W/ taunt it can hold aggro well enough, but there is an autohit nictus during the final fight on the ITF which will drive you nuts. Softcapped is the best course of action when IOing, whats your primary and post your final build. We can be more helpful w/ more info
Any defense based toon will feel squishy until you io it and cap defense. Aid self can help too! My SR brute is capped and he's one of my most survivable toons! 
And he is dual blades, so not much mitigation either! If you are SS or stone, or another good mitigation set, you are even better off! (gonna get phase shift myself, when Fitness becomes inherent.....just in case!)
My SR brute was softcapped by 40 and is nigh unkillable. I don't have aid self but I am DM/SR so Siphon Life keeps me upright. It has a taunt aura but if you intend to hold aggro you are gonna want Taunt proper.
I have a Level 50 SS/SR brute who is at the soft cap for everything and has Elude in the back pocket just in case. I refuse to use Aid Self on anything except a MM.
The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.
If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-
I LOVE my DM/SR but if i remember correctly Recluse in the STF might have decent chunk of +tohit (i could be wrong cuz its been awhile since i ran one) which would mean he could rip right thru /SR though
"I have ridden the mighty moon worm!"
-Al Gore
Fiery Aura is only good for farming, I'm cereal
@Caucasiafro
SR has a taunt aura??
Personally, I don't try tanking with SR, cause if you do take some big hits....yer droppin like a sack of potatos! But that's just me! Invulnerable for tankin for me!
Only Brute/SR/Evasion has a taunt aura. Scrapper/SR/Evasion does not.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Didn't know that! Mine turned 50 recently....aura nice for some attention for fury, but I'd still not prefer to tank with SR...at least not as long as their are better sets to use for it. But that's just me. Not saying they can't tank, just that some other sets would be better. I'll use my dm/Inv (capped to most stuff) for tankin. But knowing now SR has an aura for brutes, I can drop taunt!|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Only Brute/SR/Evasion has a taunt aura. Scrapper/SR/Evasion does not.
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Thanks!
ok heres the build,stamina isnt incorperated due to the inherent with next issue. Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.81
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Level 50 Natural Brute
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword
- (A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
- (3) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
- (5) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (5) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (7) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
- (11) Red Fortune - Endurance
- (17) Red Fortune - Defense
- (17) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
- (19) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
- (19) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (13) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (15) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge
- (15) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
- (7) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
- (9) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
- (9) Red Fortune - Defense
- (11) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
- (13) Red Fortune - Endurance
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Empty
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (21) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (21) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (23) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (23) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (25) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge
- (25) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (45) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (33) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
- (33) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
- (50) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (50) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (50) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (40) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (40) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge
- (40) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Razzle Dazzle - Accuracy/Recharge
- (48) Razzle Dazzle - Endurance/Stun
- (48) Razzle Dazzle - Accuracy/Endurance
- (A) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance
- (27) Impervium Armor - Resistance
- (27) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Recharge
- (29) Impervium Armor - Endurance/Recharge
- (29) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
- (48) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (A) Red Fortune - Defense
- (37) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
- (37) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
- (39) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
- (39) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
- (39) Red Fortune - Endurance
- (A) Eradication - Damage
- (31) Eradication - Accuracy/Recharge
- (31) Eradication - Damage/Recharge
- (31) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (A) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (33) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (34) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (34) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
- (34) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
- (36) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge
- (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (37) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (42) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (45) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
- (45) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (46) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (46) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
- (46) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
Level 4: Ninja Run
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I dont really know what to say
Electric Armour and the Soft cap
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Thundra Knight
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You dont need all that extra def. Thanks to the insane amount of DDR SR gets you will be fine with about 46%.
"I have ridden the mighty moon worm!"
-Al Gore
Fiery Aura is only good for farming, I'm cereal
@Caucasiafro
Ddr?
I dont really know what to say
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Defense Debuff Resistance.
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Originally Posted by untoldhero
Ddr?
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The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.
If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-
You didnt hear this from me but.... Claws/Sr brute is awsome!! (dont tell anyone 
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Good enuf 2 tank those taskforces?
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Originally Posted by Redd Rumm
You didnt hear this from me but.... Claws/Sr brute is awsome!! (dont tell anyone
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I dont really know what to say
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I've been on RSFs were the tanking brute was /SR and he did a very nice job of survivng and handling aggro. Addmitedly, we had a /Cold corr with Frostwork to help things, but still the brute did quite well overall. I've also been on successful MoRSFs with /Shield brute for tank. Not sure how they can handle STF though. The blue tower(I think) gives Recluse a huge chunk of +ToHit (30% I think) which means with 45% defence he actually has a 40% chance to hit you. An Emp with Power Build Up -> Fortitude (or Power Boost -> Fort if it's a 'troller) would clear that gap back up so your defences are up to 70-75% though.
I've been on successful MoSTFs with Ice Tanks, which are also purely defence based (/SR has the sacling resists too, even though that's not gonna help much against Recluse). So I'd venture a guess and say /SR brutes *should* be able to do it as well. Just keep a good Emp around with Fort (as mentioned above), Adrenalin Boost (to counter his End drain to avoid toggle dropping) and the occasional heal if Recluse manages to hit.
