Um... "Slot them where they were before?" We're getting inherent fitness - you don't even *need* to respec, if you don't want to. We're not getting, say, Invulnerability changed to Dark Armor.
If you want to make sure you have the slots where they need to be, use Mids (or just write them down) so you have enough in the proper place.
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i think you missed the point there bill, it's not about slots. the idea is remove entire sets without losing millions, while flipping over into an entirely different direction. some will stay approximately where they are, others not so much.|
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Um... "Slot them where they were before?" We're getting inherent fitness - you don't even *need* to respec, if you don't want to. We're not getting, say, Invulnerability changed to Dark Armor.
If you want to make sure you have the slots where they need to be, use Mids (or just write them down) so you have enough in the proper place. |
for instance: powers 1-6 with 6 slots each and 6 sets of 5 or more io's is 30 enhancements. far more than can be carried out from wolfe in a tray of 10. it would suggest 3 respecs if i wanted to not trash millions in influence gathered over a long period.
i can't be the only one with this issue wondering about the best way to make it work without losing multiple banked respecs/vetspecs/bought specs.
perhaps it's time for a review of the respec mechanic as trashing/cashing a s.o. enhancement is a far cry from trashing/cashing a crafted io?
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Spice_weasel, it sounds like you have never gone through a respec before. After you have picked all your powers and put slots in all the powers, you get a screen with ALL your enhancements listed so that you can places them back in the powers you want them in.
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Spice_weasel, it sounds like you have never gone through a respec before. After you have picked all your powers and put slots in all the powers, you get a screen with ALL your enhancements listed so that you can places them back in the powers you want them in.
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1) the take away tray. 10 enh to take away with me from wolfe after having respec'd and completed it in its' entirety.
2) trash/cash at the completion of the respec because there is no more room in the take away tray.
i want to turn the x's below into y's without losing them to the abyss. how am i not being clear on this?
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slot 1 slot 2 slot 3 slot 4 slot 5 slot 6 power 1 x x x x x x power 2 x x x x x x power 3 x x x x x x power etc
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Enhancements are permanent once slotted. We even get a pop up message that says that when we slot them. Furthermore every time someone asks a dev why we can't pull more off of a build during a respec they are told that the devs were being generous when they decided to let us pull 10 off of a respec, and if we want to pull more we need to use more respecs.
Well, the dev stance is "keeping 10 is us being generous."
This issue, though, we're getting two freespecs (announced previously.) So if you don't have a vetspec to use, and have used your current freespec, you'll have to wait for those. If you *do,* pull one set now (as in tonight, given the publish tomorrow,) pull another set of 10 with that, wait a week (think they said it was a week's gap between them) and pull the third. Either that or burn INF on a recipe, or burn vetspecs.
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Enhancements are permanent once slotted. We even get a pop up message that says that when we slot them. Furthermore every time someone asks a dev why we can't pull more off of a build during a respec they are told that the devs were being generous when they decided to let us pull 10 off of a respec, and if we want to pull more we need to use more respecs.
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thanks for your time.
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I used the freespec I already had along with a few Veteran respecs to start my DB/WP's complete overhaul (6-slotted Analyze Weakness in Ablating Strike? WHAT???), so that allowed me to strip everything out. Tomorrow's respec will complete the process.
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Well, 10 was generous (and not even really needed) when we just had SO's, and each enhancement didn't cost all that much. Really the only exception there was HO's, and most of the time you didn't need to pull more than 10 out anyway, because you continued to use the same HO's if you changed your build. IO's changed that when you may want one power with a diffferent set, there is 6 different enhancements than before. And when each IO can easily cost 10 million or more, it could get costly.
Anyway, to answer the OP, multiple respecs is about the only way to go. If you don't have any respecs available, you can buy one off the market, you just have to decide whether it's worth the cost for the recipe. Also, according to the toon, I might not have brawl and other powers slotted, and you can possibly keep a few IO's in those powers until you respec at a later date.
To the OP, what I do is use up my old freespec just before a new issue (the last 2 weeks have been a flurry of respeccing for me), this to take out the 10 most expensive IOs I won't be using in the new build.
