So Lionel is back (Smallville)
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Posted on: 2010-12-03 19:19 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Fairly good episode. I liked evil Clark, even if he was only in a tiny chunk of the episode. It'll be interesting to see if they use Lionel in the future or not.
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I love how he switched and found himself in the middle of a battle with Oliver and the others. That was a nice touch.
This episode, while interesting... kinda irked me. It's pretty much filler and shows they're setting Darkseid up for the typical quicky-battle ending. I seriously hope Clark learns to fly soon. Even his evil twin was flying. ><
When I read the description of the episode, I decided to pass.
I figure that, since it's the last season, they probably just wanted to have another episode with Lionel. I can appreciate that, but would have preferred a flashback or something. If I had been involved with this show, I would have had the final season be one long running story, instead of a handful of episodes that progress things, with multiple episodes of filler.
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I happen to pop over to it just then. Clark on the floor with three very scared looking friends aiming green kryptonite tipped arrows/bolts at him in the smoking ruins of the Watchtower shouting "Lois it's me, tell them it's me".
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Originally Posted by Rock_Crag
I love how he switched and found himself in the middle of a battle with Oliver and the others. That was a nice touch.
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How did Lionell get out of the grave? They switch places, not just worlds, so dead Lionell would be in the grave...
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I was thinking the same thing. Although... I supposed it's not unreasonable to assume the casket went with dead Lionell. After all, their cloths went with them. Still, that would leave live Lionell in a hole in the ground, 6-feet-under. |
Originally Posted by Durakken
Earth-3...not Earth-2 show!
How did Lionell get out of the grave? They switch places, not just worlds, so dead Lionell would be in the grave... |
Or, it's possible the device has it's own set of rules for when the other person is dead and it just dropped live Lionell on top of his own grave, or the last location it was set too (watchtower, then).
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I was thinking the exact same thing. It would have been almost poetic to see the show end with Lionel screaming inside a coffin. I suppose the mirror doesn't work the same if the other person is dead. But then, why didn't he show up with Clark at Watchtower?|
Originally Posted by Durakken
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How did Lionell get out of the grave? They switch places, not just worlds, so dead Lionell would be in the grave... |
So last week's shark jump (Tess finding out she's a Luthor), dovetails into a nice little Deus Ex Machina and they just happen to have found an inherited item after Lex died, and no one questions Tess' claim to be a Luthor. I wonder, if they think Lex is dead, why were they still holding onto inheretence for him? Whatever the case, there's plenty of plot holes.
Also, if they switch places when the mirror is used, why didn't Clark-2 appear in front of Tess? I think the way the box works, is that it switches places only if it's convenient for the writers.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
I was thinking the exact same thing. It would have been almost poetic to see the show end with Lionel screaming inside a coffin. I suppose the mirror doesn't work the same if the other person is dead. But then, why didn't he show up with Clark at Watchtower?
So last week's shark jump (Tess finding out she's a Luthor), dovetails into a nice little Deus Ex Machina and they just happen to have found an inherited item after Lex died, and no one questions Tess' claim to be a Luthor. I wonder, if they think Lex is dead, why were they still holding onto inheretence for him? Whatever the case, there's plenty of plot holes. Also, if they switch places when the mirror is used, why didn't Clark-2 appear in front of Tess? I think the way the box works, is that it switches places only if it's convenient for the writers. |
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Would Lionel be in a grave or would he be in a crypt in a mausoleum?
To add to the plot holes, how did three normal humans survive more than a few seconds against a Kryptonian that wanted to kill them? Especially one who's well aware that people who know what he is have ways of taking away his powers. Evil Clark might like to toy with his prey before killing them but would he really let Tess and the others live long enough to pull out the kryptonite?
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Originally Posted by Rylas
I was thinking the exact same thing. It would have been almost poetic to see the show end with Lionel screaming inside a coffin. I suppose the mirror doesn't work the same if the other person is dead. But then, why didn't he show up with Clark at Watchtower?
