this thread before the issue even came up. Second, you brought it up:|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Obitus, if you follow me from forum post to forum post griefing me I will report you. Last warning.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Interesting thought. Mine is actually built to tank, and mostly for fun. I have cranked about 200% global recharge onto him to bring up my fun powers fast, Soul Drain, Dark Consumption, Dull Pain, and Dark obliteration. The build is lotsa fun to run, and I can tank just about any uplevel AV (even did Posi and BAB for almost 3 min to pull them off a team-without Unstoppable) I think he is the best thing since Thanksgiving dinner. But I have been told he is written so badly he cannot damage low level CoT mages. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, and like I said, wow, tons of fun.
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Also, if you truly believed I were griefing you, you could simply put me on ignore. But that's not what bothers you, is it? It bothers you that I'm allowed to voice my disagreement at all. Look at the post above yours. Where is the griefing?
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Nice build
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Scrappers ARE Boss Killers!|
Originally Posted by Obitus
Probably the first major shot fired in the never-ending Tanker-versus-Scrapper debate was a video posted by TheConfessor just after Issue 1 (IIRC) that showed him soloing Marauder on a perma-Unstoppable Scrapper.
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Classic thread.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Obitus, if you follow me from forum post to forum post griefing me I will report you. Last warning.
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Giving people "last warning" over such thin threats rings extraordinarily childish, IMO. "Look out, I'll totally put this paper cup on your head!"
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
RE: B_C
I even went as far as to rebuild his DM/invuln with more DPS in mind, keeping to the same insane goal of high recharge, and he still turned it down. All it basically did was increase his damage (which of course makes things die faster, thus increasing his survivability) while also focusing on some +def to help out the +def from invuln and the -tohit from DM..
And he still turned it down. So, while DM/invuln is pretty tanky, and can dish out enough damage to make most tankers blush, B_C's never will.
I am extremely happy with my Dark/Invul Brute build. Please stop telling me to change it.
Again, please do not post any more comments on my Dark/Invul brute build. They are unnecessary, unneeded, and unwanted. The more you post advice on an item I am not asking for help on the more obvious it is that you are argumentative and trolling for agro.
Again, to clarify. I am extremely happy with my Dark/Invul Brute build. Please stop telling me to change it. If I ever mention that I am interested in another Brute, or archtype, or power set, please do not take that as a request for my Dark/Invul Brute build. If i ask why something costs so much on the market, please do not take this as a request for help on my Dark/Invul Brute build. If I ask why there are so many NPCs standing around the Black market, please do not take this as a request for assistance with my Dark/Invul Brute build. if i ask if anyone can solo a real AV, please do not take this as a request for assistance with my Dark/Invulnerabilty Brute build.
And PS, this is not a request for assistance with my Dark/Invul brute build.
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You brought it up, Holmes
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I am extremely happy with my Dark/Invul Brute build. Please stop telling me to change it.
Again, please do not post any more comments on my Dark/Invul brute build. They are unnecessary, unneeded, and unwanted. The more you post advice on an item I am not asking for help on the more obvious it is that you are argumentative and trolling for agro. Again, to clarify. I am extremely happy with my Dark/Invul Brute build. Please stop telling me to change it. If I ever mention that I am interested in another Brute, or archtype, or power set, please do not take that as a request for my Dark/Invul Brute build. If i ask why something costs so much on the market, please do not take this as a request for help on my Dark/Invul Brute build. If I ask why there are so many NPCs standing around the Black market, please do not take this as a request for assistance with my Dark/Invul Brute build. if i ask if anyone can solo a real AV, please do not take this as a request for assistance with my Dark/Invulnerabilty Brute build. And PS, this is not a request for assistance with my Dark/Invul brute build. |
I have a MA/SR Scrapper that can now solo AV's without inspirations provided the AV doesn't have maxed smashing resistance. Before I slotted my Cardiac Alpha that would never have been a possibility on my build just because it was so end heavy, but now I can pound away at an enemy non-stop. The important aspects (as far as I can tell) to soloing an AV are...
1) Softcapped defenses
2) A heal of some form to make up for the times when softcapped defenses fail.
3) Enough endurance modification to fight non-stop.
4) A good attack chain.
Once you have this everything else is easy.
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Sorry to hear you're having trouble with your Dark/Invuln build. Perhaps you should post a thread asking for assistance with it in the Brute forum.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I am extremely happy with my Dark/Invul Brute build. Please stop telling me to change it.
Again, please do not post any more comments on my Dark/Invul brute build. They are unnecessary, unneeded, and unwanted. The more you post advice on an item I am not asking for help on the more obvious it is that you are argumentative and trolling for agro. Again, to clarify. I am extremely happy with my Dark/Invul Brute build. Please stop telling me to change it. If I ever mention that I am interested in another Brute, or archtype, or power set, please do not take that as a request for my Dark/Invul Brute build. If i ask why something costs so much on the market, please do not take this as a request for help on my Dark/Invul Brute build. If I ask why there are so many NPCs standing around the Black market, please do not take this as a request for assistance with my Dark/Invul Brute build. if i ask if anyone can solo a real AV, please do not take this as a request for assistance with my Dark/Invulnerabilty Brute build. And PS, this is not a request for assistance with my Dark/Invul brute build. |
I had spaghetti three times last week.
What? I thought the thread had already been derailed. No?
Bringing this up because I feel this is relevant regarding an earlier point discussed in this topic : soloing of higher level AVs.
