The bigness!

And were fine with that. However as far as player usable costume parts go there isn't much choice. Thats what we want to change. Would we object to haveing even biger stuff? No.

What we want is more options within the "big" range that's in the game now.

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I just wanted to focus on this snippet of your reply, Sam, as I am both in total agreement with it and I think it is important for those (Myself almost included) against seeing things get ridiculously big.
I can't imagine having any problem with some variety in those options that already exist.
That is absolutely something I could agree to... It's not even a compromise, because... Those sized things already exist.
And, honestly, I have thought the same thing about the boots and gloves, at least. When I think... Hmm... I'd love something bulkier/bigger, like the Enforcer boots... but not the Enforcer boots specifically... There's no real option. Yay for the Praetorien Police Boots, for sure.
I would like to see some more of those sized things... For boots, it is really about the tapering out as opposed to tapering in at the ankle. At the least, staying straight and not tapering (Like the Praetorian PD boots).

Anyway... I just think that what I quoted from you is your best bet and the basis of a super reasonable request for some more variety in that field.
And I think the pictures you included in your original post overshadow the simplicity and reasonableness of your expectations/request.

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This I don't think many people have touched on.

We need more fat shields. The stone elemental shield is pretty fat. Now I need something about that size but metal with techy doo-dads or glowie magic symbols/auras or something...but it needs mass >_>

Exactly. The options we have right now for swords, at the very least, are actually LONGER in some cases than even I'd like, but almost without exception all the long options are very thin. Personally, I want to see a sword that looks like it has mass behind it, even just a little. The Legacy Broadsword does a good job on females, because the way it scales up give it very broad and above all very THICK blade, something Rularuu's Bane does not necessarily accomplish for women. Rularuu's Bane itself sort of does that for the Huge model, because it scales up quite a ways, allowing for its otherwise thin flat blade to grow quite a bit of thickness, and the breadth of the blade, as well as the thickness of the grip guard, play well into a feeling of mass. It's still a sharply pointed weapon that tapers almost continuously towards the end, however, and I'd be interested in seeing a more straight-edged blade that only starts to taper in towards the end.

"Fat" is exactly what I had in mind. When it comes to swords, I want broader swords with thicker blades. When it comes to axes, I want larger axes with broader heads and thicker blades. When it comes to maces, I want wider handles, bigger heads and longer shafts.

See, when it comes to swords, they have length enough, even more than enough. LONG broadswords are a dime a dozen, even from the default options, now with the two Chinese swords. But almost all of them are just too thin. Another thing that bothers me is how short the handles on most of these swords are. I know BABs argument back in the day was that they're one-handed weapons and should have a one-handed weapon grip, but you know what? I actually prefer to have weapons which look like they might actually be two-handed, but are wielded with one hand at the moment. Even when they're not two-handed, a longer grip serves to offset the "oddness" of a longer, more massive bade very well, plus they make the sword look even bigger without actually making it functionally bigger, which I'm all about.

When it comes to maces and axes, however, these have very, very little length. Outside of a few special case, most axes and maces only ever reach as high up as the character's shoulder, with the elbow at 90 degrees. I'm not sure why that is, but I would LOVE to see my morning star screwed on the top of a longer shaft and my Roman Axe bolted to the end of a longer axe handle. Not as long as a sword with an axe at the end, obviously, but longer than this. At least getting as high up as the character's eye level when held in combat stance. Right now, the only axes and maces that do that are the Legacy ones on women. Roman axes kind of fit the bill, though their shafts are still as short and the Fantasy Mace and the Tech mace (of all things) are relatively longer, but the Warhammer - the one option you'd THINK would be very big - is actually remarkably short, offering a very small, very shallow swing.

But again - weapons don't need to get much bigger than what we already have, if any bigger at all. We just need more big options, and big options that are less about total reach and more about a feeling of mass.

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Shields are another matter entirely. Almost all of the ones we have are very thin metal and actually rather a small flat size, as well. There are a few that feel massive, true, and I had to make do with the Celtic shield (I don't know what it's called - the one with variable spikes) for my Axe Brute, but even that's just a very small shield. In fact, it's so small that the circle of the shield is about as big as the circular head of her Legacy Battle Axe

Now, I know that larger shields have clipping problems, as BABs lamented back in the day, and that's mostly with shoulder pieces. I guess that would be less pronounced if they move out with bigger gloves (they do that, right?), but I'm more than prepared to simply not pick shoulders which stick out if I choose to carry a bigger shield.

What I mean by "bigger shield" is just thicker metal, more than anything else. I'd love to see a round shield bigger than the Romulus Shield, but even that's not too small, it's just too thin. It's probably realistic that it's thin metal backed up by would, but can't I have my large chunk of iron backed with more iron on the inside and plated with more iron on the outside? In fact, the Vanguard shield is probably about as big as I'd like to use, but that's both unlockable and highly tech, and energy shields just don't have a feeling of mass to them. Give me a metal shield as big as the Vanguard one and I will be overjoyed.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Well, these pictures are what finally inspired me to post this, and Leo is right - the first pic makes the sword look bigger than it is thanks to a wide camera angle. It was the only decent shot of the whole sword that was from a cinematic, however, at least that I could think of. Luckily, Darksiders stores its cinematics as WMV files

But, yes, that's the kind of compromise I'm more than willing to make - I don't necessarily want stuff that's bigger. I just want stuff that's as big as what we have now, just more of it. I already covered weapons before, but think about costume pieces.