So last week's shark jump (Tess finding out she's a Luthor), dovetails into a nice little Deus Ex Machina and they just happen to have found an inherited item after Lex died, and no one questions Tess' claim to be a Luthor. I wonder, if they think Lex is dead, why were they still holding onto inheretence for him? Whatever the case, there's plenty of plot holes. Also, if they switch places when the mirror is used, why didn't Clark-2 appear in front of Tess? I think the way the box works, is that it switches places only if it's convenient for the writers. |
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Originally Posted by Wayfarer
Would Lionel be in a grave or would he be in a crypt in a mausoleum?
To add to the plot holes, how did three normal humans survive more than a few seconds against a Kryptonian that wanted to kill them? Especially one who's well aware that people who know what he is have ways of taking away his powers. Evil Clark might like to toy with his prey before killing them but would he really let Tess and the others live long enough to pull out the kryptonite? |
Yeah, how does *that* work? Why does that work? Who would have invented such a thing in the first place and for what purpose? And why is it on earth?
It would have been more reasonable if a wizard did it.
I see this episode as basically setting up Lionel as the evil archnemesis Luthor since they can't get the actor who played Lex back (though they set up the storyline so that they could if he relented). They couldn't bring back the original Lionel since he was always half-repenting.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Those are your questions when there is a device made by the Kryptonians that lets you switch places with your double from another dimension by a twist of a crystal?
Yeah, how does *that* work? Why does that work? Who would have invented such a thing in the first place and for what purpose? And why is it on earth? It would have been more reasonable if a wizard did it. I see this episode as basically setting up Lionel as the evil archnemesis Luthor since they can't get the actor who played Lex back (though they set up the storyline so that they could if he relented). They couldn't bring back the original Lionel since he was always half-repenting. |
As for who would invent such a thing or why, that should be obvious. To see what's on the other side. Having determined the existence of a multiverse, there would be plenty of people who'd want to check the other realities out if only to find the one in which Christina Hendricks is their love slave.
Why is it on Earth? Perhaps Jor-El sent it along on the assumption that if one got made in this reality then one got made in another and consequently Clark might one day need the ability to cross between realities.
Perhaps they brought back Lionel because Lex has made a deal with Darkseid to become king of Australia.
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Originally Posted by wayfarer
as for who would invent such a thing or why, that should be obvious. To see what's on the other side. Having determined the existence of a multiverse, there would be plenty of people who'd want to check the other realities out if only to find the one in which christina hendricks is their love slave.
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On a side note: I don't like how easily accessible the device was. At the very least... they should have show the other device getting destroyed somehow... or our Clark destroying his and showing the other device(s[?]) esplod'n.
Logically this episode was totally retarded, but it was great fun despite that because, you know, I've seen Smallville before and shift my brain into neutral while awaiting Supernatural.
I mean, come on, Lionel is back. Logic be damned, that's awesome, man.
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One thing thats been irking me though...wasn't Tess actually in love/lust with Lex when she came to the show? Or is that like a Star Wars kinda hand-wave?
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Those are your questions when there is a device made by the Kryptonians that lets you switch places with your double from another dimension by a twist of a crystal?
Yeah, how does *that* work? Why does that work? Who would have invented such a thing in the first place and for what purpose? And why is it on earth? |
But yeah, the concept for having a device like that in the first place don't make sense. At all. Even on this show.
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Originally Posted by NiVra
One thing thats been irking me though...wasn't Tess actually in love/lust with Lex when she came to the show? Or is that like a Star Wars kinda hand-wave?
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One, they tried to turn her 'love' into a motherly love with baby-clone-lex.
Two, Alterna-Lionel pretty much said she only loves the power and not the man.
You can just see the writers going "Incest?! What incest?!".
Now there are two Luthors who know about Clark, and they are likely to bond over their hatred for him. Obviously, Lex will have to kill him again ( you heard it here!).
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