I just soloed a +2 AV on my Fire/Stone brute (you can see the video in the above link, and check the drama around it if you want to 
). While I used insps, the build isn't fully IOed out yet and has already 41.5% psi def or so ; with Maneuvers fully slotted and the +3def PVP IO I wouldn't have had any reason to use a single luck. The chain I used was Scorch Cremate Scorch Incinerate, which isn't bad but certainly won't break any DPS record, without calculating I'd estimate I have about 170-180 DPS with that. That fight took about fifteen minutes, and as you can see I wasn't in any risk of dying.
Now, as we all know different AVs have different strengths and weaknesses, and being softcapped against positional psi makes Malaise's damage trivial. Still, I was surprised to see how fast and smooth it went - only one attempt, instant success, with a partially IOed out build. It doesn't seem out of reach to take on a specific level 53 or even level 54 AV for some of the strongest DPS builds out there, seeing as numbers above the 200 range seem to come from nearly every scrapper combo thanks to the Alpha Slot and inherent Fitness.
I defeated a level 52 AV with the normal rules with my DM/SR, with use of fodder for Soul Drain. It's so tedious, I haven't tried it with any other toons
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I suppose it shouldn't surprise me, but it still surprises me when people have no idea Scrappers and Brutes can solo AVs, much less solo them without temps and inspirations. How to do it has been common forum knowledge for so long, and so many people have by now. I know people new to the forums may not have ever encountered it, but people who've been around a while... well, I guess it's just a matter of what forums and what threads you read.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
I just soloed a +2 AV on my Fire/Stone brute
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Still, at least the person that was most aggressive about not believing had only joined the forums last month, so it's less surprising in that case that he wouldn't know, and would honestly think it completely impossible, and that anyone claiming to have done it was a giant liar (which he made quite clear). On the other hand, he says he had 12 billion to bet, so he can't be a complete newb (unless he's a really good marketeer), so I feel less bad about you taking that easy money (not that soloing a 52 AV is easy, but still).
I'll probably give uplevel AVs a shot as I start getting my alpha slot builds figured out, but I'm pretty slow at that sort of thing, so I expect results after 50 other people have already done the same thing.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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I'm in the same boat with you, Werner. It shouldn't surprise me that people don't know AV soloing is possible at all, but it still does.
Shame about the loudmouth who claimed us liars for being able to solo uplevel AVs. I don't actually think he or she will ever pay Nihilii the 12 billion they agreed on. Well, it's one way to make a name for yourself whether you choose to pay it or not.
- @DSorrow - alts on Union and Freedom mostly -
Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
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I started this post, and I am a 42 month Vet. I have learned much from all of you, and i am quite grateful. I run Brutes mostly, and most of my 50s are SS brutes. I've heard some say those are not the best for AV soloing, others say they work. But I think the main thing is the type of content I run on my 50s. Mostly I run the LGTF, LRSF, ITF, etc. You know, the easy joint TF that both sides can hop on. Maybe the Honoree could be solo'd (from what i have read), but of course the team is dialed into it at that point in the mish, no wipes there, so it has never been a possibility.|
Originally Posted by Werner
I suppose it shouldn't surprise me, but it still surprises me when people have no idea Scrappers and Brutes can solo AVs, much less solo them without temps and inspirations. How to do it has been common forum knowledge for so long, and so many people have by now. I know people new to the forums may not have ever encountered it, but people who've been around a while... well, I guess it's just a matter of what forums and what threads you read.
Still, at least the person that was most aggressive about not believing had only joined the forums last month, so it's less surprising in that case that he wouldn't know, and would honestly think it completely impossible, and that anyone claiming to have done it was a giant liar (which he made quite clear). On the other hand, he says he had 12 billion to bet, so he can't be a complete newb (unless he's a really good marketeer), so I feel less bad about you taking that easy money (not that soloing a 52 AV is easy, but still). I'll probably give uplevel AVs a shot as I start getting my alpha slot builds figured out, but I'm pretty slow at that sort of thing, so I expect results after 50 other people have already done the same thing. |
i was a little skeptical when I wrote this, but that is why I asked. thank you all so much for your responses. Makes me want to softcap a SS/Will Brute or a Dark/Will Scrap and get out there and do damage.
PS, i dont think that guy had the cash.
I've not looked at Super Strength on Brutes, but just for proof of concept purposes, some time ago I put together a Invulnerability/Super Strength TANKER build with as much DPS as I had on Sergei (Dark Melee/Super Reflexes Scrapper) back when I was soloing AVs in I12, or I13, or whatever. Before the Dark Melee buffs. So I'd be pretty confident that a Super Strength Brute COULD put out the required DPS. But due to my lack of familiarity with Brutes, I'm not sure how specialized a build it would take, or if you could do it with a nice generalist build without major compromises. The Tanker build in question was certainly badly compromised and would not have made a very good tank. Also not sure how badly the Rage crash plays out when AV soloing since the build relied on double-stacked Rage, and thus lots of Rage crashing. Without Rage, hmmmm.... yeah, I just don't know.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
Sorry to hear you're having trouble with your Dark/Invuln build. Perhaps you should post a thread asking for assistance with it in the Brute forum.
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Blue Battler I think your Dark/invul is quite famous now...even I now know you have one
Lisa.
So don't wait for heroes, do it yourself
You've got the power
winners are losers
who got up and gave it just one more try
***Dennis DeYoung
Oh back before ED, my claws/invuln scrapper soloed Nemesis Rex in a mission... sort of.
I got him down to the point where he PFFs, at that point he regenned up enough that by the time it dropped and I got him back down in hp... it had recharged. So I was recruiting for a -regen debuffer or extra DPS via team search (we didn't even have global channels back then!) while standing there continuing to pound on him to keep him from regenning to full, since I was able to keep fighting him indefinitely. After 4 or 5 PFF cycles I finally got a couple people, they showed up, and we finished him off.
"Experience is the mother of good judgement. Bad judgement is the father of experience."