When I think "big shoulders," what choices do I have? Well, Medieval or, at a stretch, Valkyrie and... That's about it. All the other shoulders are either CONSIDERABLY smaller or just long and not massive looking. I will freely admit that the Vegeta shoulders are probably the biggest ones we have, but they don't look massive. They just look pointy and decorative, in case you felt like giving Emperor Ming the Merciless a run for his money. Same for gloves. It's Large Robotic or bust. Even Enforcer are too small. And you already mentioned boots.

The problem is that I have a LOT of characters, and a fair few of them benefit from being big. Pretty much as soon as I made Tyler, however, I may as well have stopped trying, because he just about used up every large piece I had access to. Of course, Tyler is an exception (and the guy I'd make as tall as a Fake Nemesis if I could), but I have others who would do well being big, and there really aren't many options left that I could use on them without feeling like I'm making Tyler again, but on a smaller scale. It's always those boots, those gloves, those shoulders, or maybe the one variant that exists here and there.

I don't really need gloves bigger than Large Robotic. Those are ridiculous as it is. But can I please have a medieval texture for them? Or maybe a variant that's a large bio-organic arm, like what Omega almost achieved and ultimately failed to do? We already have two sets of large gloves - Large Robotic and Engorcer, and both of these are tech and robotic. Why not a large leather glove, or a large hand made of rock like what Hellboy had? Why not a giant medieval glove like what War had? There are plenty of things that could be done with this without actually getting any bigger, but by actually just simply being "as big."

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Sorry, what?

You have seen a female model with the chest slider moved to 'wuh-oh', right?
Lousy excuse is lousy.

Anyway, my view;
/Signed. I'm not asking for a change in art style or anything. In fact, I'd be openly against it. The thing is, there is plenty of room for big weapons without a massive departure in style. Hell, I'd settle for a Semi-Auto style pistol the length of the current magnum revolver (the old, low texture one). Just a long barrelled gun. And an Assault rifle that is as long as a Nemesis rifle yet more tech-like, and not like the god-awful franken gun. A sword with a wider blade...y'see where I'm going here.
It's feasible, very much so, without breaking the art style. All it'd need is some design time.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

And an artist that's not actually against it, which (believe it or not) is my primary concern. The one thing I am more afraid of than anything else is that the City of Heroes art team in general is simply against this, and that they view the big legacy pieces as just that - Legacy pieces they are obligated to keep in the game, but which they would not want to make more of.

Believe me, Jay's Enforcer set was amazing at the time, but it was pretty much the last big set we got. Everything else has been small and skintight, pretty much. OK, aside from the PPD boots. But where are the PPD gloves with the large shields? Those are the ones I wanted to use, but I can't...

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

If they were really against big, we wouldn't have gotten the Omega gloves.

Or boots that make your feet WAY to huge (Witchboots, I'm glaring at you!).

I want my buster sword! That's all there is to it!

True, true. That I like. Well, the gloves a little less so, since the hand size is still about the same, but I'm still counting that. The Omega boots, though. MAN! I love those. I need a monstrous concept that can use those. I wish we had something like them for Monstrous legs.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Oh god yes. I will actually kill if it gets me those 'large robotic' scale PPD gloves. They would work wonders for the costume re-working I was doing on the Chief, and let me drop the old 'tech huge' gloves.

If theres any reasoning behind not giving us those, I'd just love to hear it...
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Or the Omega Boots, I mean wow; Those are the kind of bigness I'd expect for more costume pieces to take up, it's slightly bigger than 'Large' but then takes it further with the two claws in the front and the rear claw in the back. More boots in that kind of scale would be great, especially for Huge characters.

If I had to guess, clipping? Probably just with shields, but that seems like it's a bit over the top for just clipping with one defense set.

Aren't the Rikti Swords pretty damn huge?

I though they made shields offset away from the hand with bigger gloves, didn't they? When was the last time you tried this? Maybe the bigger gloves still clip, I haven't done any tests yet.

But this reminds me of something I think Leo suggested a few times, which was a large bulky gauntlet used as a shield customization option. With a shield in (or rather, on) the left hand, the game will not allow you hold anything with it, so a large glove with a an actually large hand (again, like what War has) used as a Shield Defence power might not be out of the question. It would just need to be big enough to fit over most gloves, and I wouldn't mind it clipping with at least the LARGEST of them.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

True, but they are also ugly, untintable, specific and almost impossible to unlock, at least in my experience. And again - we want more other weapons that look kind of like those

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

THAT! THose are the kind of gloves I've wanted since I made my first energy blaster 6 years ago!

Give, give, GIVE!!
I was majorly ticked off when I just fired the thing from a normal rifle. It looks alright on my AR/Ice blaster, because the Redding rifle looks like it could double-time as a mini rail-gun, but even so

And 'clipping' is so much utter, utter [WAHOO!] when there are hundreds of costume bits in game that clip like a mutha-[WHOOPS!] already. Terribad excuse is terribad!

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.