I'd heavily recommend having either a Cold with Forstwork for the extra HP (I've seen Black Scorpion one shot Ice Tanks before) and/or a Thermal or Sonic for the Resist buffs to help smooth things out.
But, to answer your question in a short:
I'm pretty sure an /SR brute should be able to tank RSF and STF (even Master Of ones) with a softcapped build if the team wasn't full of retards.
@Sparky Jenkins || Freedom Server | Union Server
Main Hero: Inferno Sparky - Fire/Fire Blaster
Main Villain: Kerry Astrid - Fire/Cold Corruptor
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Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
I've been on RSFs were the tanking brute was /SR and he did a very nice job of survivng and handling aggro. Addmitedly, we had a /Cold corr with Frostwork to help things, but still the brute did quite well overall. I've also been on successful MoRSFs with /Shield brute for tank. Not sure how they can handle STF though. The blue tower(I think) gives Recluse a huge chunk of +ToHit (30% I think) which means with 45% defence he actually has a 40% chance to hit you. An Emp with Power Build Up -> Fortitude (or Power Boost -> Fort if it's a 'troller) would clear that gap back up so your defences are up to 70-75% though.
I've been on successful MoSTFs with Ice Tanks, which are also purely defence based (/SR has the sacling resists too, even though that's not gonna help much against Recluse). So I'd venture a guess and say /SR brutes *should* be able to do it as well. Just keep a good Emp around with Fort (as mentioned above), Adrenalin Boost (to counter his End drain to avoid toggle dropping) and the occasional heal if Recluse manages to hit. I'd heavily recommend having either a Cold with Forstwork for the extra HP (I've seen Black Scorpion one shot Ice Tanks before) and/or a Thermal or Sonic for the Resist buffs to help smooth things out. But, to answer your question in a short: I'm pretty sure an /SR brute should be able to tank RSF and STF (even Master Of ones) with a softcapped build if the team wasn't full of retards. |
I've seen well built Stone and Inv tanks turned to paste, and a Fire/Shield scrapper successfully "tank"/kite (keep LR busy) on a STF with no tank and no other alternate way to keep him off the team (PA, caging etc.). It has as much to do (if not more to do) with the player(s) at the keyboard(s) as it does the sets of the tank involved.
Cap your defenses, cap your ddr, then build for +max health and passive regen. From there smart teammates and play will do the rest.
I have been on ITF's, LGTF's, and RSF's where a granite tank or brute has bit the dust, and only I have survived. It is quite possible. Hell, on speed ITF's I frequently do the nictus shard mission by myself.
Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
My EM/SR brute is 23, but not bad so far. I've only tanked regular missions, but I and an electric dominator took out an AV the other day.
It's definitely not a set for those who dislike risks. The fact that the 3 auto powers scale your defense higher as your health is lower means that you have to think a bit differently than other brute sets, and have to be comfortable working while at a risk, since filling your health = getting hit more often.
Overall, I'm trying not to think of my brutes as tanks, but I will be at higher levels attempting to hold aggro in the SFs just to see if I can.
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That's not how they work. They add resistance that scales up as your health decreases. Their defense values do not change with your health.
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Originally Posted by IronJelly
The fact that the 3 auto powers scale your defense higher as your health is lower means that you have to think a bit differently than other brute sets, and have to be comfortable working while at a risk, since filling your health = getting hit more often.
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Ive already said too much !|
Originally Posted by untoldhero
Good enuf 2 tank those taskforces?
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Yep yep. And i dont think it ever ends up affecting how you act. Its much more "meh, better than not having the scaling res" than something that truly defines the set considering it is a hell of a lot better to have your health full and 0 res than to have 45% res and only 10% of your HP.
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Originally Posted by Emberly
That's not how they work. They add resistance that scales up as your health decreases. Their defense values do not change with your health.
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"I have ridden the mighty moon worm!"
-Al Gore
Fiery Aura is only good for farming, I'm cereal
@Caucasiafro
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Yeah, but you look so much more awesome when you are kicking *** at 10% health!
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Originally Posted by ultrawatt
Yep yep. And i dont think it ever ends up affecting how you act. Its much more "meh, better than not having the scaling res" than something that truly defines the set considering it is a hell of a lot better to have your health full and 0 res than to have 45% res and only 10% of your HP.
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Doh! This is how you know i'm still a noob.|
Originally Posted by Emberly
That's not how they work. They add resistance that scales up as your health decreases. Their defense values do not change with your health.
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now i have to read the descriptions again.
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Hey just made one, love to hear about it maybe in a separate thread, posting a build, interesting notes, anything that might short cut the learning curve. She's a little squishy so far the damage is great.|
Originally Posted by Redd Rumm
You didnt hear this from me but.... Claws/Sr brute is awsome!! (dont tell anyone
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I'll start the thread, love to hear about it.
Can a SR brute hold aggro for the following TF's? ITF, LRSF/STF and LGTF?? Im not sure n how tough a SR brute really can be? so far im up to lvl 40 and still quite squishy... I know SR is a late bloomer but im having doubts about weather its worth spending influence and slotting IO's on him?
Any advide would be appreciated
I dont really know what to say
Electric Armour and the Soft cap
Electric Armour and the 1st 20 levels
Thundra Knight
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