Underwater Adventures

Mmmm...

I remember long ago asking for this, and other players wanting it as well, but after all these years nothing ahs happened.

I remember being teased over the new game engine that would allow for underwater adventures to take place, after all when the new game engine and Cimerora were introduced a teaser cave section has a pool where you could actually swim underwater!

Thus I thought, that was a pre-cursor to what wonderful things were to come!

Well? I am waiting...

I just can't wait to see underwater adventures at Independence Port, Talos, Peregrine Island, and just about all the zones in red side.

At the worst, just have some TF mission entrances underwater...

Hugs

Stormy

Can you imagine taking on Lusca underwater?

This thread sounds eerily familiar...

My thoughts on the subject.

...lolwhut?

What new Engine? We've never had an engine change.

And theres been multiple threads on exactly why underwater would be pretty useless.
Electric powers underwater? Ice powers underwater? Guns? Hello, Fire powers underwater?

So no. Just no.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Or Stone Melee / Earth Armor powers, many of which require contact with the ground. That would be tricky when one is floating in the middle of an ocean.

Let's not even think of how fast a chucked stone would travel underwater if everything were to be done right (not very fast at all).

At this point there's yet another reason why this game getting its own underwater zone would be unlikely.
I can describe that reason with one word: Lemuria.

If you don't know what I'm talking about go ahead and google it with the following phrase: "Lemuria Champions Online".
Once you do you'll realize it'll just look like this game is trying to play "catch-up" to an inferior game.

Eh, it's certainly possible that a game like this could make its own underwater zone and make it 10x better than CO's zone. But I still think it'd be smarter for a new zone in this game to be as "original" as possible. No point in even "hinting" at the idea that we're just playing copy-cat. We already did that once with Ninja Run.

I am curious how SJ would work - you could probably jump up fast, but wouldn't you float down?

I wonder if people who clamour for "a new engine" actually have any practical concept of what that even means. I keep saying this over and over again, that even if we got "a new engine," nothing would change, because the old game would have to be re-exported into the new one. Not only will that not fix anything in and of itself, it will break some things.

Easy example: Play Half-Life, then play Half-Life: Source. Notice the difference? Me neither. Well, OK, let's be fair, there are four:

1. Ragdolls, for what that matters, exist in Source where the original had pre-animated corpses that blew up more often than not (something I still miss).

2. The "Tranquilliser" Crossbow pins people to walls instead of, uh... Tranquillising them, like the Rail Crossbow in Half-Life 2.

3. The floating barrels at the end of On A Rail and the start of Crush Depth have been replaced with the Half-Life 2 blue plastic drums.

4. The cliff face in Surface Tension has some degree of 3D background, where before it was all a 2D painted skybox.

The game's graphics are still as bad as they were in 1998, all the questionable level design is still there, all the low-poly models, all the low-res textures. Everything. There's a reason why Black Mesa: Source was started - because Valve's port of Half-Life to the source engine is, in a word, "***." No-one who isn't Blizzard will ever bother with putting a brand spankin' new engine in an old game, because that just means having to basically make the game over from scratch, and most people use that opportunity to make a sequel, if not a wholly unrelated new game.

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As far as "underwater" environments go, I'd go as far as to support an underwater city, as long as water is on the other side of a glass wall most of the time and no battle takes place actually IN the water. There's far too much potential ugliness that has no point in being solved.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

If you're gonna have underwater zones but not go out into the sea, what's the point of setting the adventure underwater at all? You might as well set it in a grocery store.

Mmm...

I see the large number of folks simply saying "no" because of their perceived mechanical causes; their ample programming experience, and personal relationships with the devs.

So I guess, no underwater adventures forcoming...

Something I do find ironic, is how often I see the posts of people bragging how ubber they are, and how much they wish the could be challenged. Underwater may actually provide such an across the board challenge by having certain powers degraded or perhaps not even working; but I guess those wanting challenge, as long as the challege is limited to spam status effects, its ok.

With regards to BaBs statement, perhaps he does need to be let go. Other games have gone thru such a transition quite effectively and dramatically, such as Dark Age of Camelot, so its not like we are talking about an impossible task, with excessive work to do. You know a little use of Grey Matter could circumvent a lot the issues with regards of being underwater; for instance a magical or device force field which keeps an air bubble about you, would simply eliminate the need to redesign all the costume textures (red bubble at terra volta reactor), a magical aura or a new "quantum" field could allow powers to operate udnerwater...I guess when it comes down to it, if one wants to simply be negative about things, its easy, takes little effort as opposed to being open minded and trying to do new things, and despite that those things may have baggage of their own, if positive minded, one can find practical ways to get around those difficulties.


Stormy

As to the point that Stormfront_NA wants a "zone" to act as an agent to either disable or degrade our powers to provide a challenge. Why do we need another new zone to do that? Can't that be accomplished by simply exemplaring down? Can't that be accomplished by going to any of the non level 50 PvP zones/arenas that already exist?

This aspect of the suggestion to have an underwater zone appears to be a solution in search of a problem...