I agree with Togo, the notion that "extracting 10 enhancers is generous" is a pre-IO way of thinking. That was probably just enough if you were respeccing with HOs, since they're easily reusable even if you change some of your power selection.
With IOs, you may not only be changing the sets you're using because of your own change of build objectives (say, s/l defense over recharge) but a game mechanism change may require you to overhaul your build almost entirely. Take the PVPers (please! [j/k]) and i13. The rules changed dramatically for them with DR and also PVP IOs have been added. For a PVP build that had to undergo a radical overhaul, no, getting 10 enhancers is not generous at all.
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Well, you probably have a freespec saved. Use that, take 10 IOs out, keep build as it is.
When i19 comes, use the freespec, take another 10 IOs out, keep build similar to what it was before.
When the second freespec is given a week later, take another 10 IOs out, this time, change build to how you want it.
If you needed to take out more than 30 IOs out of a character, then make sure you took out 30 of the most expensive ones, and use A-merits to make some money to rebuy the cheaper IOs. 
If you don't mind real cost, buy respec recipe to pull out another 10 IOs, or use Veteran respec to pull out another 10.
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That last bit is the key point as far as a "respec strategy" goes -- figure out the most expensive and hard-to-get IOs you have that you are NOT going to keep in the build, and remove those first. Leave the easier to get and less expensive ones. That way you can decided if it is worth while to use up another Respec to get the cheaper ones out, or just re-make them (if you need them).|
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Well, you probably have a freespec saved. Use that, take 10 IOs out, keep build as it is.
When i19 comes, use the freespec, take another 10 IOs out, keep build similar to what it was before. When the second freespec is given a week later, take another 10 IOs out, this time, change build to how you want it. If you needed to take out more than 30 IOs out of a character, then make sure you took out 30 of the most expensive ones, and use A-merits to make some money to rebuy the cheaper IOs. If you don't mind real cost, buy respec recipe to pull out another 10 IOs, or use Veteran respec to pull out another 10. |
I suspect that as I-19 hits and a lot of folks will be playing their level 50 characters, we may see a drop in prices for the Purple recipes -- especially the less popular sets like sleep, stun, confuse and Hold.
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Unfortunately if you don't have enough respecs to plan it out (even with the two freebies) it's a matter of:
A. How much will I lose by having to rebuy the IOs or not being able to sell them at WW/BM.
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B. How much will it cost to buy a respec recipe.
Sometimes it's just not worth it to burn the cash buying the respec because the 10 IOs you'll lose won't make up the difference.
It's a bitter pill but unless they reformat the respec one we've all had to swallow.
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Unfortunately if you don't have enough respecs to plan it out (even with the two freebies) it's a matter of:
A. How much will I lose by having to rebuy the IOs or not being able to sell them at WW/BM. vs B. How much will it cost to buy a respec recipe. Sometimes it's just not worth it to burn the cash buying the respec because the 10 IOs you'll lose won't make up the difference. It's a bitter pill but unless they reformat the respec one we've all had to swallow. |
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you know, they also have respec trial in the game to earn more respecs. so its no like theyre stupid expensive
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I agree that the best thing to do is have Mids open or some other way have reminding you what goes where.
As for removing sets, I would slot all the most expensive stuff you are keeping first and keep going down in order of price until you are left with your remainder. If those are SOs or generic IOs, don't worry about them as you will get most of their value back in influence at the end of the respec process.
If after all that you are left with a few sets of Makos that you now want to substitute for Kinetic Combat for the S/L defense the only thing I can think of is to keep the most expensive of the Makos (the quad I guess, I would have to check) and let the rest be converted to influence at the crafting rate. You will lose money, but less than if you just slotted over them.
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hey all,
with i19 staring us down (potentially tomorrow if server maint is any indication) i'm wondering about different strategies for respec'ing people have used to both rebuild, and save as many high value (or pain in the a$$ to get) io's, when engaged in a complete overhaul.
i have a few ideas, but all of my toons have been done in a more piecemeal fashion (slots in the right place, but placeholder io's until slotted appropriately) and i have yet to completely disassemble a high value build and recycle 'everything' since i9. this does suggest something of a hole in respec'ing as it has not changed since... [i2?i3? certainly not after i4].
appreciate all the ideas you may have.
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