Respec'ing Powersets. New Life into Old Toons.
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DarkGob,
Posted on: 2010-12-06 08:37 in Suggestions and Ideas
Why do people think that adding the "one time" qualifier makes this any more of a desirable suggestion?
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Because some people are against this as a feature because it could be abused?. Because it could lead to laziness in trying and playing another AT up to level 50?.
Thats why i said 'one-time-account purchase'. Are you saying you would like to use such a feature or have no interest in the suggestion?. 
As in, once, forever, on a given account? That's pretty bad too, to be perfectly honest.
And it still doesn't really address one of the core issues with powerset respecs - I could play a powerset combo that excels at the low levels, then upgrade to one that dominates in the late game.
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I agree with your latter comment, but;
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Why is a one time change bad?, Ok then lets change it from one-time account to one-time toon change and limited to that slot.| As in, once, forever, on a given account? That's pretty bad too, to be perfectly honest. |
I'd play my refeshed concept scrapper far more. Unfortunately when i made him back in 2005 there was no willpower, there was no kinetic melee.
Not going to happen. Period. It's one of the things the devs have come out as dead set against.
And, frankly, I agree with them. Just like every other time this gets posted.
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So why not just delete the old one and make a new version of him?|
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
I'd play my refeshed concept scrapper far more. Unfortunately when i made him back in 2005 there was no willpower, there was no kinetic melee.
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If you really think you'd enjoy playing him again with new powersets, then why not do so?
It's not like levelling is nearly the old grind it used to be.
Heck, I've deleted and rebuilt several of my characters 4 or 5 times over.
OK, you lose your badges on that character, but really that's about it.....
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Yes, Personally its purely about the time invested in rolling another toon up to 50 without going the boring farming XP route (which is just not gonna happen).
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I don't think it's bad. Sometimes, I do hope that such respec is available. In fact, your suggestion comes up quite frequently in the forum.|
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Why is a one time change bad?, Ok then lets change it from one-time account to one-time toon change and limited to that slot.
I'd play my refeshed concept scrapper far more. Unfortunately when i made him back in 2005 there was no willpower, there was no kinetic melee. |
Ultimately, it is a decision to be made by the dev on how they want to keep their customers. Their approach is to encourage people to make new characters when new powersets come out. They keep on revamping and adding new low-level content such that people can always see something new whenever they create new characters. Such approach is problematic for players who don't want to go through the painful low levels and only want to play the more powerful high levels regardless of the new content. I believe there are more considerations that go into the decision, rather than just saying no, or it is just bad. But given that CoH has been very story driven from the ground up, I'm not surprised that the dev want us to start new characters from level 1, rather than respec-ing into a new character.
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The devs weren't buying this argument back when it really was a pain in the *** to start a character over from scratch. Today it's easy to get a character to 50 iin a short timespan, and it can be done without any "farming XP". |
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Yes, Personally its purely about the time invested in rolling another toon up to 50 without going the boring farming XP route (which is just not gonna happen).
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Players that choose the "Farming XP" route take it from easy to laughably easy.
So it's even less unlikely that you'll convince the devs to change their minds on this.
I wonder how long it will take for Sharker and Je Saist to show up and brighten our day with their opinions on this subject.
I'm just sick of replying to this idea so..../unsigned.
No Thanks.
It is not difficult to level a toon in this game.
I am not one of the "the journey is the point of the game" people or anything like that. I just think ANY respec which allows players to switch primary or secondary powers is a bad idea for the 279 reasons listed on the other 1,723,456 threads which have brought this subject up.
100% UNSIGNED
You can't and shouldn't let people recycle their 50s into completely different characters. Period.
And this is coming from someone who's determined to re-roll an age-old 50 MA/Inv Scrapper into a SS/Inv Scrapper if and when that becomes available.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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The only reason I'd be in favour of something like this is because rerolling loses the no longer obtainable badges which are toon-specific. And for that issue, it'd be a lot simpler just to make that small number of badges account-wide.
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And there you go why one time is bad. |
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Unfortunately when i made him back in 2005 there was no willpower, there was no kinetic melee.
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New Issue. Hey look! New powerset!!! Respec AT.
Next New Issue rolls along, Hey look! New powerset!!! What's the deal???? I can't Respec AT again??? I know, I will go to the suggestion forums....
Would just be even more people flocking to the FotM's, more 50's running around that can't play their toons well, and being able to do this would make the game champions 2.....how'd that game turn out?
Anyways, bad idea IMO.
I feel for you. I wished I could change my character's ability from rifle to dual pistols when they came out. But the game depends on re-playability, so there is no way in hell this is every going to happen.
Sorry for the flames from the others. I am sure if there are not any now there probably will be.
While I understand that (in my opinion) perhaps this should not be a game feature like it is in the other Superhero MMO (perhaps because of this MMO's team-based archetypal role structure), I find myself wondering; "You know what.... I really would play my Scrapper more if i could do a one-time-respec of his powersets out of MA/SR and into some combination involving Kinetic Melee or willpower!" (which is how I originally conceived the toon).
Please consider adding this as a one-time account paid-for store purchase ability.
Thanks.